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DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:33 am

Hi All,

Not sure if this was previously posted, but as a follow up from the controversy that brewed last year over SV joining SkyTeam, it was originally reported that DL would not share benefits such as reciprocal mile earning and lounge access with SV.

However, now that they are in SkyTeam, it seems DL has done an about-face and is now sharing such benefits with SV. I, personally, am glad to see that this is happening because the last thing SkyTeam needs is a quasi-member. Nor do I believe it is good for an alliance to start picking a choosing which members each airline wants to have relationships with.

Here is the article from the AJC:

http://www.ajc.com/business/saudi-arabian-carrier-joins-1448779.html


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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:30 am

This is good to hear but the article doesn't mention specifically that Delta will allow SkyMiles to be used to award tickets on SV.

SV's routes covers many sorely missing Indian and Pakistani cities which no other SkyTeam member serves.

I am sure I am not the only one with Delta SkyMiles who would be interested in redeeming them for SV flights to South Asia or Middle Eastern destinations that SkyTeam doesn't currently cover.
 
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:40 am

Quoting burj (Reply 1):
This is good to hear but the article doesn't mention specifically that Delta will allow SkyMiles to be used to award tickets on SV.

That is a very good point. Also absent on delta.com is any information on class of ticket on SV earns you miles on the "airline partners" page. When CI became a member, it was updated within a day or two. Maybe they are holding off to see if everyone's ire is raised again.
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:02 am

Who sponsored SV into Sky? SU?
 
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:06 am

Quoting LOWS (Reply 3):
Who sponsored SV into Sky?

AF
 
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:27 am

Am I missing something, but doesn't Saudi Arabia restrict those who enter? What good is an alliance with a carrier when most of us can't even use SV flights? Even transiting requires a visa that is a hassle to get, correct? I am speaking about US travellers, but aren't the Saudis also requiring the same things from other western nationals?
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:36 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Am I missing something, but doesn't Saudi Arabia restrict those who enter? What good is an alliance with a carrier when most of us can't even use SV flights? Even transiting requires a visa that is a hassle to get, correct? I am speaking about US travellers, but aren't the Saudis also requiring the same things from other western nationals?

SV in SkyTeam is not for connectivity through RUH or JED. It won't be the case before a very long-time!

Saudi Arabia is the one of the biggest market in the Middle-East, with high yield passengers traveling very often, domestic, Middle-East and to Europe and North America. It gives SkyTeam access to this huge market.
 
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 6):
Saudi Arabia is the one of the biggest market in the Middle-East, with high yield passengers traveling very often, domestic, Middle-East and to Europe and North America. It gives SkyTeam access to this huge market.

Indeed. The Hajj traffic is also exceptionally important and SV takes care of this component fairly well between North Africa, The Arabian Peninsula, the Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and other areas of the Middle East/predominantly Islamic world.

This is actually a great strategic win-win for both SV and SkyTeam. Saudia has now re-branded and upgraded their hard/soft product, as well as their IT infrastructure, distribution, etc. to ascend to the higher standards of the SkyTeam members. They've really done a tremendous job with these improvements. Furthermore, SV is present in a handful of SkyTeam hubs, which bodes well for connectivity, interlining, code-sharing, etc.

For SkyTeam, SV will help fill a huge void in their network in the Middle East, along with MEA once they come on-board in 2013. Of all the three major global alliances, SkyTeam was the only one that did not have a Middle Eastern representative until this point.

Given all of the movement and evolving dynamics of commercial aviation in the Middle East, Saudia seems quite happy remaining a relatively low-key network carrier, and I think membership within SkyTeam helps to promote their image as well as accomplish their business needs without too much of an alteration to their business model.

Nevertheless, I will agree that the restrictive nature of the KSA will indeed pose some unique challenges and opportunities, as well as the lack of scheduling/frequency convenience (since its "hubs" are spread across three locations) but again, SV is catering to a specific niche, aka one that does not really target transit or tourism traffic. As long as the rest of the ST members are all aware and comfortable with this, I don't foresee it being a problem.
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Even transiting requires a visa that is a hassle to get, correct?

No, you can transit via Saudi Arabia without a visa. You just can't leave the airport.

From Timatic:

TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets for a max.
transit [[TIRULES/R32]] time of 18 hours when inbound flight is
operated by Saudi Arabian Airlines; or
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets for a max.
transit [[TIRULES/R32]] time of 8 hours when inbound flight is
not operated by Saudi Arabian Airlines.
- Only one transit stop-over in Saudi Arabia is permitted.
- Except when flying on Saudi Arabian Airlines, where a
second transit point is permitted.
Additional Information:
- Passengers who are willing to perform Umrah while in transit
through Jeddah (JED) can obtain a transit visa up to 72
hours provided:
[[TIDFT/SA/PA/AI/ID27636]]
Warning:
- Visitors holding passports containing any Israeli visa or
stamp could be refused entry.
 
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RE: DL To Share SkyTeam Benefits With SV

Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:20 pm

I do wonder, especially with Kingdom City and JED getting a major facelift if SV will take a punt at more transit traffic.

Who of us wouldn't love a huge order for 747-8i's to build the new transit fleet?
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