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When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:27 pm

Does anyone know when B6 is scheduled to receive there first A321 and what routes they will use it for. From what I know the A321 has less range than the A320......
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:43 pm

Deliveries for the A321 are slated for 2013.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Thread starter):

Most likely NY to MCO and FLL. Probably SDQ as well.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 1):

Deliveries for the A321 are slated for 2013.

Out of curiosity, when in 2013?

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 2):
Most likely NY to MCO and FLL. Probably SDQ as well.

I would expect a JFK base and rotation as demand warrants. MCO and FLL will see them a bunch!

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:27 am

Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:37 am

Any idea as to how many seats and the split between extra legroom Y seats and standard Y seats? Jetblue's A320s have a total of 150 seats(42 Y at 38" pitch and 108 Y at 34" pitch).

Going by the nearly 13 foot additional length of A321, I expect it to have 180 seats. Jetblue should end up with the following aircraft capacity: 100(E190), 150(A320), and 180(A321) seats.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 4):
Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?

I'll believe the first ones are actually regular A321s with Sharklets
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:49 am

Quoting columba (Reply 6):

Will the Sharklets give more range so JetBlue could fly JFK-LAX non-stop with their A321s?
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):

Can't the normal A321 do that trip?

Didn't BMED offer A321 service between UK and Iran?

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:56 am

They have struggled during the winter months to do JFK-LGB with the A320, most likely due to winds.

The standard A321 has less range than the A320, as it is a stretch with less fuel capacity. The A319 is the long range family member.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:14 am

I think with the winglets it will be fine (sharklets)
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:17 am

Wiki quotes the A320 range at 3,200 miles and the A321 at 3,000. Airbus says the sharklets will give the A321 about 120 more miles. So, it will come up short, using the B6 example.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:11 am

As it has been pointed out elsewhere, JK used to fly 321s on HEL-LPA (2920 mi) and BD on LHR-IKA (2754 mi), both much longer than JFK-LGB (2465 mi).
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):
Will the Sharklets give more range so JetBlue could fly JFK-LAX non-stop with their A321s?

I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.

It's blown way out of proportion here on A-Net.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:07 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 14):
It's blown way out of proportion here on A-Net.

Actually it is pretty accurate, the range of an aircraft decreases with increase in payload. For an aircraft like the A320 would be weight restricted flying transcon and the other long routes mentioned that are/were flown by the A321. This weight restriction would make space for more fuel to be carried onboard the aircraft to fly the required. However, as with the case of some 757 transatlantic flights during winter months, headwinds can get pretty strong reducing the ground speed of the aircraft, hence resulting in a longer flight time and more fuel being burned over the same distance even with the weight restriction and hence the need for fuel stops along these routes during those periods.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:17 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 15):
Actually it is pretty accurate, the range of an aircraft decreases with increase in payload. For an aircraft like the A320 would be weight restricted flying transcon and the other long routes mentioned that are/were flown by the A321. This weight restriction would make space for more fuel to be carried onboard the aircraft to fly the required. However, as with the case of some 757 transatlantic flights during winter months, headwinds can get pretty strong reducing the ground speed of the aircraft, hence resulting in a longer flight time and more fuel being burned over the same distance even with the weight restriction and hence the need for fuel stops along these routes during those periods.

That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.

I was replying to the A320 part of his reply, but either way the same applies for the A321.

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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:21 pm

Was just checking my flight log;
May 2010 I flew PHL-LAX on a US 321, flight time, takeoff-landing, was 5:21.
Not as long as the sectors mentioned in reply 12, then again I don't know how the jetstream affects those flights.
For B6, the 321 on IAD-LGB should be no problem.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:31 pm

Considering that B6 is building capacity at SJU, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent a couple of A321s down here as well.
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 19):
Considering that B6 is building capacity at SJU, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent a couple of A321s down here as well.

You'll see them mostly on that route for one main reason. Cargo capacity. We'll be able to get lots more cargo going down there as SJU is a major cargo city from JFK and BOS.
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 20):
You'll see them mostly on that route for one main reason. Cargo capacity. We'll be able to get lots more cargo going down there as SJU is a major cargo city from JFK and BOS.

....unless ACTs are getting put in. Not sure if that is the case or not.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 4):
Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?

No, B6 did not order A321NEOs. Current order is for A320NEOs with deliveries starting in 2016 IIRC.

Quoting JBfan1 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know when B6 is scheduled to receive there first A321

Based on my knowledge we should see the first one fly in during the first quarter of 2013.

Quoting columba (Reply 6):
I'll believe the first ones are actually regular A321s with Sharklets

Based on my knowledge, ALL deliveries to B6 from Airbus starting in 2013 will have Sharklets. I believe the retrofit program also might start sometime in 2013, but not positive on that yet.

Hope that helps a little (I know, I didn't really release that much info LOL)

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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:32 pm

Since no one answered that i could see, (might have skip
ped over it) october 2013. 3 arrive 2013, then 10, 10, 7.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.

They do have the range, the problem as stated, are the headwinds going westbound, markedly in the winter time period. I don't think that's hard to understand or there's any need for drama behind that.

I for one, didn't understand why B6 didn't pick up a few A319s to do the transcons because of the headwind issues.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):

That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.

US flies them regularly between PHL/CLT-LAX & SFO as well as PHL-SEA. They did have issues early on when they didn't have the higher performance 200 series which US desperately needed for their transcons as well as operating longer, high demand routes out of hot PHX.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:52 pm

I too am interested to know where they will they will these birds too.

What is the current Airbus order for in terms of A32X sharlets and A32XNEO?
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 24):
I too am interested to know where they will they will these birds too.

Same place we send the majority of our capacity. BOS/JFK to MCO/FLL/SJU/SDQ
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 25):
Same place we send the majority of our capacity. BOS/JFK to MCO/FLL/SJU/SDQ

....or some places where we are very slot constrained where we might be able to consolidate a little by using the bigger a/c to free up some slots to increase the amount of destinations served. But, yes, bread-and-butter routes are going to be a definite.
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
They did have issues early on when they didn't have the higher performance 200 series which US desperately needed for their transcons as well as operating longer, high demand routes out of hot PHX.

Which higher performance A321s would those be? US has been operating the same 93t A321s with ACTs since they were first delivered in 2001, and the IAEs (without thrust bumping) actually provide slightly less power than their CFM counterparts. The post-merger deliveries are the same weight variant as the pre-merger aircraft, so that isn't it either.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:30 pm

Just had a TLC meeting in LGB today. The first A321 delivery is scheduled for Ocotber 2013. As of this posting all A321's are the classic variant. The A320 NEO will be sometime in 2014. Clarification was not made if the A321 will ship with factory installed sharklets, however, starting with A320 Tail 805JB (which is delivered?) all future deliveries will still come with the standard wing tip fences, but come already setup to accept the Sharklets. I was told that with these new mods, the Sharklets will more or less be bolted on.

B6 is looking to possible change some A321 future deliveries to A321 NEO but have not made a decision yet.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 28):
The A320 NEO will be sometime in 2014.

That would be quite a trick as the A320neo is not scheduled to enter service until late 2015.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 12):
As it has been pointed out elsewhere, JK used to fly 321s on HEL-LPA (2920 mi) and BD on LHR-IKA (2754 mi), both much longer than JFK-LGB (2465 mi).

Neither of these routes features anything near the intensity of winds that US transcons encounter in the winter. On JFK-LGB, the A321 would be fine most of the time but would struggle occasionally in the winter, on just a few more days than the A320.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 29):
That would be quite a trick as the A320neo is not scheduled to enter service until late 2015.

   I was wondering how they shaved 2 years off the last known delivery year LOL

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 28):
Clarification was not made if the A321 will ship with factory installed sharklets, however, starting with A320 Tail 805JB (which is delivered?) all future deliveries will still come with the standard wing tip fences, but come already setup to accept the Sharklets. I was told that with these new mods, the Sharklets will more or less be bolted on.

804 is here already, 805 isn't yet.

I am hoping that we haven't changed our tune with the winglets. The last update we got was that the 2013 deliveries and beyond were going to come with them, both A320 and A321's. It would only mean more aircraft to retrofit if they decided to go with fences for the deliveries...and with all the other things going on with a/c mods, the last thing we need to do is increase the time a plane is out of service to retrofit things. A plane doesn't make money sitting in a hangar getting modified...
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:09 am

Would the A321 NEO have more range than the classic A321?
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 31):

Airbus claims so, seeing the NEO will be sporting new engine technology and sharklets. The NEO is also to be a bit lighter.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 31):
Would the A321 NEO have more range than the classic A321?

Quite a bit more. The current thinking is that it will be able to do another 1 to 1.5 hours of flying time. It should have no problem at all with transcons and be able to take on Hawaii.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 31):
Would the A321 NEO have more range than the classic A321?

Yes. Aerlingus are considering them for Transatlantic flights.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):

Thats why I would think JetBlue would want the A321 NEO over the classic for transcon like JFK-LAX which is a lucarative route.
 
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RE: When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 30):
The last update we got was that the 2013 deliveries and beyond were going to come with them, both A320 and A321's. It would only mean more aircraft to retrofit if they decided to go with fences for the deliveries...and with all the other things going on with a/c mods, the last thing we need to do is increase the time a plane is out of service to retrofit things.

That is the theory, but as of right now Airbus has not received approval on the Sharklets. We were told that a/c older than 805JB would require the wing skin on the outer third of each wing to be removed and redone to retrofit existing A320's to accept the Sharklets

Quoting doulasc (Reply 31):
Would the A321 NEO have more range than the classic A321?

Yes it would, the geared turbofan will increase range. Jetblue will be utilizing auxillary fuel tanks as well. We were told that Sharklets, Geared turbofans and auxillary fuel tanks will give SA)">B6 definitive TATL and TPAC capabilities. If this is true then perhaps we begin to make an appearance further into SA and ink that interline deal with Azul most employees think is already a foregone conclusion. Rumor, but apparently this is already done dependant on either airline having a/c capable of flying into the same airport.

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