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American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:24 am

The seat map for American's new Boeing 777-300ER has been loaded into the system. It doesn't look like it's available on the "Our Planes" page yet, but it can be easily accessed by making a mock booking. I found it by searching DFW-GRU flights in early January.


- First Class: 1-2-1 configuration, rows 1-2 (aft of doors 1L/1R). 2 lavs.


- Business Class: 1-2-1 configuration, rows 3-4 mini cabin (forward of doors 2L/2R), rows 5-15 (aft of doors 2L/2R). 3 lavs.


- Main Cabin Extra: 3-3-3 configuration, rows 16-19 (row 16 is exit row, row 19 only has DEH (middle section) seats).


- Economy: 3-4-3 configuration, rows 20-44 (row 31 is exit row; rows 30-32 have only two seats on AC / JL side with galley in-between; rows 41-43 have only two seats on AC / JL side; row 44 has only DEGH seats). 4 lavs.

All in all, doesn't seem like many surprises. Economy is confirmed as 3-4-3, but that was widely speculated a long time ago.

There are some seat map visuals available at http://bitly.com/JHfbtk if you want to actually see the diagram.

[Edited 2012-05-27 19:42:31]

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RE: American's 773 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:31 am

Wow, those exit rows in Y sure are weird.

Overall, looks like a nice set up, save for the 3-4-3, but it's hardly a surprise. Can't wait to try the J.

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RE: American's 773 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:33 am

Interesting. "Main Cabin Extra" is 3-3-3. So you CAN have 3-3-3 seating... if you are willing to cough up.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

     
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 3:38 am

I'm surprise about how small the Main Cabin Extra cabin is. I understand that that they are wider and are taking up space to squeeze additional Y seats, but I would have expected more than 30...the J cabin has almost twice as many seats.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting poLot (Reply 5):
I'm surprise about how small the Main Cabin Extra cabin is. I understand that that they are wider and are taking up space to squeeze additional Y seats, but I would have expected more than 30...the J cabin has almost twice as many seats.

Seems like they are taking the DL vs UA route as far Y+. Not willing to compromise overall seat count in the back. DL's Economy Comfort seating is also nominal compared to UA.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:06 am

Can anyone tell me if MCE will have more recline? Or will it just have more leg space?
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:14 am

I never was very clear on the Y+ layout—will the 3-3-3 configuration simply be the like the current 777 Coach seats with simply extra legroom, or a different design altogether? I'm guessing the former.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

A lot easier than the average American paid more for More Room Throughout Coach.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

Interesting. "Main Cabin Extra" is 3-3-3. So you CAN have 3-3-3 seating... if you are willing to cough up.

Or you can simply select a BA codeshare flight and avoid coughing up. In fact, you'll get more with BA than you could ever get with AA regardless of how much you cough up!

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 6:13 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):

The 77W is getting new seats in Y -- MCE will probably have the same seats with wider armrests and aisles.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 6:13 am

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.

Only spoken by someone who hasn't endured 3-4-3 on a 777 ... It's way worse than 3-3 on any 737

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.

Only spoken by someone who hasn't endured 3-4-3 on a 777 ... It's way worse than 3-3 on any 737

Im not big framed, but that AF 77W JFKCDG was the worst 7 hours I had in any economy class... Backlash is guaranteed

True: I've done it on TAM and it's a real squeeze. With a bit of planning the two seats where the cabin narrows at the rear are more bearable though.

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 10):
Or you can simply select a BA codeshare flight and avoid coughing up. In fact, you'll get more with BA than you could ever get with AA regardless of how much you cough up!

They appear to have thought of that. I've recently booked on AA, and in the process tried every combination to get an BA metal with either an AA or IB codeshare (and lower price!). All BA combinations (bar one via an odd route) were strikingly more expensive; they stood out like sore thums as >$150 more; whilst flight timings and durations were not different it seems it was just the actual airline choice that dictated the rise
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 8:13 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):

I never was very clear on the Y+ layout—will the 3-3-3 configuration simply be the like the current 777 Coach seats with simply extra legroom, or a different design altogether? I'm guessing the former.

From the website, it seems like the seat and the service will be the same as the rest of the main cabin.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/mainCabi...ion=DirectURL&title=maincabinextra

I'm really excited to try AA's new 777! The pictures from the website look really impressive. However, since AA has already taken the plunge and changed the layout with the rest of main cabin from 3-4-3 to 3-3-3, I wish they would align their product with AA and JL. An improved meal service would really differentiate their Main Cabin Extra with UA's and DL's Economy Plus. I would think the investment in the soft product wouldn't be that much.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 8:37 am

I've crossed the pond on a 3-4-3 AF 777 and it wasn't pleasant. With the size of the average American, I foresee problems...
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 9:17 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):
I've crossed the pond on a 3-4-3 AF 777 and it wasn't pleasant. With the size of the average American, I foresee problems...

Yep 11-% agree. I did it on a TG777 many a year ago just from DEL to BKK and vowed.....never again, it was beyond uncomfortable.

IF UA and DL have any sense they will jump on this to promote the room they have through out their Y cabins, not just Y+
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
Yep 11-% agree. I did it on a TG777 many a year ago just from DEL to BKK and vowed.....never again, it was beyond uncomfortable.


What TG 777 was that? I am not aware of any TG 777 that has a 3-4-3 configuration in economy.

However TG has some 777s with 2-3-2 in business class, and those I do avoid.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 10:52 am

Yeah i remember many years ago I flew a TG 777 in J and they had a 2-4-2 config.Those must have been when they got their first few 777s before reconfiguring them.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 12:48 pm

It seems AA will still have F seats that rotate 90 degrees to access the work table, is that right? Kudos for keeping that. It's something I enjoyed on the two occasions I flew AA F on the 777 (PVG-ORD and LAX-NRT). Do any other airlines have something similar? (e.g having a separate table to work on, different than the one used for the meal)

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 18):
What TG 777 was that? I am not aware of any TG 777 that has a 3-4-3 configuration in economy.

When TG first got them, we are talking way back now, end of the 90's maybe, I cannot recal the actual year but UA was flying the 763 on the round the world route at the time but I could not make that flight so had to go to HKG via BKK. Horrible flights, although I love the TG744
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 1:26 pm

Finally AA reveals the seat map. What took so long for a US airline to get a 77W ? Way too long.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 1:37 pm

Funny, just went through a pile of unread emails and one of them contained the presentation of AA's new 77W interior. Was disappointed to see the 3-4-3 economy set up, came to airliners.net and the first thing I see is this thread. Nice.

I would avoid 3-4-3 77W operators out of principle. I just don't want this to become the future of air travel and I don't think I have to. Alternatives are rarely more expensive, and if they are it's usually not by much. It's a little money for what is a crucial difference of personal space, especially when you're travelling solo and don't know who you'll end up sitting next to.

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:10 pm

I think this may end up a-la Spirit Airlines. Lots of moaning and complaining about seats and legroom, but in the end people keep coming back, as long as the price is right! As long as AA can charge competitive fares on these routes, they won't have trouble filling them up.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting Shawn Patrick (Reply 24):

Perhaps your right but whats the longest flight on Spirit in their sardine can? On AA I guess the shortest long haul flight will be say 7 hours........yikes...no thanks!
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:46 pm

I will certainly avoid the 777-300 on my next DFW-LHR trip. I'll go on the BA 744 or even AA 772 (if BA not available) before I get subjected to 3-4-3 in Economy.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:52 pm

Quoting Shawn Patrick (Reply 24):
I think this may end up a-la Spirit Airlines. Lots of moaning and complaining about seats and legroom, but in the end people keep coming back, as long as the price is right!

I agree. For people flying in coach, it's all about getting the lowest price.

Plus, those flying coach will most likely be infrequent flyers anyway, so it's not like AA will be losing alot of repeat business from these particular passengers.

The two most interesting things to me about this are that rows 30-32 have only two seats on AC / JL side and that Business class is (thankfully) 1-2-1 instead of 2-2-2.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
I agree. For people flying in coach, it's all about getting the lowest price.

Plus, those flying coach will most likely be infrequent flyers anyway, so it's not like AA will be losing alot of repeat business from these particular passengers.

The idea that those of us who fky down the back are not frequent fliers is categorically wrong for many of us, it's not about getting a cheap deal, it's about what is affordable in the current climate. Given that the worst seats make up the vast majority of passenger numbers, it's a poor deal. Not all of us are on expenses...
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Plus, those flying coach will most likely be infrequent flyers anyway, so it's not like AA will be losing alot of repeat business from these particular passengers.

Gold elites are still FF and they can't get MCE. I guess even the Golds deserve to be punished for not flying enough to make PLT. Repeat business from the Golds? Totally not worth chasing.

at only 30 seats in MCE, assuming only window and aisle seats are desirable, there are only 20 of them. Very plausible even for PLT to be choosing between middle seat in MainCainExtra or window seat in MainCabinHorrror (and no SWU to escape the fate) .... I'd hate to be facing that choice
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
I agree. For people flying in coach, it's all about getting the lowest price.

Plus, those flying coach will most likely be infrequent flyers anyway, so it's not like AA will be losing alot of repeat business from these particular passengers.

I strongly disagree. Perhaps this comment is correct for the majority of fliers on leisure routes to Florida or California, or on carriers such as WN/NK.

Though I don't have status on AA, I consider myself an informed flier. I don't always go for lowest price ... I go for the most convenient flight times, most comfortable product in Y, etc. It's a balance. I don't just blindly select the itinerary with the lowest price and hope that it works out.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
The idea that those of us who fky down the back are not frequent fliers is categorically wrong for many of us, it's not about getting a cheap deal, it's about what is affordable in the current climate. Given that the worst seats make up the vast majority of passenger numbers, it's a poor deal. Not all of us are on expenses...

   Exactly. Everyone wants to fly up front. But not every company (or person) is willing/able to spend that kind of money.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
The idea that those of us who fky down the back are not frequent fliers is categorically wrong for many of us, it's not about getting a cheap deal, it's about what is affordable in the current climate.

Most flying in coach on these long haul routes are not frequent flyers (i.e. don't have any elite status). Of course there are some that don't fall into that category, but most are infrequent flyers.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:45 pm

If they didn't find it hard enough to compete with BA now this, 3-4-3 in a 777 is terrible. I see BA being full all the time DFWLON it's not just service it will be space as well. The 77W in 10 abreast is great for the bean counters but for the pax go look at other options even if a costs a bit extra.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting AA94 (Reply 30):
I strongly disagree.

It's an inescapable reality that most people traveling in Y are doing so because of price constraints, so it stands to reason the majority of them booked on price, and price alone. That's not a slight or a negative thing, just a reality. Are there people like certain a.nutters who are as informed as anyone, yet are forced to fly Y? Of course. And they'd be more likely to take their business elsewhere if they can afford a bit of flexibility. But the vast majority of people sitting in that plane have no idea what sort of plane they're on, much less how that cabin configuration compares to the alternatives. They're booked on that flight because it is some combination of the cheapest and shortest way from point A to point B. This is no less true of an international long haul than it is of a US domestic flight. As plane enthusiasts, it's often difficult for us to wrap our heads around these truths, but most people are trying to pay as little attention as possible. Sure, people will complain that the food was bad, the service was bad, or the seat was uncomfortable, but when push comes to shove, it's all about price, price, price.

AA may lose business from the few people who are aware of this change, but there will be more people happily willing to fill up those few seats lost, and as a result, AA's yields should increase.

As a plane enthusiast, it sucks. The 2-5-2 was nice, and there's absolutely no question the 3-4-3 will be considerably worse. But you can't fault AA for doing it. This is a comparatively inexpensive way to add a good chunk of seats, and for an airline as starved for cash as AA is, this is one of the only ways you're going to generate more revenue in Y. Very few airlines, especially western airlines, will be able to increase loads in Y based on the quality of their product. F and J? Absolutely. And AA is absolutely doing what they can to help themselves there. But Y just doesn't function that way.

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 31):
Most flying in coach on these long haul routes are not frequent flyers

I flew on average once every two weeks last year so that's about 52 flights. Not once was I tempted to pay 3-4 times as much as that sort of money is not avaialble at the min. Even our managers fly down the back every time they need to cross the pond. I think perhaps you are mistaking your fortunate position for the norm.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

Agreed. People (not the obese, just normal people) have been getting larger every generation for a couple centuries now. I avoid any airline that has ten abreast in the 777. Hello! Is anyone at the airlines listening?

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.

You must be a physically small person. I am an athletic 6'3" and these seats, the same width and pitch as those on a 737, are too narrow!
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
I flew on average once every two weeks last year so that's about 52 flights. Not once was I tempted to pay 3-4 times as much as that sort of money is not avaialble at the min. Even our managers fly down the back every time they need to cross the pond. I think perhaps you are mistaking your fortunate position for the norm.

You are providing anecdotal evidence.

I do wonder, though, what the pricing will be for Main Cain Extra. I just tried to see what it would cost on AA.com, but apparently for flight AA #100 it's not showing.

Perhaps people like you and your managers will be purchasing MCE in the future. This, I think will be very interesting to see - whether MCE is a big success for AA for business travellers such as yourself and your managers, and perhaps they will add additional MCE seats as time goes on.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
IF UA and DL have any sense they will jump on this to promote the room they have through out their Y cabins, not just Y+

I'll be surprised if they make a huge fuss about it because their bean counters will be gagging at the bit to see if AA can pull this off without a huge backlash, and they will quietly match them as soon as they can unless they have plans to retire their 777s in the next couple of years.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 6:07 pm

What is the seat pitch going to be in the 3-4-3 cabin?

I have flown 8 sectors on EK's 77W with a 34" pitch which I found perfectly acceptable. It was certainly more comfortable than the 8.5 hours I spent crossing the pond with AA on a 752 last month.

31" or 32" combined with 3-4-3 is another story.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting addictedMAN (Reply 38):

What is the seat pitch going to be in the 3-4-3 cabin?

31"

So now you have to pay "$8 to $108 per segment depending on the length of the flight" for MCE to get back to the 9AB / 35" pitch AA had (at no extra cost) on their M11s back in the 90s.

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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Mon May 28, 2012 11:30 pm

If any group of Y passengers would be fairly educated, know their rights and how to check to get comparative information, I imagine it would be long haul american passengers, especially those going across the Atlantic. Word will spread, about the narrow seats and incredibly cramped aisle - I'm waiting for the first person to get stuck  
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 40):
If any group of Y passengers would be fairly educated, know their rights and how to check to get comparative information, I imagine it would be long haul american passengers, especially those going across the Atlantic.

You'd be surprised. Half the time, they don't know what airline they're flying until they show up at the airport.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 5:30 am

Great! AA being the first North American Airline to go 3-4-3 on a 777 aircraft. We will see!!! For me, AA will not loose any customers with this config. And will have more pricing power once out of CH11 and with same cost structure as UA and DL. I predict UA and DL will follow, as they did with loyalty programs and revenue management. It was about time an airline in NA had the b...... To go 3-4-3 On this type of aircraft. And yes, I flew MX 332 MEX-MAD-MEX plenty of times on the 3-3-3 config, so I know what it means and also have flown AF and KL. It means you need a cheap seat to Europe during high summer season no matter what   and cheap we are talking $2000 usd connecting MEX-USA-Europe while MEX-Europe non stop are at $3000 for summer seasson
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting skyone (Reply 42):
We will see!!! For me, AA will not loose any customers with this config. And will have more pricing power once out of CH11 and with same cost structure as UA and DL.

Actually, AA needs to *gain* customers to reach the same load factor, else they'd be flying 9 unhappy customers per row plus an empty seat that only costs fuel, on top of upsetting all the Gold elites. The only place AA can succeed with this is on a) JV routes where they don't care or b) virtual monopoly routes that pax have no viable alternative to escape, such as DFW-GRU.

Fly this seat against any of the Far East carriers and AA would be in the red. They'd be screwed on the low end since they don't have the best pricing leverage (esp against MU), and they'd be screwed on the high end since NH/OZ/KE/TG/SQ are leaps-and-bounds ahead of them in terms of soft product, and frequently, hard product.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 43):
Actually, AA needs to *gain* customers to reach the same load factor, else they'd be flying 9 unhappy customers per row plus an empty seat that only costs fuel, on top of upsetting all the Gold elites. The only place AA can succeed with this is on a) JV routes where they don't care or b) virtual monopoly routes that pax have no viable alternative to escape, such as DFW-GRU.

Can you add some numbers to your post!!!!
What load factor do you think AA has on its intercontinental flights (operated by 772's and soon 773's)??
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 7:05 pm

Quoting rojo (Reply 44):
Can you add some numbers to your post!!!!
What load factor do you think AA has on its intercontinental flights (operated by 772's and soon 773's)??

I don't work for AA, but you're free to divulge their internal confidential figures if you work for them.
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 45):

I don't work for AA, but you're free to divulge their internal confidential figures if you work for them.

Based on your statement, It looks like you work for one of AA's competitors who already did the analysis for a 3x4x3 configuration on B777's, so feel free to provide confidential figures that back up why AA will have 9 unhappy customers per row + one empty seat. I will like to read it...
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 10:31 pm

The focus of this thread seems to be on 10 abreast economy, which makes sense since that is what most people fly.

However, the move towards fully flat business class seats with each seat having aisle access and window seats facing the window should be a good move and will likely win over many customers. AA had a strange proportion of too many first class and not enough business class seats on their 777s. It is good to see this ratio fixed.

AA needs the business class product since that is where they are really behind their competition. UA is nearing completion of flat business class and DL is on its way. AA likely cares most about the premium cabin comfort since economy is driven on yields rather than comfort. They finally will have a hard product to match BA. In fact, I’d suspect many passengers would prefer the seat on AA’s 77Ws to the BA configuration.
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Tue May 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting skyone (Reply 42):
e, AA will not loose any customers with this config. And will have more pricing power once out of CH11 and with same cost structure as UA and DL. I predict UA and DL will follow, as they did with loyalty programs and revenue management. It was about time an airline in NA had the b...... To go 3-4-3 On this type of aircraft

So....given that many people prefer BA over AA over the North Atlantic already, what does a 10 abreast AA vs 9 abreast BA suggest?
 
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RE: American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available

Wed May 30, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 48):

So....given that many people prefer BA over AA over the North Atlantic already, what does a 10 abreast AA vs 9 abreast BA suggest?

It suggests that in economy class, passengers care more about price over seat comfort. Denser seat configuration means lower fares which attracts more passengers.
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