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Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:08 am

It's been over a year since the last thread. It got locked due to off topic discussion, so let's PLEASE keep this one on topic!

I'm back at PWM, working as much as I can. Figured I'd kick this thread off with a tradition from the old threads, my picture of the week:

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Two KC-135 Stratotankers were doing touch and go's a few weeks ago at PWM. Absolutely amazing to witness.  
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:43 pm

With the CFM engines. Don't know if any with the Pratts still around
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:39 pm

PVD had visits from a KC-135 a few weeks back as well. Pretty amazing sight.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:10 am

When will construction begin on the new runway extension at PVD?
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:06 am

There doesn't seem to be much new on the commercial front in BTV. The hot topic of the moment is the F-35; lots of vocal opposition but plenty of support as well.

I saw a few interesting visitors over the past couple of months, starting with President Obama's visit in March:


And one of the support aircraft. I saw one of these do an amazingly short takeoff starting at around the midpoint of the runway:


Lastly a charter for the University of Vermont men's basketball team:
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:15 am

So I've been temping for CTPS, and many of our projects have been at Logan. At one point I rode the Blue Line all the way to the end for the first time in 11 years and saw Constitution Beach. It isn't quite Boston's answer to Maho Beach, but holy crap, that is a planespotter's paradise! I have stopped by there during breaks at work and watched the planes. One day I saw the 747 diverted from JFK. That thing is huge! I was hoping it was an A380, but oh well. I also saw the 787 there another time as well. I also saw the US side of Terminal B and Terminal A for the first time (just the landsides though). I was able to walk around from Terminal A to E, then C, then the US side of Terminal B before I had a hard time finding my way back to Terminal A. It is largely idiot-proof except for that final stretch. I also love the rocking chairs in the hallway between Terminals C and A/B. It's a shame there is no landside area that is good for planespotting (aside from a few glimpses of the tarmac).
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:04 pm

The airport that is seeing a bit of interesting action is Pease. I shot this Southern Air 747 there a couple weekends ago. Pease maintains their 747s, and one is there nearly every few days. Also, there is a bit more CRAF traffic passing through Pease these days. Not anywhere near what Bangor gets, but more than before.

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Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:34 pm

Nice to see the New England thread going again. Thanks PWMRamper.

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 4):
The hot topic of the moment is the F-35; lots of vocal opposition but plenty of support as well.

I really can't fathom the opposition. The Air Guard brings big $$$ and skilled technical jobs to the area, and the opposition would dismiss these benefits on account of a very modest increase in noise level. And talking about noise, let's not forget that the area somehow grew and prospered during the days of the F-4.....

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 4):
I saw a few interesting visitors over the past couple of months

Any news about Porter Airlines? The remarkably warm winter probably took a huge bite out of their ski package business. I'm thinking they may not be back next winter, but here's to hoping.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:31 pm

New Southwest schedule reaching into January will be released on Monday 04 JUN. Supposedly, there will be some significant changes systemwide beyond the seasonal adjustments. AirTran naturally, will be further integrated but how will New England's airports be affectd by this. We shall see.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:12 pm

I think the real 'big' thing with respect to this is Southwest metal up in Portland, but someone here also posted a rumor (not heard elsewhere) that MHT-ATL will be coming. That seems far-fetched to me. But like you said: We shall see.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 9):

From what I've heard at the airport, Southwest is not due to move into PWM until October 2013, among the last, if not the last, FL to WN conversion.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:25 am

Hi all!!!

Does anyone know when Penair will start service to PQI???? City pair to BOS is on the sight but was unable to book a flight for the fun of it. It will be so kewl to have that airline here in New England. I am so glad I get to read about New England news again. I hope it lasts if you know what I mean.

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Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:14 am

Wow, quite a day at PWM today...

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/603134_4254541245506_12113997_n.jpg

YV 3760 ORD-PWM diverted to MHT.
EV 4310 CLE-PWM diverted to MHT.

Pea sized hail, numerous lightning strikes. A DL MD-88 had a lightning strike on arrival into PWM. Lightning struck the runway, no significant damage.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:43 am

Sorry to double post....

PWM had a couple visitors today!

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542445_4287485509092_2035137697_n.jpg

Anyone know why?
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 13):
PWM had a couple visitors today!

Can't answer your question. But the one on the right with the special scheme is from the VFA-37 Ragin Bulls strike fighter squadron based @ NAS Oceana, VA. It's also the CAG's airplane (CAG=Commander of the Air Group). Or what some call " the boss bird". That makes it pretty rare. Nice catch.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:34 am

See those pods slung beneath each F-18? They will be filled with Lobsters for the flight back down the coast.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:58 pm

I saw this in BTV a few days ago:



I had to do some research just to find out what it was. Then I saw another one land a few days later. They were at the Army National Guard ramp, so maybe doing something related to the Guard's annual training.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:32 pm

9K seasonal service started yesterday at PVD. Other than that, things there are fairly quiet.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 17):

indeed...also 9K started PVC-HPN...a little something-something new
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:12 pm

So I think that there is a lot of good things heading our way at BOS. With the 787, a Middle East/Indian carrier should be coming our way. I wonder who it will be? EK? TK? QR? AI? 9W?

I wonder if EI would move to Terminal C with B6, especially as I believe there are rumors here that they will move to T5 at JFK, so it would make sense. It would give WN more room as well, and I'd like to see them expand a bit because competition with B6 will keep prices modest.

A question about what used to be Terminal D- how many gates are there, or were there? I've heard it's three, but I could've sworn that when I flew out of there in 2005 there were five. Did they close two gates?

And how long until B6 enters PVD? It's obvious that it's coming soon...
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
So I think that there is a lot of good things heading our way at BOS. With the 787, a Middle East/Indian carrier should be coming our way. I wonder who it will be? EK? TK? QR? AI? 9W?

I think Qatar said they were coming to Boston as soon as the 787s arrive.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
And how long until B6 enters PVD? It's obvious that it's coming soon...

There are a lot of 'experts' who declare it's going to happen any hour now...
  
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
There are a lot of 'experts' who declare it's going to happen any hour now...

But David Barger himself has said via Twitter that he hopes to be there "real soon", I wonder what's keeping them?
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 21):
But David Barger himself has said via Twitter that he hopes to be there "real soon", I wonder what's keeping them?

In fairness, he's doing what touring CEOs do: singing the praises of every city he visits.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:37 am

Not sure whats going on with that but those tweets keep the rumor birds chirping! I hope it really happens.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 18):
indeed...also 9K started PVC-HPN...a little something-something new

Are you sure about that? I havent seen that anywhere. Would be nice though!
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Some interesting news from PVD/RIAC... Kevin Dillon is resigning having sucessfully obtained all of the FAA approvals for the runway extension.

http://news.providencejournal.com/br...ews/2012/06/ri-airport-chie-1.html
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:59 am

A small GA plane crashed into the water near Portland Head Light today, the pilot was killed.


DL's got daily A319 service from PWM-LGA now, and from what I hear they're going to be replacing the MD-88 with the A320 down to ATL.

Picture of the week is a busy morning at PWM:

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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:48 pm

Occasionally I read about a flight crossing the pond from Europe who diverts to BGR to refuel. In 1972 as a youngster I remember landing in Bangor on a military charter from FRA to McGuire AFB in NJ. I want to say we were on the ground for some two hours. Even back then they wouldn't let us deplane after flying for six and having six hours extra added to our day.

I was under the impression BGR was more a military base who shared runways with the local community very much like HNL does with Hickam AFB in Hawaii.

Does anybody know if Pease AFB in New Hampshire is still a military base. From what I read above it continues to operate as a scaled down version of its former self. I was under the impression the Base Realignment And Closing (BRAC) closed or downsized Pease in the 1990's

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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 25):
Some interesting news from PVD/RIAC... Kevin Dillon is resigning having sucessfully obtained all of the FAA approvals for the runway extension.

http://news.providencejournal.com/br....html

Where's he headed? The article didn't specify.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 28):
Where's he headed? The article didn't specify.

A few days later news came out that he is going to the new CT Aviation Authority, which is pretty much the CT version of RIAC (though does not include all airports in the state).
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Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 27):
Does anybody know if Pease AFB in New Hampshire is still a military base

Both Bangor and Pease are no longer active duty bases. Bangor closed as an active base in 1968 while Pease closed in 1991. While both are civilian bases they do have some military as they both have Air National Guard units. Bangor has the Maine Air National Guard with KC-135s and Pease has the NH Air National Guard also with KC-135s.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:33 pm

PWM gets LEED Gold certified. Nice to know that this is the second airport (after SFO) in the United States to achieve this certification. Kudos to all the great work in revamping the airport - looks great! Still waiting for some takers for the empty gates (WN r u hearing us?)

http://www.pressherald.com/business/...o-get-LEED-Gold-certification.html

PS: Thanks a lot PWMRamper for bringing this forum alive - have been missing this thread for a long time.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:09 pm

BTV to lose MCO service? B6 has been trimming their Orlando routes from New England.
Any idea B6 might resume MCO service from PWM at least?
Currently, the only B6 New England destinations from MCO are Hartford and Boston. BGR does great with G4 and hopefully they will pick up some of the routes dropped by B6 and FL/WN.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting blr380 (Reply 32):
BTV to lose MCO service? B6 has been trimming their Orlando routes from New England.
Any idea B6 might resume MCO service from PWM at least?

I wonder how much that is related to the rapid growth at Plattsburgh? On some days Allegiant actually runs some flights as double daily.
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:08 pm

Massport released their numbers for May. Passenger numbers at BOS through the first 5 months stand at 11,553,820, up 3.3% over this time period for 2011. Looks to be a record breaking year at the airport.

PVD sits at 1,471,519 through May, down 2.52% from 2011. Looks like the unemployment situation is hurting the airport.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 34):
PVD sits at 1,471,519 through May, down 2.52% from 2011. Looks like the unemployment situation is hurting the airport.

Its not the unemployment is the airline consolidation and 15%+ reduction in seats... The UA/CO merger has resulted in a sharp loss in seats, plus fallout from the LGA/DCA slot swap and WN's lack of growth overall as an airline.

Hardly anythign RI specific but more the industry in general, BOS is up thanks to competition from B6, WN and NK, but some of those things like NK-DFW and the B6 response may be short lived as NK is already cutting DFW, and BOS-PHX on WN (which elicited a B6 response) is also being dropped.
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 6):
The airport that is seeing a bit of interesting action is Pease. I shot this Southern Air 747 there a couple weekends ago. Pease maintains their 747s, and one is there nearly every few days. Also, there is a bit more CRAF traffic passing through Pease these days. Not anywhere near what Bangor gets, but more than before.

As somebody who tracks daily activity at both PSM and BGR, I've also noticed a definite increase in activity at PSM involving heavy transports. Over the last several months, no more than a few days has gone by without visits by the heavy equipment.. Often, up to three have come through during a single day.

Most of these flights have been coming out of Dover or McGuire AFB en-route to Germany. Therefore, it's safe to assume these are military charters? Something that's been common at Bangor for a decade, but not so common at Pease. It's nice to see more commercial activity at PSM!

I've also noticed both a VIP 767-200 and 777-200, used by a Saudi Arabian Prince, have also been occasionally parking at PSM for a few days after arriving in the USA from Saudi Arabia. Both jets usually ferry up from JFK or EWR, stay a couple of days and then return to the middle east. Just a few weeks ago, the 767 came through PSM en-route to/from Saudi Arabia twice within two days.

The 777 is registered N777AS, and pictured below. It even has a disco floor in the cabin!


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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 27):

I was under the impression BGR was more a military base who shared runways with the local community very much like HNL does with Hickam AFB in Hawaii.

Does anybody know if Pease AFB in New Hampshire is still a military base. From what I read above it continues to operate as a scaled down version of its former self. I was under the impression the Base Realignment And Closing (BRAC) closed or downsized Pease in the 1990's

As mentioned Bangor International Airport, formally Dow AFB closed in the late 1960's. It is now a commercial airport owned and operated by the town, and is also an official U.S. Customs Port of Entry. An international arrival terminal with customs processing facility was constructed at BGR during the mid 1970's to service commercial airliners flying from Europe to the West Coast before longer range aircraft came alone. Also, it was quicker for passengers to go through customs at BGR than somewhere like LAX or SFO which might have been the final destination.

During it's peak during the late 1970's, BGR handled somewhere in the ballpark of 3,000 international passenger flights per year. Airlines such as Pan Am, TWA, Laker Airways, were common daily visitors. Things began to slow down during the 1980's. By the 1990's most of the international flights passing through BGR were charters from Europe to points in Mexico, Caribbean, and Florida. These days, BGR handles more military troops charters than anything else. Usually, 4-6 daily, along with cargo flights, transient military operations by NATO members, occasional passenger charters from U.K. to Florida, lots of private jets, and the regularly scheduled airline flights.

You really have no idea what you might see at BGR at any given day!

Pease AFB closed in 1991. Last aircraft a left in 1990. When it closed, Pease was a SAC base with F-111's and KC-135's. It was also designated an emergency landing site for the space shuttle. (As well as BGR) The NHANG has maintained a base flying KC-135's out of PSM since the closure, however.

Since it's closure, the airfield part of the base is largely utilized. There was a passenger terminal built with a single jetway sometime during the 1990's. Pan am IV, Skybus, etc, have all attempted to serve the airport with commercial service unsuccessfully over the past decade. Until recently, PSM only saw sporadic charter flights. These days, activity seems to be picking up? Not anywhere close to the levels at BGR, but nevertheless increasing!

I'm glad to see this. It's such an under utilized piece of aviation real estate. One of the longest runways on the East Coast, vast unused ramp space, large hangers, customs processing. I took the photo below while climbing out of PWM several years back. As you can see, PSM is a massive airport.



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Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting blr380 (Reply 31):
PWM gets LEED Gold certified. Nice to know that this is the second airport (after SFO) in the United States to achieve this certification. Kudos to all the great work in revamping the airport - looks great! Still waiting for some takers for the empty gates (WN r u hearing us?)

It was also ranked most affordable airport in New England this past spring. I haven't traveled to BOS to catch a flight in about six years. It's always been same price or cheaper out of PWM. Even going international.

PWM Most Affordable Airport in Region-May 25,2012

http://www.portlandjetport.org/news/...irfares-are-more-affordable-boston

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 26):


DL's got daily A319 service from PWM-LGA now, and from what I hear they're going to be replacing the MD-88 with the A320 down to ATL.

Portland has not had any mainline DL service other than the MD-88 since 1999. (And, the 737-200 for a very brief period around 2003) When they discontinued the morning 727 flying PWM-ALB-ATL during fall 1999, we've been primarily an all MD-88 station ever since. Interesting to see a new type coming in for DL, but I'd rather see the loud, smoky -88's at PWM than the Airbuses.

[Edited 2012-06-27 11:18:57]
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 35):
Its not the unemployment is the airline consolidation and 15%+ reduction in seats... The UA/CO merger has resulted in a sharp loss in seats, plus fallout from the LGA/DCA slot swap and WN's lack of growth overall as an airline.

Hardly anythign RI specific but more the industry in general, BOS is up thanks to competition from B6, WN and NK, but some of those things like NK-DFW and the B6 response may be short lived as NK is already cutting DFW, and BOS-PHX on WN (which elicited a B6 response) is also being dropped.

BOS-PHX is being dropped in favor of adding BOS-BNA, so it's not a loss in seats.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 36):
Most of these flights have been coming out of Dover or McGuire AFB en-route to Germany. Therefore, it's safe to assume these are military charters?

Interesting the McGuire and Dover flight(s) would stop in BGR on the outbound leg of the journey unless they had an inflight emergency in that they originated 600 or so miles to the south. It seems to me BGR would be used for flights originating in Europe or the U.K. flying to the U.S.
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 38):
BOS-PHX is being dropped in favor of adding BOS-BNA, so it's not a loss in seats.

But still overall I think you will see competition slowly wane at BOS.... i.e. WN abandoning PHX/PHL, AA/DL retrenching to core markets etc.

One interesting thing is this fall PVD will have the only flight west of the Rockies outside of BOS (LAS).
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:56 am

LEB had a rare visitor last week an LC-130H to take ACE camp kids up for a spin around Vermont and New Hampshire.



Some other good news up here, a lease has been signed for the restaurant space in the main terminal, no word on when it will open, Signal Aviation will be under new local management and changing its name to Granite Air Center, and our new flight school will be starting a part 135 charter operation with a Cessna 421.
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:34 pm

There's a lot of talk about BGR in this thread which reminded me of an article about the diversions they get.

http://tinyurl.com/79yvm8g

They seem very well prepared for this type of thing.
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:21 pm

The FedEx 757 that did the Memphis-Portland, Maine run this morning just flew down to Pease so it can be on static display during the big weekend air show there. It seems to make a lot of sense because that plane just sits all weekend in Portland anyway, after coming in from Memphis. Ordinarily the Saturday flight is operated by a 727-200, but since they knew they needed a 757 at Pease, they upgraded to a 757.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 43):

The FedEx 757 that did the Memphis-Portland, Maine run this morning just flew down to Pease so it can be on static display during the big weekend air show there. It seems to make a lot of sense because that plane just sits all weekend in Portland anyway, after coming in from Memphis. Ordinarily the Saturday flight is operated by a 727-200, but since they knew they needed a 757 at Pease, they upgraded to a 757.

I was wondering where it was today...
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:20 am

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 39):
Interesting the McGuire and Dover flight(s) would stop in BGR on the outbound leg of the journey unless they had an inflight emergency in that they originated 600 or so miles to the south. It seems to me BGR would be used for flights originating in Europe or the U.K. flying to the U.S.

The Southern Air 747s coming into Pease from short-distance airports (including, many times, O'Hare!) are doing so not because they need more fuel, but because maintenance needs to be done on them. They'll stay until the work is done, then go onto wherever they are needed (often Germany). I'm going to the Pease Air Show today so I will see if one is parked there. I doubt it, and even so...it wouldn't be a 'static display' aircraft.
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 45):
The Southern Air 747s coming into Pease from short-distance airports (including, many times, O'Hare!) are doing so not because they need more fuel, but because maintenance needs to be done on them. They'll stay until the work is done, then go onto wherever they are needed (often Germany). I'm going to the Pease Air Show today so I will see if one is parked there. I doubt it, and even so...it wouldn't be a 'static display' aircraft.

Fair enough. In my mind these have to be planned maintenance stops or freighters not carrying passengers. For the McGuire and BWI chartered flights with passengers aboard; many which are commercial airframes it must be a significant inconvenience for the passengers if they have to stop in BGR for maintenance on the outbound leg after only flying for an hour or so. I could see a ferry flight crossing the pond empty to originate a flight in Europe back to the U.S. although I understand commercial charter flights try to go out with people in both directions.

I've flown Air Force gray metal as a passenger from Hickam AFB in Hawaii to Travis AFB in north central Cali. On one flight we were 1/3 (roughly 2 hours) in flight out of Hono over the pacific. The aircraft commander opted to turn back to Hickam in lieu of continuing to Travis. I guess two hours back is better than flying four hours forward with nothing but ocean below you. This flight taught me military metal follows the ETOPS guidelines whether or not they have too.

I would think Air Force metal originating at Dover AFB would turn back to Dover as Dover is the largest AFB on the east coast and Travis AFB on the left coast. Both bases see a lot of C-5 Galaxy and C-17. As military metal goes a spotters paradise.
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:57 am

With a C-5 or a C-17, 'more fuel' is simply a matter of hooking up with a KC-10 or KC-135 up around northern Maine; there are several refueling tracks around northern New England. So they wouldn't need to land because of that. The Southern Air 747s that routinely come into Pease are there for maintenance; Pease has a contract with the airline. In fact, I was at the Pease show yesterday and a Southern Air 744 was there.

I wish it were easier for me to keep track of the AF C-5s & C-17s ('REACH' flights) that come through Bangor & Pease. They never show up on FlightAware, but the Bangor Yahoo Group I founded has members who diligently keep track of their comings & goings. In fact, one member from Europe alerts the rest of us when something interesting is coming our way!
 
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 47):
I wish it were easier for me to keep track of the AF C-5s & C-17s ('REACH' flights) that come through Bangor & Pease. They never show up on FlightAware

Yeah I checked KSUU (Travis AFB) KDOV (Dover AFB) and KEDF (Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage Alaska). Although a lot of charter flights are shown; military metal appears absent in flightaware. Years ago it did populate. I did see a Southern Air 747 yesterday which originated at KSUU flew to KANC down to Aleutains to Kadena AFB Japan.

If you don't already have it Live ATC chat is available here http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=all KBGR is on the list. I would think you would be able to pick up some of the military squawk. Also if you have a VHF/UHF radio those frequencies are listed in airnav.com
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RE: Official New England Aviation Thread #13

Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 48):
If you don't already have it Live ATC chat is available here http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=all KBGR is on the list. I would think you would be able to pick up some of the military squawk. Also if you have a VHF/UHF radio those frequencies are listed in airnav.com

Yes! I'm quite familiar with LiveATC.net and helped the founder out when I worked for Apple. He lives nearby me here in southern NH and I got him several iPad2s when they first came out and were tough to get. He was building out his mobile app. It's probably one of my favorite aviation web sites, in addition to this one as well as PlaneFinder.net and FlightAware!

I live too far from Bangor to pick up anything over a radio, and besides, streaming feeds almost eliminate the 'need' to have one...unless you're at an air show like I was this past weekend at Pease!

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