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Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:59 am

I know Spirit had like 6 A321s in thier fleet are they still around,Haven't seen one in their new
paint scheme.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:07 am

They currently have 2 A321's, both in the silver livery (which looks some much nicer, IMO)
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 1):
They currently have 2 A321's, both in the silver livery (which looks some much nicer, IMO)

Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.

Yes that is the one.

Anyways I see their 2 A321s flying in and out of FLL all the time. Not sure where they fly to but I'm guessing they primarily operate from there.

[Edited 2012-06-07 20:15:11]
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting poLot (Reply 3):
Anyways I see their 2 A321s flying in and out of FLL all the time. Not sure where they fly to but I'm guessing they primarily operate from there.

They fly them to ACY, LGA, and DCA mainly.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:41 am

Spirit currently operates two ILFC Airbus A321s: N587NK and N588NK.
Previously they operated:
N583NK which became VH-VWZ with Jetstar
N584NK which became VH-VWY with Jetstar
N585NK which became TC-ETF with Atlasjet
N586NK which became G-OZBR with Monarch

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.

Agreed. The new one looks very cheap....which was probably why they chose it. The old livery looks quite nice though, quite elegant actually.
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:02 am

One of the A321 operates the MCO SJU route
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):

One of the A321 operates the MCO SJU route


I believe that is a continuation of a flight from ACY. Am I wrong?
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

A321 stopped flying in ACY June 1st...

the routings for the 2 are as follows

LGA-FLL-SJU-MCO-DTW
DTW-MCO-SJU-FLL-LGA
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:21 pm

What was the reason for NK to sell off a few of the 321s?
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
They fly them to ACY, LGA, and DCA mainly.

Spirit never operated scheduled A321 into DCA. They flew them down to DCA couple of times during Obama inauguration and couple of equipment subs.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 9):
What was the reason for NK to sell off a few of the 321s?

They were leased. Several A319s have also departed and replaced by newer examples as well.
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

They flew them into DCA on the evening flight three times a few weeks ago.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:02 pm

I see that they up'ed to 321 for few late night arrivals around M-Day weekend.
Thats the most A321s Spirit has sent to DCA ever.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:06 pm

Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!

So what, they'll trade 2 A321s for half an A330?
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting poLot (Reply 15):

No, they probably trade them in and have a higher payment.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:36 am

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!

NK has made it known for some time its desire to phase out the 321; its two remaining aircraft are expected to remain within the fleet until the leases terminate. If the 321 doesn't fit NK's model (status quo), why would it add the significantly larger 330?
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 17):

Brasil......DL has left the door open by returning the freq back.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:20 am

What about the A321 doesn't fit the Spirit model? Curious to see why they would phase them out when other airlines seem to be going for larger variants to improve operating costs. Southwest is moving to the 737-800 and JetBlue is adding the A321. Continental started taking more -800s and -900s as well, over the -700.
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting safetydemo (Reply 19):
What about the A321 doesn't fit the Spirit model?

It takes forever to turn, can't fly as far as the 319 or 320, when one breaks there is no suitable spare. I'm sure when everything goes as planned, it brings a good extra chunk of revenue, but only having 2 of them is likely a thorn in their side more often than not.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:10 am

Quoting xdlx (Reply 18):
Brasil......DL has left the door open by returning the freq back.

Let's discuss Spirit operating FLL-GRU/GIG:
- requires a unique fleet type (330)
- will be competing against carriers reaping big revenues from premium cabins
- will be compating with undeseriable departure/arrivial times, unless aircraft are grounded for 12+ hours
- in a market use to checking two free checked bags up to 70 lbs each, will be charging $70 - $100 + placing 40 lb. restriction (oversize charges exisit)
- charges for carry-on baggage, water on the plane; no IFE; additional fees for printing board pass at the airport

I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.

That is my biggest issue. NK has made it pretty clear that if a route is not working they cut it and put the planes somewhere else; they are not going to sit on loss making routes hoping it changes. That is very difficult to do with A330s, you can't really change long haul international frequencies/cities quickly as you need to get all the slots and permissions lined up first.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:05 am

Quoting safetydemo (Reply 19):
Curious to see why they would phase them out when other airlines seem to be going for larger variants to improve operating costs. Southwest is moving to the 737-800

Southwest's 738s have 175 seats and Spirit's 320s have 178. However, neither of these are the highest possible densities, given the 738 can hold 189 (e.g. by FR) and the 320 can hold 180 (e.g. by AK).

In many parts of the world, especially Europe and Asia-Pacific, the ~180-seat range is what most LCCs have because this is where unit/seat and trip costs are more optimum - together with not having too many seats to fill.

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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:38 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
That is my biggest issue. NK has made it pretty clear that if a route is not working they cut it and put the planes somewhere else; they are not going to sit on loss making routes hoping it changes. That is very difficult to do with A330s, you can't really change long haul international frequencies/cities quickly as you need to get all the slots and permissions lined up first.

   And they already have a lot on their plate with the focus city in BOG. It wouldn't make sense to further complicate their growth.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 24):
And they already have a lot on their plate with the focus city in BOG

Does two daily a319s to FLL really count as a focus city?

[Edited 2012-06-10 12:50:41]
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 25):

Didn't they also have beyond BOG (5th Freedom) into Central & South America ?
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 26):
Didn't they also have beyond BOG (5th Freedom) into Central & South America ?

If they did, they don't anymore.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 27):
Quoting xdlx (Reply 26):
Didn't they also have beyond BOG (5th Freedom) into Central & South America ?

If they did, they don't anymore.

Actually, this is for upcoming service. NK will be starting FLL-BOG-LIM daily perhaps by year's end. FLL-BOG-GYE/UIO is supposed to commence sometime next year when the new UIO airport is completed. There are official publications that NK has received regulatory approval for such service.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 28):
Actually, this is for upcoming service. NK will be starting FLL-BOG-LIM daily perhaps by year's end. FLL-BOG-GYE/UIO is supposed to commence sometime next year when the new UIO airport is completed. There are official publications that NK has received regulatory approval for such service.

I wasn't aware of that. Are these going to be a319s or a320s operating the routes? My guess is a319s.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 29):
I wasn't aware of that. Are these going to be a319s or a320s operating the routes? My guess is a319s.

Not sure. I can tell you it won't be the A321's.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:11 am

I would assume it would be A319s due to their superior hot and high performance (BOG-FLL was notorious for weight restrictions when it went to an A320 last winter), and because the smaller, more numerous A319s are generally the aircraft of choice for expanding in new markets, such as the LAS focus city. The A320s are largely kept on the east coast flying the more established routes.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 31):
The A320s are largely kept on the east coast flying the more established routes.

That makes sense.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 31):
The A320s are largely kept on the east coast flying the more established routes.

I think recently the A320 has started making its way west... I believe OAK and DEN see them daily now, but for the most part the 320's stay east of DFW
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting nkops (Reply 33):

The way I understand it.... Newer A320, are replacing older 19's and perhaps the 21's.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:08 pm

They cannot charge for the first 2 bags up to 70 lbs each on flights to/from Brazil. It is written into the bilaterals and Brazilian aviation regulations.

Does anyone really believe the legacy carriers would offer the free bags if they could be charging for them?

So if they plan on going to Brazil they are going to have to dream up some alternate ways to generate revenue  
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting rivervisual (Reply 35):
They cannot charge for the first 2 bags up to 70 lbs each on flights to/from Brazil. It is written into the bilaterals and Brazilian aviation regulations.

Does anyone really believe the legacy carriers would offer the free bags if they could be charging for them?

So if they plan on going to Brazil they are going to have to dream up some alternate ways to generate revenue

The base fares will probably have a corresponding increase to compensate for that. Similarly, I believe there are certain fees Spirit cannot charge on flights to/from Colombia and Panama, but again, the fares are higher. In the end, the passenger traveling lightly ends up subsidizing everyone else's free checked baggage.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:38 am

Are one of the A321s down or is Spirit down an airplane? I saw an Omni 757 operating for them a couple weeks ago and now an Xtra Airways 737-400.
 
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 37):

Aircraft 588NK is out of service in DTW right now, but not sure why....
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RE: Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 37):
Are one of the A321s down or is Spirit down an airplane? I saw an Omni 757 operating for them a couple weeks ago and now an Xtra Airways 737-400.

Do you know which Xtra B734 currently operates for them?
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:01 pm

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