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OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 1:58 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Delta must be happy
*AA BOS-LHR NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
AA DFW-BZE AUG 1.1>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.7
AA DFW-CZM AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-LIR SEP 0.3>0.2 OCT 0.3>0.1
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
*AA DFW-PLS SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
*AA DFW-PTY SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
AA DFW-PVR SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
AA DFW-SJU AUG 2>1.6 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
AA FLL-PAP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.6 OCT 2>1.5 NOV 2>1.8
AA JFK-ANU SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.5
AA JFK-BGI SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA JFK-SJU SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA JFK-STT AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-AUA SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AA MIA-BZE AUG 2>1.9 SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7 NOV 2>1.9
AA MIA-CLO AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA MIA-CUN SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA MIA-EZE OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
AA MIA-GCM SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-GIG NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5
AA MIA-GND SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4
AA MIA-GRU NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
AA MIA-GUA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-LIR SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7
AA MIA-MBJ SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-MGA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-SAP SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AA MIA-SCL NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4
AA MIA-STT SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-STX SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA MIA-SXM AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.4 OCT 2>1.4 NOV 2>1.7
AA MIA-UVF AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.5 NOV 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-YUL SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA ORD-CUN AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.1>0.7
AA ORD-MBJ SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0.1

*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.5>0
AM LAX-MEX JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
AM ORD-GDL JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5

AS LAX-GDL SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AS LAX-MMH SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.5
AS LAX-PVR OCT 1.0>1.1
AS LAX-SJD SEP 1.7>2 OCT 1.7>2
AS LAX-STS SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
*AS PDX-BIL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*AS PDX-DCA SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
AS PDX-YVR SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7
AS SEA-ANC SEP 18>16 OCT 16>13
AS SEA-ANC SEP 18>16 OCT 16>13
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2
AS SEA-DFW OCT 3>2
AS SEA-JNU OCT 3>2
AS SEA-LAX OCT 11>10
AS SEA-PHX SEP 5>4
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
AS SEA-SJD OCT 0>1.0
AS SEA-YVR SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
AS SJC-GDL SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4

BA SJU-ANU NOV 0.3>0.2 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1

BR GUM-TPE JUL 0.8>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.5

DL ATL-AMS OCT 1.8>2.0 NOV 1.0>1.5 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.6
DL EWR-AMS NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL LGA-DCA DEC 10>11
DL PDX-AMS OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7

F9 DEN-CUN NOV 1.0>1.1
F9 DEN-LAS SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
F9 DEN-LGA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>1.9
F9 DEN-MSY AUG 0.6>0.5
F9 DEN-PVR NOV 0.8>0.9 DEC 1.1>1.2
F9 DEN-SJD NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 1.1>1.4
F9 DEN-SLC OCT 5>6

G4 AZA-LAS DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 AZA-OAK DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 BIL-LAX NOV 0.2>0.1
G4 BLI-HNL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 BLI-LAS DEC 0.8>1.9 JAN 0.7>1.8
G4 BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 EUG-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
G4 FAT-HNL NOV 0.1>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 FAT-LAS DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 IAG-SFB DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 LAS-HNL NOV 0.2>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4
G4 LAS-LRD DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
G4 LAS-SCK DEC 0.2>1.2 JAN 0.1>1.1
G4 LAX-MSO NOV 0.2>0.1
G4 SCK-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1

HY JFK-RIX NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1

JJ MIA-GRU JUL 1.7>2
JJ MIA-REC JUL 0.1>0

KE GUM-ICN JUL 1.6>1.8 AUG 1.6>2 SEP 1.6>2 OCT 1.6>2

LX LAX-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.9

NZ LAX-AKL NOV 1.9>2 DEC 1.9>3

OZ CMH-ORD AUG 0.7>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 0.1>0.0

PD EWR-YTM JAN 0>0.2

Looks like they extended the end a little bit from last week, still ending, though.
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 0>0.7
*UA CLE-SBN AUG 0>0.8
UA DEN-SJD NOV 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-ANU NOV 0.3>0.4
BER/TXL fix
*UA EWR-BER AUG 0.7>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.6>0
UA EWR-BQN NOV 0.7>0.5
UA EWR-BTV SEP 3>4
UA EWR-DEN SEP 6>7
UA EWR-NAS NOV 1.0>1.2 DEC 1.0>1.2
UA EWR-PAP NOV 0.4>0.3
UA EWR-PLS NOV 0.5>0.4
UA EWR-PWM SEP 4>5
UA EWR-SDQ JAN 1.4>1.2
UA EWR-SJD NOV 0.4>0.5
UA EWR-SXM NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 1.1>0.9
UA EWR-TXL AUG 0.3>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.6
UA EWR-YQB SEP 4>5
UA FLL-TCB JUN 2>3 JUL 1.2>1.3 AUG 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.2>1.3 OCT 1.1>1.3
UA IAH-BRO JUL 5>4
UA IAH-CID SEP 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-CLL SEP 6>5
UA IAH-COS SEP 4>3
UA IAH-GRK SEP 5>4
UA IAH-LOS SEP 0.9>0.7
UA IAH-MCI JUL 9>8
UA IAH-MFE SEP 8>7
UA IAH-MSY SEP 11>10
UA IAH-OMA JUL 6>5
UA IAH-PDX SEP 4>3
UA IAH-PVR SEP 0.8>1.0
UA IAH-SJD SEP 1.8>2
UA IAH-SMF SEP 3>2
*UA IAH-VCT JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
UA IAH-YEG SEP 2>1.7
UA LAX-ELP AUG 0.9>0.5
UA LAX-LAS SEP 5>6
UA LAX-SAN SEP 14>12
UA LAX-SBP SEP 6>5
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
UA ORD-PVR NOV 0.1>0.3
UA ORD-SYR JUL 5>4
UA ORD-YQB SEP 1.8>2.0
UA SFO-CIC SEP 4>3
UA SFO-GDL NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.8
UA SFO-IAH SEP 10>11
UA SFO-MOD SEP 4>3
UA SFO-RDD SEP 5>4

*WN AUS-DCA JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

*WP MKK-OGG JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2

XL JFK-GYE OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.5

Y4 FAT-GDL SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAS-GDL AUG 1.1>1.6 SEP 1.1>1.7 OCT 1.2>1.7 NOV 1.1>1.7 DEC 1.1>1.7 JAN 1.2>1.7
Y4 LAX-MEX SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAX-MLM AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.4
Y4 MDW-GDL JUN 1.1>1.2
Y4 OAK-GDL JUN 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.6>1.2 SEP 1.5>1.0 OCT 1.6>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0
*Y4 OAK-MEX AUG 0.5>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0
*Y4 SAN-GDL AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0
Y4 SJC-GDL SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0 NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS LAX-GDL SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Were these announced and I missed it, or did I just make news?

MCO-SAN surprises me because it is so long and MCO is considered low-yield. Perhaps they are betting on lower-fuel.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2

Interesting that this will be a red-eye instead of the mid-afternoon flights AS usually likes to run for second flights.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Were these announced and I missed it, or did I just make news?

I don't see either of these for sale yet, and nothing on the AS board at flyertalk about them either.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Happy to see MS getting some love, though it seems this route has always been a challenge. I seem to remember AA trying it at one point and UA has had it before.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7

Largest AA hub to largest IB hub can't sustain daily service ? I know winter to Europe is slow but THAT bad ?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7

Paging SANFan...  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

If this is true, big news for AS.

SAT is one of those markets that is on the edge of viability from SEA in terms of daily pax. There would be some military traffic for sure, but there are not a lot of other obvious business connections. AS is apparently unconcerned about cannibalizing from SEA-AUS.

Along with PDX-DCA, I believe these flights would consume the rest of AS's fleet expansion in 2012, so no PIT for a little while longer, not that I'd expect AS to open it in the winter. Next spring, perhaps.   
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 3:31 pm

Is anyone ever gonna offer RDU-SJU? B6 stated it was on their short list over a year ago and nothing!

And when is UA going to reinstated RDU-DEN? To be sure UA-tinenal is going to have RDU service to all continental US hubs.. that's usually their thing..

And lastly, is the DL CUN focus city officially dead?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.5>0

This is funny. I look forward to your updates just so I can see what AM does with FAT-GDL! LOL
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:03 pm

Is UA ending service to Victoria, TX then (was it twice daily and once daily weekends)?
IAH-VCT to 0?

They are sandwiched in-between AUS (124 miles ) SAT (132 miles), CRP (108 miles), and IAH (142 miles) /HOU (128 miles) so I guess it is back to driving...

Did they have EAS funds for this?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
Largest AA hub to largest IB hub can't sustain daily service ? I know winter to Europe is slow but THAT bad ?

Its been like that every winter since the flight began operating.

Its daily during the spring, summer, and fall and in the winter it goes to 5x weekly.

This is nothing new.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7

**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

I certainluy agree with those surprised (and confused?) by these routes! (And, btw, thrilled if SAN-MCO turns out to be true!!!) However, as already mentioned, since no announcement has yet been made, were these slip-ups -- similar to the DCA-HNL flights that somehow were mistakenly opened for sale on Travelocity, etc., a few weeks ago before the DOT even made their decision in the DCA Service Expansion case -- leaked prematurely? Interesting start to the week...

I will be looking into this asap to find out if they are correct or not.

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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-VCT JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0

Matter of time this route was cut. There never seems to be anyone on those flights. Plus, since the Saabs in IAH are exiting the fleet, I'm assuming United doesn't want to send any ERJ-135s/145s down there either.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Did they have EAS funds for this?

This is an EAS route but UA would have to send ERJs down there once the saabs are gone and I don't think ExpressJet would be willing to serve VCT.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting 96texan (Reply 11):
This is an EAS route but UA would have to send ERJs down there once the saabs are gone and I don't think ExpressJet would be willing to serve VCT.

If it is EAS, then UA has to serve notice of intent to end the service. Can't just walk away from it until a replacement has been awarded.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:53 pm

Good news for SAT!

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
SAT is one of those markets that is on the edge of viability from SEA in terms of daily pax. There would be some military traffic for sure, but there are not a lot of other obvious business connections. AS is apparently unconcerned about cannibalizing from SEA-AUS.

I used to be a bit skeptical too, however the San Antonio - Austin region is closing in on 4 million people - two daily n/s from central Texas to Seattle seems plausible at this point. Additionally, Seattle is a top 20 O&D destination from San Antonio with over 120,000 year pax (2008 numbers provided by San Antonio airport)
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2

Interesting that this will be a red-eye instead of the mid-afternoon flights AS usually likes to run for second flights.

That is odd for off-peak. They needed the plane for the new routes.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
I don't see either of these for sale yet, and nothing on the AS board at flyertalk about them either.

Great, I scooped them.  
Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Happy to see MS getting some love, though it seems this route has always been a challenge. I seem to remember AA trying it at one point and UA has had it before.

Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

Quoting erj170 (Reply 6):
And lastly, is the DL CUN focus city officially dead?

It was beheaded by Mexican drug lords a year ago. :p

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):

Is UA ending service to Victoria, TX then (was it twice daily and once daily weekends)?
IAH-VCT to 0?

Apparently

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
were these slip-ups

There's a schedule and block times.

AS762 SAN-MCO 2235 0630 x23 73H
AS763 MCO-SAN 0805 1040 x34 73H

AS688 SEA-SAT 1230 1835 D 73H
AS689 SAT-SEA 1925 2155 D 73H

I'm sure it is real. Those are legit schedules.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Its been like that every winter since the flight began operating.

Its daily during the spring, summer, and fall and in the winter it goes to 5x weekly.

This is nothing new.

And you don't think there's something fundamentally questionable with a JV'ed hub-to-hub that fails to sustain daily service ? This is DFW-MAD, not some obscure thing like CLE-VIE or SLC-CAN.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 15):
d you don't think there's something fundamentally questionable with a JV'ed hub-to-hub that fails to sustain daily service ? This is DFW-MAD, not some obscure thing like CLE-VIE or SLC-CAN.

No, I dont.

Traffic falls off a cliff to Spain and Southern Europe in the winter. Since that is the target audience of that flight, its not a surprise.

Tons of flights to Europe are less than daily in the winter from all sorts of hubs. Its not really that noteworthy that a flight goes from daily to 5x weekly for three-four months out of the year.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

AA has a pretty healthy schedule out of LIT and XNA, but AA is quite dominant at both of those airports, whereas DL seems to be boss in JAN (and WN does have a MDW nonstop, if I'm not mistaken). I know nothing of Alabama except that it exists.
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Tue May 29, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*Y4 SAN-GDL AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

Gulp! This I hate to see. I don't know if this will hold true but if it does, will it become a seasonal route or is it gone for good? (I'm very surprised that there is nothing showing at least for the holidays in December; I would certainly expect they could run daily flights between SAN and GDL for a couple of weeks around Christmas anyway...)

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Tue May 29, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BOS-LHR NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0

How many flights from LHR does AA have nowadays?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

It's interesting to see how much AS is expanding. Do you think they'll have more presence on the east coast? IMO they could probably compete with Jet Blue as a cheap alternative for coast-to-coast travel. (to LAX, SEA, etc)

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*UA CLE-CVG AUG 0>0.7

When is it supposed to be ending now?
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Tue May 29, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

No but there is a 77W. This is just DL and AF shuffling who is operating what flights this winter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
Gulp! This I hate to see.

Wait a week...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
How many flights from LHR does AA have nowadays?

In the Fall I count:
BOS 1
DFW 2
JFK 5
LAX 1
MIA 1.5
ORD 3
RDU 1

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

I only see 777s.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Do you think they'll have more presence on the east coast? IMO they could probably compete with Jet Blue as a cheap alternative for coast-to-coast travel.

AS isn't cheap. Their costs are much higher than B6. I think they depend on code share and frequent flyer cooperation to make those regions work.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
When is it supposed to be ending now?

It was July and now it goes for 0.7 of August. I don't know the day. If it is 2 trips it might just be a week or so.
 
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Tue May 29, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I would certainly expect they could run daily flights between SAN and GDL for a couple of weeks around Christmas anyway...

No one is going to pay $100 extra in taxes/fees when they can fly to TIJ and drive across the border, especially when Y4 has 7 flights alone TIJGDL.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
AS isn't cheap. Their costs are much higher than B6. I think they depend on code share and frequent flyer cooperation to make those regions work.

A reasonably-priced First Class cabin probably has something to do with it too, which AS has eluded to in the quarterly calls a couple of times. This weekend I was looking at AS flights PDX-SEA-EWR for the last week of August, and already a few flights are fully booked up in F. Three months in advance!
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Tue May 29, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
No, I dont.

Traffic falls off a cliff to Spain and Southern Europe in the winter. Since that is the target audience of that flight, its not a surprise.

Tons of flights to Europe are less than daily in the winter from all sorts of hubs. Its not really that noteworthy that a flight goes from daily to 5x weekly for three-four months out of the year.

Nearly all the drop-offs below daily (common occurence) are hub-to-spoke flights with no connections on the European end. I rarely see a hub-to-hub with the same fate. Neither DFW nor MAD is a marginal hub like CVG, so I don't see how your argument holds water.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 24):
Nearly all the drop-offs below daily (common occurence) are hub-to-spoke flights with no connections on the European end.

With AA's current penchant for directing Saver award traffic onto BA where significant fuel surcharges are levied, with that revenue presumably shared under their JV, I can see some reasoning for encouraging connections over LHR rather than MAD. We'll never know the real reason behind the schedule reduction in winter on the DFW-MAD route, except for one—profits.

There must also be some significant O&D drop-off as well, as the flight gets downgauged from a 777 to 767 in winter.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
No one is going to pay $100 extra in taxes/fees when they can fly to TIJ and drive across the border, especially when Y4 has 7 flights alone TIJGDL


They certainly did last December. And I disagree with you as well about San Diegans crossing the border to fly within Mexico. I've said it before -- there are a LOT of people living north of the border who simply will NOT fly out of Rodriguez Airport. Period. They will fly out of LA, or connect over PHX, LAS, or whatever, flying US or Mexican cx but they do NOT cross the border by land.

And your argument doesn't hold up real well when considering the SAN-MEX service on Volaris which seems to be doing well. There are also lots of flights (on several cx) from TIJ to MEX.

I personally would love to see how AS would do with a SAN-GDL flight. I think this would change the ballgame a lot. And the way things are going now, I wouldn't be totally surprised if AS DID try this route sometime in the next year...

This whole Y4 thing with SAN is a very odd and complex issue with one route doing well, the other not so much. And part of the equation remains the issue with travel to Mexico from the US overall. With the violence continuing, it all remains very confused and unsure.

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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 7:10 pm

Looks like AA is in a slow march to end all service between JFK and the Caribbean. Sad, this was once the backbone of the JFK operation
 
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Tue May 29, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
XL JFK-GYE OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.5

Great to see LAN Ecuador continuing to add flights on the GYE-JFK route!
 
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Tue May 29, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):

DL and B6 are slowly replacing the capacity that AA is taking out of NYC to Caribbean. Last week DL published expanded schedules to FL and the Caribbean, and today they announced that LGA-MIA will receive a fifth daily frequency.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 27):
Looks like AA is in a slow march to end all service between JFK and the Caribbean.
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 29):
DL and B6 are slowly replacing the capacity that AA is taking out of NYC to Caribbean.

AA is hoping to code share with B6 in NYC.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4 FAT-GDL SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1

Y4 is running a 2X on peak days this summer as well.. They're running two red eyes about an hour apart.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Tue May 29, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):
They certainly did last December. And I disagree with you as well about San Diegans crossing the border to fly within Mexico.

Every flight to Latin America is full in December

Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):
I've said it before -- there are a LOT of people living north of the border who simply will NOT fly out of Rodriguez Airport. Period. They will fly out of LA, or connect over PHX, LAS, or whatever, flying US or Mexican cx but they do NOT cross the border by land.

Why don't we look at all the other successful non leisure Mexican flights to SAN, or American flights to TIJ....or at all the Canadian license plates in BLI... People say a lot of things, but when it comes to saving $80-100, they don't always put their money where their mouth is.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):
And your argument doesn't hold up real well when considering the SAN-MEX service on Volaris which seems to be doing well.

It hasn't even been around a year, and with Y4 reducing capacity to SAN up to over 40% YOY, it's a little early to tell one way or another.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 24):
Nearly all the drop-offs below daily (common occurence) are hub-to-spoke flights with no connections on the European end. I rarely see a hub-to-hub with the same fate. Neither DFW nor MAD is a marginal hub like CVG, so I don't see how your argument holds water.

Southern Europe has a huge drop in traffic in winter. Thats not a hard concept to grasp.

Heres another one for you. MAD isnt LHR, CDG, AMS, or FRA. As far as traffic flows from the US, it feeds Southern Europe almost exclusively. There are no flights beyond Europe and a few destinations in Africa to connect to. You cant connect to India, the MIddle East, Africa, or even Northern Europe from MAD. That takes away a huge bank of flights that LHR, AMS, FRA, and CDG enjoy making it much easier for them to support year round service to their respective hubs in the US. Look at how many destinations KL, LH, AF, and BA serve in the US compared to IB. That should tell you something.

DFW-MAD is specifically for traffic to Southern Europe. Southern Europe traffic falls off a cliff in winter. Make sense?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

Pretty long, most markets are pretty small, and there aren't a lot of historic economic ties between Chicago and any of those areas. The more business-oriented routes (e.g. ORD-XNA) do better. ORD-MGM, for instance, isn't that much different than ORD-PNS or ORD-BTR, both of which are historically just as weak but happen to connect to states with other, larger markets.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 2:17 am

Since AA will be dropping its morning Boston-London flight, will BA stick with the 777 on theirs?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 33):

Is DL's ATLMAD daily or 5x weekly in winter ? If DL can hold theirs I can't see why AA can't .... That's on top of zero partners at the MAD end for DL.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 36):

Actually ATLMAD does go down to 5x a week in winter.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 36):

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 33):

Is DL's ATLMAD daily or 5x weekly in winter ? If DL can hold theirs I can't see why AA can't .... That's on top of zero partners at the MAD end for DL.


That's a ridiculous comparison.

First of all, DL only serves MAD from JFK and ATL, so it uses those as its only gateways to Madrid and nothing else.

AA has MAD on its metal from DFW, MIA and JFK; plus IB metal from SJU, BOS, ORD, JFK, MIA and LAX, not to mention AA metal on JFKBCN and MIABCN. AA works with all those gateways and balances freuqnecy as needed - when you are flying MIAMAD 17w, JFKMAD 18w, ORDMAD daily, etc., there is far less need to have a daily DFWMAD flight.

And, by the way, Delta reduces ATLMAD to 5x weekly during the winter. And, on top of that, DL reduces JFKMAD to 5x weekly during the winter, as well.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-BER AUG 0.7>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.6>0

So the solution to the dilemma that this route is too long for a 757 with winter winds but not profitable enough for a 767 is to cancel the route for the winter! I'm sure that will make a few anti-757 zealots happy.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 39):
So the solution to the dilemma that this route is too long for a 757 with winter winds but not profitable enough for a 767 is to cancel the route for the winter! I'm sure that will make a few anti-757 zealots happy.

EWR-BER is being zeroed out because BER is no longer opening this year. If you look further down EWR-TXL was loaded back up.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

If IB has so many flights already why not just cancel all AA MAD flights except DFW, since it's jv and AA gets their share without doing any work anyway, then AA can free up those 772s to be converted to 3-4-3 torture class faster to lower costs and increase profits ??
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*Y4 SAN-GDL AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

Gulp! This I hate to see. I don't know if this will hold true but if it does, will it become a seasonal route or is it gone for good? (I'm very surprised that there is nothing showing at least for the holidays in December; I would certainly expect they could run daily flights between SAN and GDL for a couple of weeks around Christmas anyway...)

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April numbers showed 99 pax per flight, which is a little light for Y4.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
AA has MAD on its metal from DFW, MIA and JFK; plus IB metal from SJU, BOS, ORD, JFK, MIA and LAX, not to mention AA metal on JFKBCN and MIABCN. AA works with all those gateways and balances freuqnecy as needed - when you are flying MIAMAD 17w, JFKMAD 18w, ORDMAD daily, etc., there is far less need to have a daily DFWMAD flight.

And it's not ridiculous to justify draw down of DFW based on flights from SJU and BOS ?
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):

Yes that's what AA management wants to do, but what if the judge said that AA cannot break the union contracts and that they need to go back to the negotiating table with the pilots. I'm sure the pilots will say hell no to that and i'm sure they will want that flying back under the AA name. At that point it might be to late because DL and B6 might be entrenched on those routes. I'm not saying that will happen but there is a chance that it might.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 44):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
AA has MAD on its metal from DFW, MIA and JFK; plus IB metal from SJU, BOS, ORD, JFK, MIA and LAX, not to mention AA metal on JFKBCN and MIABCN. AA works with all those gateways and balances freuqnecy as needed - when you are flying MIAMAD 17w, JFKMAD 18w, ORDMAD daily, etc., there is far less need to have a daily DFWMAD flight.

And it's not ridiculous to justify draw down of DFW based on flights from SJU and BOS ?

No, it's really not, you seem to be the only one not grasping the picture here. If AA, in addition to connecting people to MAD from DFW, MIA, and JFK, is also connecting people from ORD, BOS, SJU, and LAX it means their traffic flows to Madrid are more spread out among more gateways than DL's two at ATL and JFK, really not a difficult, earth-shattering concept.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 41):
If IB has so many flights already why not just cancel all AA MAD flights except DFW

Obviously because it's profitable and advantageous for them to operate their own metal in MAD.

[Edited 2012-05-30 02:43:17 by srbmod]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 10:11 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Great, I scooped them

Good work, it's not easy to do. Everytime I think I have a scoop, turns out I don't.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
There's a schedule and block times.

AS762 SAN-MCO 2235 0630 x23 73H
AS763 MCO-SAN 0805 1040 x34 73H

AS688 SEA-SAT 1230 1835 D 73H
AS689 SAT-SEA 1925 2155 D 73H

I'm sure it is real. Those are legit schedules

I'd love to see their PDX-DCA-PDX flight times. Looks like the SAN experiment is alive and well, hope there are good connections to MRY, SRS, FAT etc... This is a good move by AS! I just wonder where all the planes are coming from for all these new routes, AS definately needs to update it's online route map and new destinations guide below.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 1:12 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

Pretty long, most markets are pretty small, and there aren't a lot of historic economic ties between Chicago and any of those areas.

It's weird, though. HSV and BHM have had ORD fairly consistently, but the service seems to ebb and flow. It's funny because up the road in BNA there's tons of MDW on WN plus AA/UA. You'd think the mighty Mississippi River would create tons of historic business ties.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
The more business-oriented routes (e.g. ORD-XNA) do better.

Well, that one is unique because it is the new economy driving it.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
ORD-MGM, for instance, isn't that much different than ORD-PNS or ORD-BTR, both of which are historically just as weak but happen to connect to states with other, larger markets.

Agreed

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 44):
Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Yes that's what AA management wants to do, but what if the judge said that AA cannot break the union contracts and that they need to go back to the negotiating table with the pilots.

Bottom line they are not making money at current cost levels in those routes. If the contract gets broken they will add them back or code share if they are allowed to.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 46):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Great, I scooped them

Good work, it's not easy to do. Everytime I think I have a scoop, turns out I don't.

 
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 46):
I'd love to see their PDX-DCA-PDX flight times.

AS764 PDX DCA 1000 1810 D 73H
AS765 DCA PDX 1740 2027 D 73H

It appears to flip with SEA as I note the negative turn in DCA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4

Wed May 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 47):
It's weird, though. HSV and BHM have had ORD fairly consistently, but the service seems to ebb and flow. It's funny because up the road in BNA there's tons of MDW on WN plus AA/UA. You'd think the mighty Mississippi River would create tons of historic business ties.

There just are not the economic ties. The deep south has historically been one of the weakest economic regions in the country. Recent growth really revolves around the growth of manufacturing in these right-to-work, lower cost, typically union-free, and often with incentives in the region. Much of this is automotive related, and most of it is foreign. Hence why there are some ties to Detroit and the Ohio Valley region.

The rest tend to economically have more in common with places like ATL.

The deep south ORD routes are long and thin and often flown with higher cost RJs. The routes that have enough volume and international connections survive.

The days of all the hub overflying appear to be waning with the demise of the 50 seater and the cost of fuel. Plus add in network changes due to mergers some of this flying become redundant.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:39 pm

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