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AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:03 am

I'm starting this out with YYC, doing them by destination, and throwing them up as I finish, using the July 26th date FSDan is using in his other threads. A great thanks to FSDan for his other work, and for the inspiration:

YCG: 1x DH3
YXC: 1x DH1, 2x BEH
YEG: 1x CRJ, 15x DH3, 1x DH1
YMM: 1x CRA, 4x CRJ, 2x DH3
FRA: 1x 333
YQU: 4x DH3
IAH: 3x CRA
YKA: 2x DH3, 1x DH1
YLW: 4x DH3
LAS: 1x E90
YQL: 1x DH3, 1x DH1, 3x BEH
LHR: 1x 77W
LAX: 2x E90
YXH: 4x BEH
YUL: 1x 320, 1x 319, 2x E90
EWR: 1x 319
YOW: 3x E90
PDX: 1x CRJ
YQR: 4x CRJ
YXE: 6x CRJ
SEA: 2x CRJ
NRT: 1x 763
YYZ: 2x 321, 12x 320, 1x 319
YVR: 2x 319, 13x E90
YYJ: 4x CRJ
YXY: 2x CRJ
YWG: 3x CRA, 2x CRJ
YZF: 2x CRJ

Total: 1x 77W, 1x 333, 1x 763, 2x 321, 13x 320, 5x 319, 21x E90, 7x CRA, 28x CRJ, 29x DH3, 4x DH1, 9x BEH, 121x Total
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:34 am

Here's YUL:

YBG: 3x DH1
ZBF: 1x DH3, 1x DH1
BOS: 4x DH4, 2x CRJ
BRU: 1x 763
YYC: 1x 319, 3x E90
YYG: 3x DH4
ORD: 2x E75, 3x CRA
DEN: 1x 319
YEG: 1x 319, 1x E90
FLL: 1x 320
FRA: 1x 77W
YFC: 1x DH3, 2x DH1
GVA: 1x 763
YHZ: 2x 320, 3x E90, 1x CRA
BDL: 3x BEH
IAH: 1x CRA
YGR: 1x DH1
LAS: 1x 319
LHR: 1x 333
LAX: 3x 319
YQM: 3x DH4
YYY: 1x DH1
LGA: 1x 319, 6x E75
EWR: 1x DH4, 2x CRJ
MCO: 1x 320, 1x E90
YOW: 3x CRA, 1x CRJ, 2x DH3, 5x DH1
CDG: 1x 77W
PTP: 1x 319
YQB: 4x DH3, 12x DH1
FCO: 1x 763
YUY: 3x DH1
YSJ: 1x DH4, 1x DH3, 1x DH1
SFO: 1x 319
YZV: 2x DH1
YYT: 1x 319, 1x E90
YTZ: 15x DH4
YYZ: 3x 763, 4x 321, 7x 320, 4x 319, 1x CRA
YVO: 2x DH1
YVR: 5x 320, 1x 319
DCA: 3x CRJ
YWG: 1x E90, 1x E75, 1x CRA

Total: 2x 77W, 1x 333, 6x 763, 4x 321, 16x 320, 16x 319, 10x E90, 9x E75, 10x CRA, 27x DH4, 8x CRJ, 9x DH3, 33x DH1, 3x BEH, 154x Total
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:29 am

Before I do YYZ, one stupid question...how does Air Canada manage to fill a daily 767-300 to Bogota that leaves Toronto at 8 o'clock in the morning?

ALB: 2x BEH
ABE: 2x BEH
ATH: 1x 763
ATL: 3x CRA, 1x CRJ
BWI: 5x DH1
BCN: 1x 763
PEK: 1x 77W
BDA: 1x 319
BOG: 1x 763
BOS: 8x E75
BGI: 1x 319
YYC: 2x 321, 10x 320, 2x 319, 1x E90
CUN: 1x 319
CLT: 2x CRJ
YYG: 3x CRJ
ORD: 5x E75, 1x CRA
CVG: 2x CRJ
CLE: 3x DH1
CMH: 3x DH1
CPH: 1x 763
DFW: 3x CRA
YDF: 2x E90
DEN: 2x 319
DTW: 1x DH1, 3x BEH
DUB: 1x 763
YEG: 5x 320, 3x 319, 2x E90
FLL: 1x 321, 1x 319
YMM: 2x 320
FRA: 1x 77W, 1x 333
YFC: 5x DH4
YQX: 1x E90
GRR: 2x BEH
YHZ: 1x 763, 6x 320, 2x 319, 2x E90
MDT: 2x BEH
BDL: 1x DH1, 3x BEH
HAV: 1x E90
HKG: 1x 77L
IAH: 3x CRA
IND: 2x CRJ
MCI: 1x CRJ
YLW: 1x E90
KIN: 1x 319
YGK: 4x DH1, 2x BEH
LAS: 1x 321, 2x 319
LHR: 1x 77W, 1x 333, 3x 763
YXU: 2x DH4, 9x DH1
LAX: 2x 321, 2x 320, 2x 319
MAD: 1x 763
MEM: 1x CRJ
MEX: 2x 319
MIA: 1x E90
MKE: 2x CRJ
MSP: 3x CRJ
YQM: 5x DH4, 1x CRJ
MBJ: 1x 319
YUL: 3x 763, 3x 321, 7x 320, 5x 319, 1x CRA
MUC: 1x 333
BNA: 2x CRJ
NAS: 1x 319
MSY: 1x CRA
JFK: 3x CRJ
LGA: 2x 320, 4x 319, 3x E90, 5x E75
EWR: 4x E75, 2x CRA
YYB: 4x DH1
MCO: 1x 321, 1x 320, 1x 319
YOW: 4x 320, 6x 319, 6x E90, 1x E75
CDG: 1x 77W
PHL: 4x E75
PHX: 1x 320
PIT: 4x DH1
PWM: 2x BEH
PDX: 1x E90
PVD: 2x BEH
YQB: 7x DH4
RDU: 2x CRA, 1x CRJ
YQR: 1x E90, 3x E75
RIC: 2x BEH
ROC: 2x BEH
FCO: 1x 333
YSJ: 3x DH4
SAN: 1x 319
SFO: 2x 321, 2x 320, 1x 319
SCL: 1x 763
GRU: 1x 763
YZR: 4x BEH
YXE: 3x E90, 1x E75, 1x CRA
YAM: 2x DH4, 3x DH1
SEA: 2x E90
PVG: 1x 77L
YYT: 3x 320, 2x 319, 1x E90
STL: 2x CRJ
YSB: 1x DH4, 5x DH1
YQY: 1x CRA
SYR: 2x BEH
TPA: 1x 320
TLV: 1x 763
YQT: 5x DH4, 1x CRJ
YTS: 2x DH4, 3x DH1
NRT: 1x 77W
YVR: 1x 77L, 1x 333, 2x 763, 6x 321, 8x 320, 1x 319
YYJ: 1x 320, 2x E90
DCA: 4x E75, 1x CRJ
YQG: 3x DH4, 3x DH1
YWG: 4x 320, 1x 319, 4x E90
ZRH: 1x 333

Total: 5x 77W, 3x 77L, 6x 333, 18x 763, 18x 321, 59x 320, 44x 319, 34x E90, 35x E75, 18x CRA, 35x DH4, 28x CRJ, 48x DH1, 30x BEH, 381x Total
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:51 am

And last, but not least, YVR:

ANC: 1x 319
PEK: 1x 763
YYC: 1x 320, 2x 319, 12x E90
YCG: 3x DH3
YXC: 2x DH3
YEG: 1x 319, 8x E90
YMM: 1x CRJ
YXJ: 2x CRJ, 3x DH3
HKG: 1x 77W
HNL: 1x 763
YKA: 4x DH3, 1x DH1
YLW: 8x DH3
LAS: 1x E90
LHR: 1x 77W
LAX: 4x E90
MEX: 1x 319
YUL: 6x 320
YCD: 8x DH3
EWR: 1x 319
YOW: 2x 321, 1x E90
YYF: 3x DH3
PDX: 4x DH3
YXS: 6x DH3
YPR: 2x DH3
YQR: 2x CRJ
SAN: 1x E90
SFO: 4x E90
YZP: 1x DH3, 1x DH1
YXE: 2x CRJ
SEA: 7x DH3
ICN: 1x 763
PVG: 1x 763
YYD: 2x DH3
SYD: 1x 77L
YXT: 3x DH3, 1x DH1
NRT: 1x 77W
YYZ: 1x 77L, 1x 333, 2x 763, 6x 321, 7x 320, 2x 319
YYJ: 12x DH3, 8x DH1
YXY: 1x E90, 2x CRJ
YWG: 3x E90

Total: 3x 77W, 2x 77L, 1x 333, 6x 763, 8x 321, 14x 320, 8x 319, 35x E90, 9x CRJ, 68x DH3, 11x DH1, 165x Total
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:39 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
how does Air Canada manage to fill a daily 767-300 to Bogota that leaves Toronto at 8 o'clock in the morning?

Cargo. From what I understand is this flight is a 767 only because of the amount of cargo that is needed to be transported.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:41 pm

AC seems to be quite heavy on the RJ and turboprop flying on everything that is not international or hub-hub flying. Fairly impressive amount of long-haul flights, though.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:48 pm

Well done SHUPirate1, thank you so much!


Amazing....Air Canada flies 30 Beechcraft 1900 out of Toronto.
How many BEH are in AC's fleet?
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
Before I do YYZ, one stupid question...how does Air Canada manage to fill a daily 767-300 to Bogota that leaves Toronto at 8 o'clock in the morning?

I do this flight a lot.

J is almost always full, and Y probably 75% full on average.
Freight is certainly a consideration as well.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:10 pm

Very cool lists, thanks for putting them together!
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 6):
Amazing....Air Canada flies 30 Beechcraft 1900 out of Toronto.
How many BEH are in AC's fleet?

Air Georgian operates 17 B1900Ds for Air Canada Express currently.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:09 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
how does Air Canada manage to fill a daily 767-300 to Bogota that leaves Toronto at 8 o'clock in the morning?

With the political situation being more stable and the unrest quelled there is a lot of Colombia-Canada trade and I would suspect travel. There are bout a dozen "Colombian" natural resource companies traded on the TSX and ScotiaBank has a massive footprint in the country too owning a majority share in Banco Colpatria.

When it comes to AC and Latin America people love to endlessly talk about the same thing:
- direct EZE service
- tagging MVD onto GRU
- up-gauging GRU, EZE, SCL year round
- potential GIG service

but in reality the action is further north. With better political situations and investment in place CCS, BOG, LIM, PTY and secondary cities in the same countries are looking more and more interesting.

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
Before I do YYZ, one stupid question...how does Air Canada manage to fill a daily 767-300 to Bogota that leaves Toronto at 8 o'clock in the morning?

There are decent connections from YYT, YHZ, YFC, YSJ, YYG, YQB, YOW, YUL, YYC, YEG, YVR, SFO and LAX.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:58 pm

Thank you...those hub lists are very much appreciated.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
FLL: 1x 321, 1x 319

No A330 this summer? Bummer.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
MIA: 1x E90

Wow... Only a single E-190? That's horrible... Gonna be hard to compete with 2X daily (?) AA..

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 11):
There are decent connections from YYT, YHZ, YFC, YSJ, YYG, YQB, YOW, YUL, YYC, YEG, YVR, SFO and LAX.

Why would somebody do SFO-YYZ-BOG or LAX-YYZ-BOG... Maybe from SEA or PDX but not LAX or SFO...
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
FLL: 1x 321, 1x 319

No A330 this summer? Bummer.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
MIA: 1x E90

Wow... Only a single E-190? That's horrible... Gonna be hard to compete with 2X daily (?) AA..

Honestly it seems AC is slowly abandoning south FL. Gone are the days of 5x MIA-YYZ with 767s and 747s and 4x FLL-YYZ with A320s and 767s for the winter (yes ok that's quite a while ago...). I guess AC decided that cruise traffic wasn't sufficiently profitable?
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 14):
I guess AC decided that cruise traffic wasn't sufficiently profitable?

Or maybe Canadians don't like Florida that much anymore.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):
Why would somebody do SFO-YYZ-BOG or LAX-YYZ-BOG... Maybe from SEA or PDX but not LAX or SFO...

Price? Schedule? Preference of a Canadian carrier over a US carrier? Why is it that different than connecting SFO/EWR/BOG on UA?
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:14 pm

Re: the Florida comments - when Air Canada served only Tampa and Miami, there were more flights with larger aircraft into those two cities. Service was from Toronto and Montreal. Now, Air Canada serves seven cities in Florida from four Canadian cities so there are more flights to more cities. Granted, some flights are seasonal but that's still seven Florida cities vs two a number of years ago. Cities served: Miami, Ft Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Fort Myers, Sarasota, Tampa, and Orlando. Served from: Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, and Toronto.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 11):
SFO and LAX.

I doubt there are too many of those being sold unless people are going on mileage runs.

Quoting polaris (Reply 17):
Re: the Florida comments

Let's not forget the emergence of WS and WG and Canada's changing demographics. There is now a sizable non-citizen immigrant population that needs to jump through hoops for visas for the US. This body of people can just pitch up to many sun destinations in Caribbean and get a visa on arrival.

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 16):
Price? Schedule? Preference of a Canadian carrier over a US carrier? Why is it that different than connecting SFO/EWR/BOG on UA?

I doubt there are too many going through EWR either... If you need to go from LAX/SFO to BOG you can take AA through MIA, UA through IAH, TA through SAL, DL through ATL, and even AM through MEX or NK/B6 through FLL. Going through Canada or NYC just isn't worth it unless your going for mileage as posted above.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:08 pm

Regarding the YYC schedule I believe YYZ should also show 1x 763. As the AC NRT flight operates as YYZ-YYC-NRT and NRT-YYC-YYZ on the return.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
When it comes to AC and Latin America people love to endlessly talk about the same thing:
- direct EZE service
- tagging MVD onto GRU
- up-gauging GRU, EZE, SCL year round
- potential GIG service

but in reality the action is further north. With better political situations and investment in place CCS, BOG, LIM, PTY and secondary cities in the same countries are looking more and more interesting.

   I think in the future, especially with the arrival of the 787's, you will a lot more of AC going into South America. It is such a huge, growing market, and not to mention substantial cargo traffic, which makes these routes very profitable. Like you mentioned, political stability in these countries has helped increased tourism between Canada and South America. Personally, I'm looking to go hike Machu Picchu sometime soon, and possibly spend a couple weeks jumping between countries!

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 14):
I guess AC decided that cruise traffic wasn't sufficiently profitable?

With WS and others now charging into the FL market, yields are probably not what they used to be. AC's strategy, as others have noted, has been increase service to different destinations from different Canadian cities. Picking up cruise traffic is not what it used to be, as people aren't buying air + cruise packages, but rather separating them and looking for the cheapest routes possible. Same thing goes for traffic increasing to other sun destinations; Canadians have proven they like to travel, and going to Florida isn't quite what it used to be. Lots of my friends and family are now going a little further out to places like Costa Rica and Belize for vacations; Florida is nice, but it sure isn't Costa Rica  
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13):
Wow... Only a single E-190? That's horrible... Gonna be hard to compete with 2X daily (?) AA..

The majority of AA's MIA traffic is not going to MIA, but through AA's tremendous MIA hub to Latin America and the Caribbean. I don't see AA trying to compete with AC to TPA (1 320), MCO (3 320s) or FLL (2 320s).

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 14):
Honestly it seems AC is slowly abandoning south FL. Gone are the days of 5x MIA-YYZ with 767s and 747s and 4x FLL-YYZ with A320s and 767s for the winter (yes ok that's quite a while ago...). I guess AC decided that cruise traffic wasn't sufficiently profitable?

I remember when AC flew the B747 to both MIA and TPA, but per the bilateral, that was the only destinations in FLA allowed. Heck, I remember when AC flew the DC-8 to MIA, and the Vanguard to TPA! Passengers had to connect if their final destination was anywhere else. But during the summer, and with open skies, AC flies non-stop to MIA and TPA still, but also MCO and FLL. In the winter add RSW, SRQ and PBI.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 19):
I doubt there are too many going through EWR either

People also look at the schedules. If you didn't want to kill an entire day flying, your two best options time-wise are actually B6 via FLL or AC via YYZ starting out on the red-eyes ex-SFO.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 20):
Regarding the YYC schedule I believe YYZ should also show 1x 763. As the AC NRT flight operates as YYZ-YYC-NRT and NRT-YYC-YYZ on the return.

Does that operate every day? I don't believe it does...
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
BWI: 5x DH1

I know it's a small plane but I would love to know what the load factors are on these flights. I'm outside all day for my job and saw one of the Dash's in the new scheme fly over yesterday: looked pretty awesome!
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
Before I do Top
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
but in reality the action is further north. With better political situations and investment in place CCS, BOG, LIM, PTY and secondary cities in the same countries are looking more and more interesting.

Agree if you take CCS off the list. It's gone down the crapper the past few years and seems to continue to do so. Most of the business has transfered to BOG if they can.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:08 am

Ex YVR

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
YYC: 1x 320, 2x 319, 12x E90

General observation, its interesting to see how the 190 is taking a lot of the A32S work, this route is a good example of one that used to be mainly 319/320, Ive flown the 321 a few times on this route and Ive even seen 767's scheduled occasionally.

Could be an interesting trend to monitor in terms of frequency / capacity when it comes to fleet renewal.
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 24):
Does that operate every day? I don't believe it does...

You are correct, the 763 only operates the YYC-YYZ 1-2 times a week. The rest of the time the 763 turns around in YYC.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:35 pm

Stupid question and I don't have any time to look at the schedule, but does AC operate any red-eyes from California to YYZ?
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
People also look at the schedules. If you didn't want to kill an entire day flying, your two best options time-wise are actually B6 via FLL or AC via YYZ starting out on the red-eyes ex-SFO.

  

Quoting Corinthians (Reply 30):
Stupid question and I don't have any time to look at the schedule, but does AC operate any red-eyes from California to YYZ?

Yes, from both SFO and LAX daily.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 15):
Or maybe Canadians don't like Florida that much anymore.

Are you kidding? I meet more Canadians in Florida than I do in Canada! LOL
Seriously, I have a lot of cousins from the Guelph, ON area-and almost all of them own a winter home in Florida. I think, as someone else explained very well, Westjet and the US carriers have just taken a bite out of AC's traffic.
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:32 pm

Wow, these lists support the fact of just how YYZ-centric Air Canada's mainline flights are. Over 220+ mainline from YYZ while YVR, YUL, and YYC have about 77, 64, and 44 respectively. If I'm not mistaken, YOW has almost as much mainline flying as YYC now. YYC's station has been shrinking in recent years (no more SFO, YXU, YHZ, YWG, etc). Also interesting to note how quickly and how much the DH4 has supplanted CRA, CRJ, DH3, DH1 flying in eastern Canada 'cause they're still non-existent west of YQT. And now with WS set to take delivery of the type, it'll rule the eastern skies. If you can't beat 'em....!   

If anyone has the numbers, it'd be interesting to see what the focus cities of YOW, YHZ, YWG, and YEG have for AC flights...
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 33):
If anyone has the numbers, it'd be interesting to see what the focus cities of YOW, YHZ, YWG, and YEG have for AC flights...

Strictly AC flying?

YEG-YVR 8x E90 1x 319
YEG-YYZ 6x 320 3x 319 1x 321
YEG-YUL 2x E90
YEG-YOW 2x E90
YEG-LHR 1x 763

YWG-YVR 3x E90
YWG-YYZ 5x E90 4x 320
YWG-YOW 2x E75
YWG-YUL 1x E90 1x E75

YOW-YYT 1x E90
YOW-YHZ 2x E90
YOW-YYZ 8x E90 5x 319 3x 320 1x E75
YOW-YWG 2x E75
YOW-YVR 2x 321 1x 320
YOW-YYC 3x E90
YOW-YEG 2x E90
YOW-FRA 1x 763
YOW-LHR 1x 763

YHZ-YYT 4x E90 1x 320
YHZ-YUL 2x 319 2x E90 1x 320
YHZ-YOW 2x E90
YHZ-YYZ 7x 320 3x E90 1x 763
YHZ-LHR 1x 763

I have the full numbers (including QK and Tier III) for those focus stations, if anyone is interested...
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 33):
Wow, these lists support the fact of just how YYZ-centric Air Canada's mainline flights are.

And why do you suppose that is?

Air Canada, (and all airlines) have access to numbers of which we can only dream. They know exactly where the money is, and exactly where the best revenue is. If the numbers could support a huge hub in say YEG (for example), then that is where one would be.

Why do you suppose Westjet moved their main eastern hub from YHM to YYZ?

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 33):
Also interesting to note how quickly and how much the DH4 has supplanted CRA, CRJ, DH3, DH1 flying in eastern Canada 'cause they're still non-existent west of YQT.

Again, the numbers dictate the end result. Personally, I would rather fly on a CRA/CRJ from YYZ to YQT or YQM ... but, the DH4 can do it cheaper, and the passenger has decided that a 30 minute longer flying time is an acceptable price to pay for a cheap flight.
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:41 pm

I don't see YHZ in the YYC departure list, there should be at least 1 A320 flight.
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:51 pm

Traffic out of Venezuela generally and CCS especially is booming given capital flight and lots of disposable income of Vzlans to travel. In addition the Vzlan community in Greater Toronto is thriving, and expanding in Vancouver, Alberta and to a lesser extent Montreal. I am surprised AC has not gone daily CCS YYZ or upguaged equipment. Does the bi-lateral not allow it.

Offer a Vzlan traveler a decent fare, competitive, to anywhere in AC network and they will buy it in droves, not to mention O&D traffic to YYZ. My Venezuelan family memebers can rarely get on the AC CCS non stop from YYZ either full or only available at high fare and only but the craziest travelers would want to transit via US airports to get there unless there is a savings.

If AC had the a/c available I am sure they could run 5x weekly or even daily 763 YYZ CCS offer competitive fares and feed much of that traffic throughout their network.
 
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 36):
I don't see YHZ in the YYC departure list, there should be at least 1 A320 flight.

Not this summer. The non-stop is gone, replaced by another one stop thru flight (via YYZ).
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:39 pm

If you add up the population in the golden horseshoe that YYZ draws traffic from you will get a good idea why the concentration of flights. Over 6 million in the GTA give or take plus additional within a hours drive from Waterloo/Kitchener and east to Kingston. That is the population of Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton plus some extras. And if you add in the connecting passengers from just Ontario, you probably almost have the whole population of all of Western Canada. Might not reach 10 million but pretty close. I presume Ottawa traffic would migrate to Montreal for Europe more than Toronto. That explains the concentration of flights beyond just financial reasons.
 
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting RJLover (Reply 34):
I have the full numbers (including QK and Tier III) for those focus stations, if anyone is interested...

I'll take you up on those numbers, pls.  
Quoting longhauler (Reply 35):
And why do you suppose that is?

What you speak of is no mystery. Still surprising the sheer disproportion of the whole affair.(YYZ much > YVR+YUL+YYC) Well, in a country as sparsely populated as ours, you gotta pick somewhere to concentrate, thus increasingly perpetuating statistics, all your flights.
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting c172akula (Reply 29):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 24):
Does that operate every day? I don't believe it does...

You are correct, the 763 only operates the YYC-YYZ 1-2 times a week. The rest of the time the 763 turns around in YYC
Quoting bmacleod (Reply 36):
I don't see YHZ in the YYC departure list, there should be at least 1 A320 flight.

YYC-NRT-YYC is 5 per week. The YYZ-YYC-YYZ sector only operates twice a week, Tuesday/Friday westbound and Friday/Sunday eastbound.
 
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 36):
I don't see YHZ in the YYC departure list, there should be at least 1 A320 flight.

Not this summer. The non-stop is gone, replaced by another one stop thru flight (via YYZ).

There's actually 3 flights operating through to YHZ this summer. 2 through YYZ and 1 through YUL.
 
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:44 am

I'd be interested to see all citypairs from YYC both from Air Canada and West Jet

Alberta province/state is the jewel of North America. Oil sands draw an enormous traffic because of the particular nature of the the way they do business there.

I was in Fort Mac a couple of day ago: the fare I paid from the US, the wages paid out there etc etc make me wonder what the outlook is from there!
 
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RE: AC Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:46 am

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 42):
There's actually 3 flights operating through to YHZ this summer. 2 through YYZ and 1 through YUL.

Yep! Wasn't there only two YYC thru flights last summer (I was just saying that an additional one-stop thru flight added, not that there is only one  )!

Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 40):
I'll take you up on those numbers, pls.

In the interest of brevity, I'll add only the QK/Tier III flying (specific AC breakdown is a few posts above)...

YEG-YQU 5x DH3
YMM 5x DH3 1x CRJ
YZF 1x CRJ
YXE 1x DH3
YQR 1x DH3
YWG 3x CRJ
YYC 15x DH3 1x CRJ 1x DH1

Total: 1x 763, 1x 321, 6x 320, 4x 319,12x E90, 6x CRJ, 22x DH3, 1x DH1

YWG-YYC 3x CRA 2x CRJ
YEG 3x CRJ
YQR 3x CRJ
YXE 3x CRJ
YQT 1x CRJ
YOW 1x CRA
YUL 1x CRA

Total: 4x 320, 9x E90, 3x E75, 5x CRA, 12x CRJ

YOW-YHZ 4x CRA
YYG 1x CRJ
YQM 1x CRJ
YFC 1x DH1
YQB 1x DH1
YUL 5x DH1 3x CRA 2x DH2 1x CRJ
YXU 2x DH1
BOS 2x CRJ
LGA 3x CRJ
DCA 2x CRJ
YWG 1x CRA
YQR 1x CRA
YXE 1x CRA

Total: 2x 763, 2x 321, 4x 320, 5x 319, 16x E90, 3x E75, 10x CRA, 10x CRJ, 2x DH3, 9x DH1

YHZ-YYR 1x CRJ
YDF 5x DH1
YQX 2x CRJ
YQY 6x DH1
YYG 2x DH1 2x BEH
YQM 4x BEH
YSJ 4x BEH
YFC 4x BEH
BOS 3x CRJ
YUL 1x CRA
YOW 4x CRA

Total: 2x 763, 9x 320, 2x 319, 11x E90, 5x CRA, 6x CRJ, 13x DH1, 14x BEH
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