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Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:38 pm

Fedex announced today it would permanently retire from service 50 aircraft. 18 A310-s, 6 MD-10s, and 26 B727s are planned to be withdrawn by 2013.

Carrier will take a $134mil impairment charge.

Additionally carrier will accelerate the retirement of 32 MD-10s, 18 A310s and 4 B727s to align them better with future delivery schedules of 757 and 767 freighters.

Story:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fedex-...ircraft-retirements-202600049.html

In other news, carrier announced it plans to establish a regional hub at Kansai International Airport by spring 2014.
The carrier plans to develop a 25,000 sq meter facility that will operate around the clock to provide added intra-Asia Pacific capacity supplementing its existing primary hub at Guangzhou China.

Story:
http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Car...x-to-establish-japanese-hub/317299

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Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:46 pm

FTA: "The B767 will provide similar capacity as the MD10s, with improved reliability, an approximate 30% increase in fuel efficiency and a minimum of a 20% reduction in unit operating costs. "
I thought the MD-10 was significantly larger than the 767.
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:52 pm

How many 727 are currently in service?
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:53 pm

The MD10 is larger than the 767-300. The capacity will be "similar" though not quite as much, maybe a tiny bit more than the A300. The more important thing is the dispatch reliability factor. The MD10s are old, and break down frequently. A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:08 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.

Thanks for this insight---what about the A-310's? Sadly some of the A-310's have seen very low hours since their conversion in Dresden and are now being parked or are already parked..... I looked at the entire A-310 fleet and they have parked as many newer models as older models---incredibly the the A-310 prototype (which came from Swissair) is stiill flying for them while much newer models are parked and a number derelict or broken up.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
Thanks for this insight---what about the A-310's? Sadly some of the A-310's have seen very low hours since their conversion in Dresden and are now being parked or are already parked..... I looked at the entire A-310 fleet and they have parked as many newer models as older models---incredibly the the A-310 prototype (which came from Swissair) is stiill flying for them while much newer models are parked and a number derelict or broken up.

The A310 is going the same direction as the A318 is for passenger airlines. Its capacity shortcomings due to its relatively small size in combination with the high fuel prices mean the niche for the 310 to be necessary is shrinking. It burns almost as much fuel as the A300 and demands the same number of ground crew yet carries notably less cargo so the profit margin takes a hit moreso than it would for other aircraft.

The 310 is being squeezed in terms of volume between the 757 and the A300 (and soon the 767). The FX Airbus planes are also being converted to be able to carry the new 767 ULDs and that also may have been a factor in deciding to park them with such frequency. For what it's worth the Airbus also has a reputation as being a relative maintenance hog for FX, although I don't know if that is more due to the A300 or the A310.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:38 pm

How old are their oldest MD-10's/11's?
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:46 pm

If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator. Pleas correct me if I am wrong.
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
How old are their oldest MD-10's/11's?

Some of the 10s are VERY old. Early 1970s. Some of them are over 40 years old.
The 11s are much newer, on average a good 15 years newer. Also much more reliable in my experience. Thank goodness we will see those 11s flying for many more years, they are beautiful planes.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
I thought the MD-10 was significantly larger than the 767.

In terms of raw volume, the 767-300F clocks in at about 438m3, which is not terribly less than a DC-10-30F's 470m3. The DC-10-30F does have a solid payload weight advantage (70t vs. 54t), but I would expect FX runs out of payload space before they run out of payload weight.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
In terms of raw volume, the 767-300F clocks in at about 438m3, which is not terribly less than a DC-10-30F's 470m3. The DC-10-30F does have a solid payload weight advantage (70t vs. 54t), but I would expect FX runs out of payload space before they run out of payload weight.

Correct, at least on domestic flights volume is maxed out long before max weight is ever approached.

Also keep in mind that since ULDs are used to load freight, raw volume must be taken with a grain of salt. FX needs to use smaller ULDs on the 767 than they can fit on the MD because of fuselage width.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:00 pm

The end of the FDX A310 & 722 is pretty much
now official with this announcement- Sad.  

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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:06 pm

I'm not super sad about either. The Bus is not especially pretty compared to the other planes FX flies and has its multitude of shortcomings. The 727 I will miss more, mainly because it's just so damn cool to see taking off into the evening sky.

The 757 is indeed a gorgeous and very capable plane in its own right as a replacement. I'll be much more emotional the day FX retires its last MD11. This will be the end of an era though, no doubt.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:10 pm

Off topic, but when I'm at the ANC ramp I see roughly 3-4 T7's and at least 4-7 DC and MD 10's and 11's there parked at various times. I know the t7's are Int'l bound but where in AK do they smaller MD's and DC's travel to?   
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:16 pm

ANC does have its own flights that are not there for international purposes. Some of the 10s/11s are there for that, although the 11s do stop there on the way to Asia and back. ANC is a big transload point so some 11s may come from, say, KIX to ANC and turn back to ICN etc. That's just a theoretical example, might not even be real.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:55 pm

Kansai convincing Fedex to establish a regional hub is a good win.
This follows on both DHL having turned KIX into its Japan gateway back in 2008 or so with large facilities, and also TNT established its North Asia express facility at the airport around the same time.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 13):
know the t7's are Int'l bound but where in AK do they smaller MD's and DC's travel to?

Here is a sample schedule for ANC - tomorrow 05 June.

ANC-EWR 77F
ANC-IND 77F
ANC-KIX-PEK M11
ANC-MEM 3x M11
ANC-NRT-PVG 77F
ANC-OAK M11
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:57 pm

There are many MD-11 and DC-10 flights from Anchorage to primary markets in the US. They could come from Asia, but they also do fly up and turn.

First Overnight and Priority Overnight wouldn't work quite as well without them.

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Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:39 am

Sad for the A310's. My friends from PA said "it was quite the machine" and they made money with them. It's a true wide body- the 763, not quite. However, boxes don't care!
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:18 am

We only see Md-10's, A300's, and 757's on occaison in ANC. The Md10 is the most frequent of those three but definitely not on a daily basis. Md11's and 777's galore.

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Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Fedex announced today it would permanently retire from service 50 aircraft. 18 A310-s, 6 MD-10s, and 26 B727s are planned to be withdrawn by 2013.

None of the aircraft being retired are a surprise. I am surprised FedEx is willing to take the 'impairment charge.' Are they expected to loose money anyway? Or will they make enough to stay in the black for the quarter and year?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The carrier plans to develop a 25,000 sq meter facility that will operate around the clock to provide added intra-Asia Pacific capacity supplementing its existing primary hub at Guangzhou China.

This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
FTA: "The B767 will provide similar capacity as the MD10s, with improved reliability, an approximate 30% increase in fuel efficiency and a minimum of a 20% reduction in unit operating costs. "

In the long run, FedEx will save quite a bit of cash.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.

But these were already stored aircraft... FedEx would have to order even more 767s to replace all the MD10s. There is no doubt that new build 767s would help operations, but I do not see the cost justification of replacing the full MD10 fleet for a while.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 7):
If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator.

I'm not sure... I do know that when Fedex retires the type the support economics for the 727 will be very poor.

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Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:36 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
In other news, carrier announced it plans to establish a regional hub at Kansai International Airport by spring 2014.

This has to be the best thing to happen to KIX since....it was built?
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

Same reason MEM is not the only FX hub in the United States. There is IND as the number two hub, and also regional hubs at AFW, OAK, EWR...This new hub will streamline ops in the Japan/Korea area, CAN will still be the big one in East Asia overall.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
But these were already stored aircraft... FedEx would have to order even more 767s to replace all the MD10s. There is no doubt that new build 767s would help operations, but I do not see the cost justification of replacing the full MD10 fleet for a while.

Not all the 10s are clunkers. You are right, but I think FX will probably try to finally park the remainder of the 10-30s which have been dwindling away anyway, and ditch the few (I think six-ish) really ancient 10-10s they still have flying around.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting bigbird (Reply 7):
If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator. Pleas correct me if I am wrong.

Possibly - when is the last FedEx 727 scheduled for retirement?

FedEx has been operating the 727 since 1978 - a total of 34 years. Northwest flew them from 1964 to 2003, a total of 39 years so they have a ways to go.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

I can't speak specifically for FDX, but flying as a foreign cargo carrier in China can be a pain. Generally, the ATC facilities are over burdened, especially when there's weather in the area. Routes are so restricted, especiallyfor foreign carriers that we're allowed to fly one way, and one way only, regardless of weather. Add to that, the Chinese give departure preferrence to Chinese carriers, then foreign pax, then lowly American boxhaulers. I'd also guess that it helps that US carriers have more leeway in beyond rights in Japan than China (Hence UAL/NWAs hubs there)

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 22):
FedEx has been operating the 727 since 1978 - a total of 34 years. Northwest flew them from 1964 to 2003, a total of 39 years so they have a ways to go.

in my experience, B727's are built like tanks. Great for freighters, esp the re-engined ones. ANd you can get a lot on them for the size. ALways hated that far back belly though. The advantage wih the 727's were they didn't have a lot of the electronics the Airbii and MD's have that like to randomly stop working. I'll miss 727's when their gone from the skies, but 3 engines/3 pilots cost a lot.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:13 am

With the establishment of the new hub at KIX, will FedEx shift some of its international operations (specifically from ANC) to KIX? It seems to make more sense because it is closer to ANC, and it seems to be a waste of time for packages bound for Asia to be sent to CAN and then back to KIX. Please excuse my ignorance: I'm not very familiar with cargo operations.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:23 am

Does anyone know what the chances are of seeing the 757s on the BQN runs from IND and GSO in the future? The routes are currently op by MD10s and A310s.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:59 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 24):
With the establishment of the new hub at KIX, will FedEx shift some of its international operations (specifically from ANC) to KIX? It seems to make more sense because it is closer to ANC, and it seems to be a waste of time for packages bound for Asia to be sent to CAN and then back to KIX. Please excuse my ignorance: I'm not very familiar with cargo operations.

Absolutely. It's supposed to simplify intra-Asia ops so I would definitely think KIX will take over some of the transload business from ANC.

Quoting RobK (Reply 25):
Does anyone know what the chances are of seeing the 757s on the BQN runs from IND and GSO in the future? The routes are currently op by MD10s and A310s.

I was actually surprised to read that GSO actually has a flight to Puerto Rico, seeing as GSO was built to be that Southeast regional hub but never opened as such due to the economic decline. As the 310s are parked you may very well see the 757 down there at some point, but it would totally depend on how much volume is coming in on those flights. If that 310 is usually bulked out then an upgauge to A300 may be in order instead of a downgrade to 757.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:12 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 24):
it seems to be a waste of time for packages bound for Asia to be sent to CAN and then back to KIX.

The purpose of a regional hub such as KIX is to bypass intercontinental hubs like CAN. While some packages may go through KIX and CAN, most will go through KIX or CAN. Apparently, KIX's role will be to connect North Asia and the US, probably with flights between KIX and ANC, MEM and/or OAK. Packages between North Asia and elsewhere in the world will transit through CAN.

What FedEx gets out of this is additional capacity at CAN that it can use to grow its other markets.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
I am surprised FedEx is willing to take the 'impairment charge.'

I don't understand this statement. The impairment charge is just a consequence of a decision. It was deemed cheaper to get rid of those planes than paying for them year over year. It would be more expensive to bleed it out slowly.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:22 pm

Quoting fxra (Reply 23):
I'd also guess that it helps that US carriers have more leeway in beyond rights in Japan than China (Hence UAL/NWAs hubs there)

A bit off topic, but I assume there are no cabotage rules for cargo? In other words, I assume an American carrier could operate intra- and inter-country freight operations in non-U.S. countries? Or am I wrong?

Is there a customs issue? Does freight have to pay excise taxes in every country it departs from on its voyage?

Guangzhou must be an interesting and crowded freight facility. Many electronic devices I have ordered online have started their gourney from the Guangzhou free economic zone!
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:58 pm

Are not some of the B727's the last new manufacture before Boeing shut down the line?
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting skymiler (Reply 30):
Are not some of the B727's the last new manufacture before Boeing shut down the line?

The last 15 B727's off the production line went to FedEx.

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Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 29):
A bit off topic, but I assume there are no cabotage rules for cargo? In other words, I assume an American carrier could operate intra- and inter-country freight operations in non-U.S. countries? Or am I wrong?

There certainly are restrictions on cargo carriage also. These authorities are handled in parallel manner as passenger negotiations in bilateral agreements.
There often are separate entire authorities, frequencies and slot allocation allowances for cargo ops.

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 29):
Is there a customs issue? Does freight have to pay excise taxes in every country it departs from on its voyage?

Again, yes there are custom issues country to country. In most part transit materials stay "in-bond", so there is no local inspection or charges, but there often is a long documentation trail required for shipments depending on their type.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 31):

Their are only five of the last built 727 fling with FedEx. With 39 active 727 they will be around until 2014. It will be a race to the end for the 727 and the 310 but I think the A310 will be around a little longer.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:06 pm

It is great news for KIX, but is it for FedEx? The main reason KIX did not grow as planned was because it had some of the highest landing fees in the world. Did FedEx get some sort of a rebate? If so others will want a "me too." If not this will be one expensive hub to operate.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 34):
If not this will be one expensive hub to operate.

Fedex these days is looking at every penny they spend so I'm pretty confident they see a good profit margin at KIX, high landing fees notwithstanding.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 34):
It is great news for KIX, but is it for FedEx? The main reason KIX did not grow as planned was because it had some of the highest landing fees in the world. Did FedEx get some sort of a rebate? If so others will want a "me too." If not this will be one expensive hub to operate.

I could imagine that with the addition of FedEx and the increased movements, KIX could afford to negotiate lower fees for FedEx...maybe once they get established and that extra revenue kicks in for KIX, maybe the could lower the landing fees across the board...
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:46 pm

Slightly off-topic, but do those 727s still use a 3-people crew with flight engineer and JT8D-s?
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 37):
Slightly off-topic, but do those 727s still use a 3-people crew with flight engineer and JT8D-s?

Yes, but Raisbeck Stage 3 Noise Reduction Systems hush kits were added in the 1990s.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:29 pm

You guys better get busy snapping pics of the 722's while they're still here. The 310's...............eh!

Really hate seeing the sun setting on the 727's. What a tremendous airplane.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
6 MD-10s

How many are left in the fleet?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
26 B727s

I expected to see these shed sooner or later. The 757 conversions do the job much better.

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 34):
It is great news for KIX, but is it for FedEx? The main reason KIX did not grow as planned was because it had some of the highest landing fees in the world. Did FedEx get some sort of a rebate? If so others will want a "me too." If not this will be one expensive hub to operate.

When I read this I half-expected the NRT operations to grow to "hub" levels, given NRT's position, so KIX getting the go-ahead is a little surprising for me. Are there sufficient cargo facilities at KIX ?
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
How many are left in the fleet?

Airfleets shows 70 active, 23 stored (of which I doubt they will ever come out at this point). Don't know how accurate that is.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
I expected to see these shed sooner or later. The 757 conversions do the job much better.

I think it's just a matter of how many 757s FX can get their hands on. They can only be acquired and converted so fast...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
When I read this I half-expected the NRT operations to grow to "hub" levels, given NRT's position, so KIX getting the go-ahead is a little surprising for me. Are there sufficient cargo facilities at KIX ?

It doesn't take a whole lot of room to establish a regional hub on the scale of an OAK or AFW, and KIX appears to have sufficient room already.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting fxra (Reply 23):
I'll miss 727's when their gone from the skies, but 3 engines/3 pilots cost a lot.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 27):
Apparently, KIX's role will be to connect North Asia and the US, probably with flights between KIX and ANC, MEM and/or OAK. Packages between North Asia and elsewhere in the world will transit through CAN.

Thank you. That was the type of answer I was looking for.

Quoting cmf (Reply 28):
The impairment charge is just a consequence of a decision. It was deemed cheaper to get rid of those planes than paying for them year over year.

I agree the charge is just a consequence of the decision. However, FedEx could have delayed the charge. Hence I wonder 'why now.' Just idle curiosity.   FedEx needs quite a large 'part time seasonal fleet' and is expanding in Asia (e.g., KIX). But then again, FedEx has a decent numbered stored (many seasonal).

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 41):
I think it's just a matter of how many 757s FX can get their hands on. They can only be acquired and converted so fast...

It is also a cost per year basis. A converted 752 has expensive financing to pay parked or flying. A 722 has higher variable costs, but the fixed costs are incredibly low. I expect FedEx to work to avoid 722 D-checks soon (not yet, but within 5 years). That will set the clock for the fleet "sunset."

I expect FedEx has financial models on the 757 conversion rate. Soon we will have AA and later DL and UA replacing their 752s in bulk. That will free up a large number of frames for conversion. That should help FedEx decide to switch to an all 757 fleet.

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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
I agree the charge is just a consequence of the decision. However, FedEx could have delayed the charge. Hence I wonder 'why now.' Just idle curiosity.

I think that is where the "depreciation" thing comes in. I don't know enough about finances to say, but from what I gather, it would cost more to wait and do it later. The FX employee website goes into a bit more detail on it all, but it is mentioned in the Yahoo Finance article.
 
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 40):
How many are left in the fleet?

I believe 68 MD-10 are left flying.
 
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
Hence I wonder 'why now.' Just idle curiosity.

Better to bite the bullet than paying more by spreading it out over longer time.  
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 38):
Yes, but Raisbeck Stage 3 Noise Reduction Systems hush kits were added in the 1990s.

NO..!! Raisbeck Stage 3 Noise Reduction Systems hush kits


YES..!! PWA (Pratt & Whitney) and FedEx hush kits were added to the JT8D-15,-15A,-17,-17A Powerplants (on B722s)

Even the now long departed B727-100s had PWA/FedEx hush kits.

Having the FedEx B722s disappear from the skies will make plane spotting different.

At one time (IIRC), FedEx had 55 ea. B721s and 110 ea. B722s; 165 total...

I can still tell when a DC/MD10 goes overhead; the different Fan sound ...
 
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:51 am

Awww I'll be sad to see the 727 fly off into history... I still think it's got one of the "sexiest" silhouettes of any jetliner. What a workhorse, too! I'd say its the closest thing the jet age got to the DC-3!

[Edited 2012-06-05 18:51:31]
 
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 44):
I believe 68 MD-10 are left flying.

Is this the last operator of the MD10?
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RE: Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub

Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
Is this the last operator of the MD10?

It's the ONLY operator of the MD-10
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