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Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:32 am

I believe carriers can still order this... However...

EK, canceled (20) a/c order siting delays in a delay in the delivery of the aircraft pending enhancements.
CX, ditched their (3) leased fro, ILFC in favor of the 77W. Who these went to I do not know...
MU, will be doing the same, ditching their (5) in place of a (20) 77W order. Will miss the "Better City Better Life" scheme.
EY, keeping the a346, selling the a345 to V0.
HU, I believe got (3) from ILFC from CX return. They make use of them only flying international to YYZ I believe.
IB, staying for now I believe they have (16/17) active.
LH, (24) active and staying as far as I know.
QR, Phasing out their (4) and replacing with 77W. Who are they going to?
SA, Have (6) they ordered and lease (3) I believe, backbone of their longhaul fleet.
TG, phasing out all (6) by 2015 I believe. Replacement 77W with a firm order from Boeing for (6) on 08/2011.
VS, (19) in the fleet I believe and they are phasing out (4) in the 4th quarter of this year.

Do you see any future carriers ordering this or would they look directly to the a350-1000 or 77W? How successful would one say this model is/was? I know the a340-500 is fewer but can definitely haul the miles, why was this not more successful with carriers that have extensive overseas networks? Will their come a time when Airbus cancels the line and concentrates on a existing or new model? Also would they look to go with a freighter version of either variant? a345F or a346F?

I have flown the a340-600 with CX, LH, and VS and the a340-500 with SQ and found both aircraft amazingly comfortable and stable.
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:36 am

Airbus has cancelled the A340 program. That was announced last November.
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:43 am

The A340 is out of production I think

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
CX, ditched their (3) leased fro, ILFC in favor of the 77W. Who these went to I do not know...

You answered your own question here:

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
HU, I believe got (3) from ILFC from CX return.
Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Will their come a time when Airbus cancels the line and concentrates on a existing or new model? Also would they look to go with a freighter version of either variant? a345F or a346F?

I kinda doubt we will see a freighter version of the A346. The A345 maybe could be used as a conversion freighter from existing pax models but still kinda doubt that one as well. I think we could possibly see a converted A343 freighter before we see a A345/ A346 freighter.

[Edited 2012-06-06 23:44:04]
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
TG, phasing out all (6) by 2015 I believe. Replacement 77W with a firm order from Boeing for (6) on 08/2011.

I believe there where only 4 A345 with TG Source airfleets.net :

HS-TLA del. 04/05
HS-TLB del. 04/05
HS-TLC del. 10/05
HS-TLD del. 04/07

Last Flight with TG was 29/04/2012 Thread: Thai A340-500 Routes After April 2012 (by TR1 Apr 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5446692&searchid=5449572&s=Thai#ID5449572

On the BKK-LAX route they have been swapped to B772/B773 according to TG's Website. Where they are now I don't know. Would be a shame to see them converted in to freighters as they are very young aircrafts and hope will be integrated to a other fleet. Was thinking maybe JJ but they seemed to store there A345 also.
One other idea is that they get cheaply sold or low leasing fares as Government aircrafts? Any thoughts about this?

LX is looking for a replacement of there A343 to S.America and maybe will get the A346 (can only guess)!!
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
CX, ditched their (3) leased fro, ILFC in favor of the 77W. Who these went to I do not know...
Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
HU, I believe got (3) from ILFC from CX return.

You answered your own question  
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:46 am

The operators who want to keep their A346s will be able to top up their fleets with some very attractively priced secondhand units, like Delta buying second hand MD90s.

I'd love the UK government to buy a secondhand A345, but it will never happen
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:03 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
The A340 is out of production I think
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 1):
Airbus has cancelled the A340 program. That was announced last November.

I think it is out of production due to lack of new orders. The airbus website lists total orders for the A340 family at 377 with total deliveries at 375. I assume new orders could still be produced based on this sentence:

The jetliner is built on the same final assembly line as Airbus’ popular A330, ensuring that A340 production slots are available to meet commercial requirements.

Quote from http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a340family, bottom of page.

I don't expect new orders, though.
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:22 am

Quoting Unflug (Reply 6):
I don't expect new orders, though.

Me neither. That ship has sailed away. Sadly enough the A340-600's days as an attractive new bird are over due to the competition which produced the overall for airlines more attractive airplane.

But she is still ever so beautiful to see.  Smile.

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting Unflug (Reply 6):

I think it is out of production due to lack of new orders. The airbus website lists total orders for the A340 family at 377 with total deliveries at 375. I assume new orders could still be produced based on this sentence:

No, production is completely closed, an airline cannot order more if they wanted to. The A340 may have built on the same line as the A330, but there are A340 specific components, i.e. the center landing gear. There is a backlog of two aircraft because Airbus has 2 A345s originally destined to Kingfisher that have not been delivered to anyone.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:44 pm

The A345/A346 were great planes; unfortunately for them, the 77L/77W offered significantly better economics and very similar load capacities. From what I have seen, the only place where the A345/A346 beat them was hot-and-high. That, in a nutshell, is why orders dried up and Airbus is no longer taking orders for them.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 9):
The A345/A346 were great planes; unfortunately for them, the 77L/77W offered significantly better economics and very similar load capacities.

The addition to that, is that between the launch time and the early 2000s the cost of fuel went up massively and the made the A345/6 more are more uncompetative compared to the T7 to the point that the A340 was closed down last year and the two A345s that IT ordered but couldn't afford are sitting there unsold 3 years later.
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 8):
No, production is completely closed, an airline cannot order more if they wanted to.

You are probably right:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...chapter-in-the-a340-success-story/

Maybe Airbus should change the contradicting wording on the "A340 Family" page...
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:33 pm

I think the largest operators will grow their fleets by acquiring some in second-hand for good deals. LH, IB, VS could be some of them.
I doubt most -600 are going to stop flying anytime soon.
But, seeing that many young fleets have been traded to other airlines, or may be traded soon, this was another incentive to Airbus to halt production, as airlines who want more A346 will likely be able to get some in timelines no longer than it would take to Airbus to build new ones (considering how busy the line is with the A330). Hence, they closed the line because the market for new A345/6 simply is not there anymore. Or if it is, it is too small to justify keeping the A340 part of the line open. Airbus was better off dedicating all its resources to the A330 on this line. (and to the Whale, also...)

Did Airbus break even on the A340-500/600 program by the way? (i seem to remember that they did, thanks to the -600, but the -500 pulled that success down a little bit).

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 3):
LX is looking for a replacement of there A343 to S.America and maybe will get the A346 (can only guess)!!

LX being part of LH, this is a possibility and I certainly do hope this becomes true!
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:40 pm

The LX possibility was discussed in an earlier thread I believe. That would be quite exciting to see. However, I do hope they pick up some frames on the market (like the EY or QR birds), instead of LH rolling over their frames to LX. I know that the latter is more likely to happen, but I don't wanna see fewer A346s in LH colours  
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
I think the largest operators will grow their fleets by acquiring some in second-hand for good deals. LH, IB, VS could be some of them.

Given VS are already returning 4 x 346's this year - I don't think we'll see more in the fleet.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
I believe one of the undelivered A-340s was the A-346 that tried to jump the blast fence during a four engine high power run.

No, that one was written off and a replacement was built. As I understand it there are two A345's that are sitting at Toulouse because the airline that ordered them (Kingfisher?) can't afford to pay for them.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 16):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
I believe one of the undelivered A-340s was the A-346 that tried to jump the blast fence during a four engine high power run.

No, that one was written off and a replacement was built. As I understand it there are two A345's that are sitting at Toulouse because the airline that ordered them (Kingfisher?) can't afford to pay for them.
Quoting Unflug (Reply 6):
The airbus website lists total orders for the A340 family at 377 with total deliveries at 375.

So, is 378 the total number built?
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 17):
So, is 378 the total number built?

No. Contrary to what SEPilot said no replacement was built for the Etihad A346 that was written off in TLS. Etihad only has 7 A346s, while they originally had 8 on order.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 18):
No. Contrary to what SEPilot said no replacement was built for the Etihad A346 that was written off in TLS. Etihad only has 7 A346s, while they originally had 8 on order.

In that case, wouldn't the number delivered be 374 instead of 375? Or was the Eithad bird considered as delivered?
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 18):
No. Contrary to what SEPilot said no replacement was built for the Etihad A346 that was written off in TLS. Etihad only has 7 A346s, while they originally had 8 on order.

OK, I stand (actually I am sitting) corrected. How does this one fit in the total, then? It was never delivered, and there are still the two A345's undelivered, aren't there?
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 20):
OK, I stand (actually I am sitting) corrected. How does this one fit in the total, then? It was never delivered, and there are still the two A345's undelivered, aren't there?

After I typed and posted that I had the same thought as you, and honestly I am not sure. There is definitely 1 Kingfisher plane that has never been delivered (the one that for a while was suppose to go to Air Zimbabwe). But it gets very confusing when you start considering the VIP planes, did Kuwait ever take delivery of their 2nd A345?

The whole Kingfisher situation and who got what plane and what was suppose to be a Kingfisher plane versus a new order makes following the end of the A345 production a mess. I'm not sure if when writing off the plane they considered it a delivery (to the insurance company   ) or if they are just excluding that from the number built (because it was built and they did fly it at least once I believe).
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:41 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 21):
I'm not sure if when writing off the plane they considered it a delivery (to the insurance company   ) or if they are just excluding that from the number built (because it was built and they did fly it at least once I believe).

It was completed but not delivered, so it's not included in deliveries. The replacement is,
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:43 pm

Maybe they could be used as converted freighters?
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:49 pm

their future is as coke cans in all honesty. As lovely as they are, They will not make the cargo conversion list and unless they replace similar aircraft in existing VIP state fleets I cannot see them lasting after the initial operators dispose of them.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 23):
Maybe they could be used as converted freighters?

There aren't enough of any one model to justify the cost of developing and certifying the conversion. Each model has to have its own conversion designed and certified; it cannot be done as a family.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting SEA (Reply 22):
It was completed but not delivered, so it's not included in deliveries. The replacement is,

As I mentioned, there was no replacement. In fact of I have found an article in which they confirm that they cancelled the crashed A340's order.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:14 pm

Hello!

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
EY, keeping the a346, selling the a345 to V0.

I have information that V0 (Conviasa Venezuela) ultimately decided not to buy the aircraft because of the heavy emphasis in luxury EY has on their planes, which is in contrast of Conviasa's strategy of having a low price and being accesible to all venezuelans. It will cost too much to convert them into lower-luxury aircraft.

I also understand the they're negotiating with IB as a backup, but they're only selling the older A340s with the oldest engines they have.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 27):

- The A340 program is indeed finished or dead as you prefer, however none of the current operators is rushing to take their entire A340 fleets out of service, some such as QR have indicated they will be retiring them, VS are due to retire 4 as new A330's enter the fleet, as to LH, IB, SA etc, nothing has been ordered to replace their, in some cases substantial A340 fleets - do you know something we don't?

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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:31 pm

The A346 was an extremely good fit for long flights with very restricted payloads. Two of its biggest operators, IB and SA, have their main hubs at high and hot locations. AFAIK, IB is nowhere near retiring its 346 (343s are a different story). I wouldn't be surprised to see a few leased second-hand ones joining the fleet over the next few years.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 8):
No, production is completely closed, an airline cannot order more if they wanted to. The A340 may have built on the same line as the A330, but there are A340 specific components, i.e. the center landing gear.

  . IMO the reason the A340 was cancelled was that the lack of orders made the supply chain unsustainable; suppliers don't want to have to maintain tooling/documentation/inventories/training for expensive parts when the orders aren't coming. And there's no use in Airbus trying to sell A340's at deep discounts when they can use the production line capacity to make in-demand A330's.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 29):
IB is nowhere near retiring its 346 (343s are a different story).

IB has a batch of A333s on order [8 orders and 8 options] whilst IAG [per an article out today] mulls a joint order for BA and IB of A350s or 777X - so it looks like the A346s could be around for a fair while until either of the 2 aircraft under consideration come on stream.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting poLot (Reply 26):
As I mentioned, there was no replacement. In fact of I have found an article in which they confirm that they cancelled the crashed A340's order.

OK, this answers my question. For bookkeeping purposes the aircraft was never built, and so does not get counted in the ordered/delivered tally, even though Airbus would have been paid by the insurance company for it.. So the only leftovers are the Kingfisher birds.
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Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
MU, will be doing the same, ditching their (5) in place of a (20) 77W order. Will miss the "Better City Better Life" scheme

Don't forget the Sky team colour scheme. Absolutely gorgeous on the A346 (As well as on the 744 though with other Skyteam carriers)

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 7):
But she is still ever so beautiful to see. Smile.

No other aircraft will match the beauty of the A346 with it;s sheer length, it's gorgeous engines and winglets. In comparison the 777 apart from it's engines has no real beauty at all.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
LX being part of LH, this is a possibility and I certainly do hope this becomes true!

That would be wonderful to see!!

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
EY, keeping the a346

Of course, nothing as gorgeous as the EY A346. The best corporate colour scheme out there on the A346
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
QR, Phasing out their (4) and replacing with 77W. Who are they going to?

AR was rumoured as the new operator a while ago.

Quoting poLot (Reply 21):
did Kuwait ever take delivery of their 2nd A345?

Yes they did, both are now in SKF for VIP-cabin installation.
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:12 am

So was the A340 program profitable and did it recover its developmental costs ?

IMO the existing A340 operators will be able to sustain A340s on their fleet for sometime dure to cheaper parts availability and ability to supplement their fleets at lower costs.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting Talaier (Reply 29):
The A346 was an extremely good fit for long flights with very restricted payloads.

Very restricted payloads? The A346 has better payload, more range and lower fuel burn than a 744. If it weren't for the 77W, the A346 would have been a very good replacement for 744s.
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 36):
Very restricted payloads? The A346 has better payload, more range and lower fuel burn than a 744. If it weren't for the 77W, the A346 would have been a very good replacement for 744s.

Based on where he was going with his comment, I think he meant that the A346 is good in situations where twins start to falter (the "restricted payload" part), namely as he said hot and high conditions as found in MAD and South Africa.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 33):
No other aircraft will match the beauty of the A346 with it;s sheer length, it's gorgeous engines and winglets. In comparison the 777 apart from it's engines has no real beauty at all.

Absolutely correct! Although I think the A345 is just as beautiful as the A346. I flew on EK's A345's and B777's a couple of times DXB-MEL-DXB and while the B777 is a great and beautiful aircraft, it cannot hold a candle to the A345/A346. Hopefully we'll still be able to fly on them in the future.

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Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:20 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 1):

Airbus has cancelled the A340 program. That was announced last November.

   While Airbus might still be able to assemble the airframes on their lines, the vendors are done. Parts are no longer made at the prior prices, now any non-normally replaced parts that are not common to the A330 are going to be *very* long lead time and 5X or more the price. The vendors are no longer set up for mass production of A340 unique parts.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):

The operators who want to keep their A346s will be able to top up their fleets with some very attractively priced secondhand units, like Delta buying second hand MD90s.

Bu then they'll have to pay for fuel. For longhaul, fuel is 40% of the bill, airframe financing about 10%, and maintenance about 10%. The added fuel is ~4% more cost and the added maintenance of the A340 over the 77W is 2% to 4%. Those frames would have to trade close to scrap value; recall A340s are worth more as scrap due to demand for parts from the global A330 fleet.

Quoting Unflug (Reply 6):
I assume new orders could still be produced based on this sentence:

Airbus probably could. Again, Airbus has to buy a minimum number of parts or pay penalties to the vendors. The vendors have been released from their production contracts and now parts are going to be very expensive. It costs a fortune to set up machinery to make one part. Ten parts cost about as much as two!

Quoting anstar (Reply 14):
Given VS are already returning 4 x 346's this year - I don't think we'll see more in the fleet.

  

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 24):
There aren't enough of any one model to justify the cost of developing and certifying the conversion. Each model has to have its own conversion designed and certified; it cannot be done as a family.

Ouch... That implies a shorter life a la the L1011.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 31):
So the only leftovers are the Kingfisher birds

   I think their 'downsizing' has proven how likely they are to be delivered...

Quoting scbriml (Reply 35):
If it weren't for the 77W, the A346 would have been a very good replacement for 744s.
Quoting fridgmus (Reply 37):
Any chance on Airbus developing any kits to improve CASM? Maybe some CFRP kits?

The ROI would be poor. It is far cheaper to improve an in production type as the improvements help make sales. A CFRP kit would, by my understanding of your question, be *very* expensive. Its worth it for a type that is expected to sell another 150 models and has 300+ in service types perhaps. But not for two different families of A340. The A343s are too far along their service lives to pay for an expensive upgrade. The A345/A346 is too tiny of a fleet to pay for major upgrades.

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Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:36 am

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 37):
Absolutely correct! Although I think the A345 is just as beautiful as the A346.

You knew when I said that I meant her sister the Airbus A340-500 as well    (In fact all Airbus long haul aircraft). No honestly while strictly talking of the Airbus A340-600, while the -500 is gorgeous, the sheer length of the -600 is just amazing. What a loooong gorgeous bird.
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 38):
While Airbus might still be able to assemble the airframes on their lines, the vendors are done. Parts are no longer made at the prior prices, now any non-normally replaced parts that are not common to the A330 are going to be *very* long lead time and 5X or more the price. The vendors are no longer set up for mass production of A340 unique parts.

How do they handle repairs where replacement parts are needed? The center landing gear was mentioned as being unique to the A340 - do they have a certain number in stock?
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 39):
What a loooong gorgeous bird.

As beautiful as the A346 is, my vote goes for the A345. There is something about that bird.. beautiful proportions, and 4 engines..
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 41):
As beautiful as the A346 is, my vote goes for the A345. There is something about that bird.. beautiful proportions, and 4 engines..

... 4 long haul!!!   EK use to have them on there evening flight from ZRH-DXB that is now changed to 77W and 77L.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 32):
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
LX being part of LH, this is a possibility and I certainly do hope this becomes true!

That would be wonderful to see!!

Yes, as the only A346 now is a daily ZRH-BKK flight and getting tired to see only the A343's  

And what about SQ's A345 (5 in fleet 9V-SGA/B/C/D/E)? Are they all in Business Class layouts? They where delivered in 2003&4 and have they any plans for a possible replacement (maybe in about 5-10 years)?
 
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:42 am

I just flew ORD MUC on LH with the -600 and it was amazing. The thrust on takeoff with a full plane was spectacular!! Very comfy as well.
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RE: Future Of Airbus A340-600?

Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:45 am

Quoting flanker (Reply 43):
I just flew ORD MUC on LH with the -600 and it was amazing. The thrust on takeoff with a full plane was spectacular!! Very comfy as well.

Agreed! 346 is my favourite aircraft to fly as a passenger!

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