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UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:21 pm

Additional frequencies to EWR and IAH from CVG, although CLE is cut.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/17...ti-Northern-Ky-airport-3601694.php
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:35 pm

I can't believe this is worthy of a press release.

They cut 14 weekly flights and added 17 weekly flights for a net gain of 3 flights.

Oh, and they also lost a destination that was previously served.

What a joke
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:49 pm

I guess CVG is desperate for anything positive, they want to promote what they're doing (moving carriers to A etc..).
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Isn't that the long-running theme at UA? Trim domestic and shift capacity to international whenever possible ? Trimming CLE in favor of EWR/IAH feels exactly that.

Bringing ORD/IAD on board also helped reduce dependence on CLE for midwest and mid-atlantic traffic. Sad state to be cutting a destination, but we've all anticipated the downhill slope of CLE from Day 1.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:16 pm

I'm surprised our resident PHX/CVG advocate hasn't chimed in yet....

Anyhoo, yeah much ado about nothing. The bigger news will come when/if someone starts adding more 2-class RJ or mainline service to CVG, I think.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:20 pm

Just typical news outlets. A few weeks ago Philly.com reported that US was adding TA service from PHL when it was just the normal seasonal upgrades that US has done for years.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):

You bring up ORD/IAD yet the service adds are to EWR/IAH? You actually kind of disprove your point. The CVG-CLE service was operating for CO/UA for a whole amazing 2 years. Let's not get to giddy about the downfall of CLE yet.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:50 pm

As a side note, I overnighted in CVG a couple weeks back and the terminal renovations look great. We used to park at Terminal 1 but now we're over at Concourse A and it's very nice. It brought back a lot of nostalgia as well because I remember being there when I first got hired at OH and went for training. That was back when DL used to run 767s from ATL to CVG. Times have changed, unfortunately but it was great to be back and see the airport is taking care of the concourse!
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 6):
You bring up ORD/IAD yet the service adds are to EWR/IAH? You actually kind of disprove your point. The CVG-CLE service was operating for CO/UA for a whole amazing 2 years. Let's not get to giddy about the downfall of CLE yet.

ORD/IAD is more for domestic. EWR is for EMEA, and IAH is for Latin America. Overlap is not high.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 6):
The CVG-CLE service was operating for CO/UA for a whole amazing 2 years. Let's not get to giddy about the downfall of CLE yet.


Agreed. Even at the "height" of the CLE hub, CO did not operate CVG service, or did so intermittently.

The much-maligned United CFO, John Rainey, is on the record noting that CLE is a "good hub" currently, with about the right amount of capacity for demand. It is very O&D-oriented, which is good for yields, and the market is not highly competitive. I don't expect UA to cut CLE much more than they already have.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:03 pm

Its kind of a sad time for CVG but they want to show they are trying. The move to A at least will make the airport feel better and less dead i think plus its so much nicer. They have tons of room for other carriers to come in or expand and can keep delta payments rolling in on B
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 1):
What a joke
Quoting LHCVG (Reply 4):
Anyhoo, yeah much ado about nothing.

You should have seen the article a few months ago that called it a "coup" for the airport when DL added a frequency to ATL and DTW!

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 4):
The bigger news will come when/if someone starts adding more 2-class RJ or mainline service to CVG, I think.

I agree, but an add is an add and when you've practically been seeing nothing but service reductions at CVG, any type of service addition is somewhat refreshing. I too am anxious for possible mainline additions, but the article doesn't specify the type of aircraft so there very well could be some 2-class RJ's in the mix. Also, I believe CVG is still a mainline station for UA...so you never know.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:26 pm

So I'm guessing a few more ERJs to boot?
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):

Again, see what you want to see on this. There isn't much there.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):

I read about that too. Certainly sounded positive about CLE. Nice to see it coming from the horse's mouth.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
Additional frequencies to EWR and IAH from CVG, although CLE is cut.

Well it's really not surprising seeing the CLE cut to me.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
I guess CVG is desperate for anything positive, they want to promote what they're doing (moving carriers to A etc..).

Exactly. I'm pretty happy to see any sort of increase.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 4):
I'm surprised our resident PHX/CVG advocate hasn't chimed in yet....

LOL!    went right over me until I saw it on the front page.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 11):
I agree, but an add is an add and when you've practically been seeing nothing but service reductions at CVG, any type of service addition is somewhat refreshing. I too am anxious for possible mainline additions, but the article doesn't specify the type of aircraft so there very well could be some 2-class RJ's in the mix. Also, I believe CVG is still a mainline station for UA...so you never know.

You're correct that CVG sees at least 1 mainline UA RON, and supposedly more at some times though I haven't seen that in my real or dummy bookings back home yet. My general thrust was that I personally believe that when a carrier commits to use either a large 2-class RJ or a mainline flight, they are putting more chips on the table than just adding another 50-seater. But yes more service is more service, and that can't hurt.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:33 am

Gee, this is so funny, I thought UA was going to be REDUCING service at IAH....
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 11):
Also, I believe CVG is still a mainline station for UA...so you never know.

  

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 12):

Since CVG to both EWR and IAH are mainline according to FlightAware, I would expect some more 737s and A319s instead of ERJs. But if I hadn't checked, I, like you, would have thought that CVG saw regional service from UA's hubs.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:15 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17):
Since CVG to both EWR and IAH are mainline according to FlightAware, I would expect some more 737s and A319s instead of ERJs. But if I hadn't checked, I, like you, would have thought that CVG saw regional service from UA's hubs.

For a while, service between CVG and ORD was also mainline.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:38 am

With the reductions at CVG wouldn't anoth,er carrier want to look at building even a focus city there, with a great facility and plently of space. Could WN or B6 or NK , be making a good move by using CVG as a great connecting point to the east? It is less plagued by bad weather and a nicer facility than CLE. With companies like Toyota and Chiquita based in Cinncinnati ot seems there would be a fair amount of O/D, IMO.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:41 am

With the reductions at CVG wouldn't another carrier want to look at building even a focus city there, with a great facility and plently of space. Could WN or B6 or NK , be making a good move by using CVG as a great connecting point to the east? It is less plagued by bad weather and a nicer facility than CLE. With companies like Toyota and Chiquita based in Cinncinnati ot seems there would be a fair amount of O/D, IMO.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17):
Since CVG to both EWR and IAH are mainline according to FlightAware,

Not sure what you are seeing in FlightAware, but UA flies both routes using ERJs and an occasional CRJ700.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17):

Yeah I think you got it backwards. The only mainline into CVG on United is a 320 to ORD.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17):
Since CVG to both EWR and IAH are mainline according to FlightAware, I would expect some more 737s and A319s instead of ERJs. But if I hadn't checked, I, like you, would have thought that CVG saw regional service from UA's hubs.

For a while, service between CVG and ORD was also mainline.

It still is technically, UA still operates a daily mainline flight on the route.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 19):
With the reductions at CVG wouldn't anoth,er carrier want to look at building even a focus city there, with a great facility and plently of space.

The potential is definitely there, CVG is in a great position to pull traffic from other surrounding cities, but the airport and community should first focus on just bringing in an LCC to begin with before any speculation about focus cities.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 15):
My general thrust was that I personally believe that when a carrier commits to use either a large 2-class RJ or a mainline flight, they are putting more chips on the table than just adding another 50-seater.

True, and I would agree, but with EWR being as slot-constrained as it is, dedicating 6 frequencies to CVG I think definitely means something.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 23):
Quoting LHCVG (Reply 15):My general thrust was that I personally believe that when a carrier commits to use either a large 2-class RJ or a mainline flight, they are putting more chips on the table than just adding another 50-seater.
True, and I would agree, but with EWR being as slot-constrained as it is, dedicating 6 frequencies to CVG I think definitely means something.

Agreed!
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
With companies like Toyota and Chiquita based in Cinncinnati ot seems there would be a fair amount of O/D, IMO.

Chiquita is no longer based in CVG. They moved to CLT.
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
jporterfi
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 21):
jporterfi
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):

My apologies. I was mistakenly looking at EWR and IAH to CLE in FlightAware, instead of CVG. You are right, flights from EWR and IAH are ERJ, while flights from ORD are a mix of mainline, CR7, and ERJ. DEN and IAD are CRJs as far as I can tell.
 
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RE: UA Increasing CVG Service

Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 26):
DEN and IAD are CRJs as far as I can tell.

One would think that they would add DEN as well, so that now they'll be more possible connects for the DEN-NRT flight.


 
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 26):
DEN and IAD are CRJs as far as I can tell.
Quoting point2point (Reply 27):
One would think that they would add DEN as well, so that now they'll be more possible connects for the DEN-NRT flight.

I'm surprised that a CRJ can run the DEN-CVG route. It doesn't sound right to me, I mean, how could an aircraft like that do a route to a high airport like DEN?

Do you think that SFO would have a route soon too?
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