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Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:14 pm

Here’s some Small Market transatlantic services for Summer ’12 from these Canadian airports:

Any others?........and what Small Market US cities have transatlantic service?

YHZ (Halifax)
YHZ-LHR Air Canada 767 Daily
YHZ-FRA Condor 3/week
YHZ-KEF Icelandair 3/week
YHZ-LGW AirTransat 1/week

YYT (St. John’s (Torbay)
YYT-LHR Air Canada A319 Daily

YQB (Quebec City)
YQB-CDG AirTransat 4/week
YQB-MRS Air Transat 1/week

YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon)
YXY-FRA Condor 1/week

[Edited 2012-06-10 05:15:11]
 
flymia
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:35 pm

Well there is AA with RDU-LHR
DL CVG-CDG
AB with RSW-DUS
DL SLC-CDG
Not exactly that small of a market but there is PDX-AMS on DL too.
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:39 pm

MIA-LIS is only around 45 PDEW.... ( I think, it was a low number that's all I remember)
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:57 pm

YEG (Edmonton)
YEG-LHR Air Canada 767 Daily
YEG-LGW Transat 330 1/week
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:16 pm

I believe
YOW-LGW - Air Transat A310 1/week
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:45 pm

Think there would still be demand for the seasonal return of GLA-YHZ and GLA-YOW
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:47 pm

YYZ-SUF 1xw Air Transat
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
DL SLC-CDG

Isn't this route year round?
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting sanjet (Reply 4):
I believe
YOW-LGW - Air Transat A310 1/week

Daily YOW-LHR and YOW-FRA on AC are not to be forgotten either.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:16 pm

JFK-VLC and JFK-AGP by DL.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 7):
Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
DL SLC-CDG

Isn't this route year round?

I believe so, but it goes down to 4x weekly in the winter.

In addition to the ones already mentioned, there's also PIT-CDG on DL and the transatlantic routes ex-CLT.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:31 pm

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
YEG (Edmonton)
YEG-LHR Air Canada 767 Daily
YEG-LGW Transat 330 1/week
Quoting runway23 (Reply 8):
Daily LHR and FRA on AC are not to be forgotten either.

I wouldn't consider YEG and YOW as small markets. YEG has had direct service to Europe for more than half a century.

[Edited 2012-06-10 11:33:19]
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 7):
Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
DL SLC-CDG

Isn't this route year round?

I believe so, but it goes down to 4x weekly in the winter.

In addition to the ones already mentioned, there's also PIT-CDG on DL and the transatlantic routes ex-CLT.

Same with DL44, CVG-CDG
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:18 pm

Didn't YHM once have direct flights to GLA?
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 2):
MIA-LIS is only around 45 PDEW.... ( I think, it was a low number that's all I remember)

I don't understand what that means. Sorry. BTW, I did fly TAP MIA-LIS-FCO and the flight loads in October were low.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 14):

Somebody posted on this forum that the Miami-Lisbon market is only around 45 Passengers Daily Each Way (PDEW). Making it a small market. PDEW only shows passengers originating from once city to the other and vice versa. It does nt reflect loads, TP makes the market work with their great connections to Spain, Italy and the rest of Europe. Also even though the market is small it's average fare is pretty high.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:54 pm

TP OPO-EWR 3/4 Weekly
S4 LIS-YYZ
S4 PDL - YYZ
S4 PDL - BOS
S4 PDL-OAK
S4 YUL - PDL - LIS
Sunwing YYZ- LIS
Sunwing YYZ-OPO
US PHL - LIS
TS FAO - YYZ

Lots of there route are seasonal, but being operated this summer
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:55 pm

Interesting thread. I'm always intrigued by this. I think the OP is thinking of routes that aren't, say, JFK-LHR.

I'll take a stab at it, including some that were posted already. So does this include small markets on either side of the Atlantic?

PDX-AMS
SEA-KEF
SAN-LHR
SLC-CDG
RDU-LHR
CVG-CDG
MEM-AMS
PIT-CDG
CLE-CDG (when it existed)
BDL-AMS (when it existed)

There are numerous smaller market routes served from JFK and EWR on 757s such as the previously mentioned JFK-VLC and JFK-AGP.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 13):
Didn't YHM once have direct flights to GLA?

Yes on the ill fated maintenance riddled GSM 757's and 767's. They stopped when Globespan when belly up.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:45 pm

CLT-DUB. Operates form May - September
CLT-MAD Operates from May- October
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting sanjet (Reply 4):
YOW-LGW - Air Transat A310 1/week

Interesting that the capitals of these two countries are served only once a week. But then I should not be surprised. Back in the early 90s I had to go DCA-YOW and had to stop somewhere along the way (Syracuse ?) . Now there are several AC and UA flights each day from DCA and IAD.
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:19 pm

I remember a few years ago when we had YQM-ORY on SS (A330-200 and even 747-400!). I don't know if we'll ever see that again...

We also had YQM-HAJ on Condor (757-300).

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[Edited 2012-06-10 15:19:53]
Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 20):
Quoting sanjet (Reply 4):
YOW-LGW - Air Transat A310 1/week

Interesting that the capitals of these two countries are served only once a week.

That's only Air Transat. AC has daily nonstop YOW-LHR 763 service. Also daily YOW-FRA.
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting ghYHZ (Thread starter):

YYT (St. John’s (Torbay)
YYT-LHR Air Canada A319 Daily

Besides that Air Canada Transatlantic A319 we now have between St. John’s and Heathrow .......Newfoundland had a couple of other interesting routes:

Around 2005-07, a weekly Astraeus 73G LGW-YDF (Deer Lake)......a small town with a population of 5,000 in western Newfoundland and I believe Monarch also did this route for awhile along with LGW-YYT.

http://www.deerlakeairport.com/index.html

(Deer Lake provided access to the Humber Valley Resort and the Gros Morne World Heritage Site)

[Edited 2012-06-10 16:58:00]
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:48 am

ANC-FRA Condor 767-300 4x weekly.

ATCT
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:39 am

YUL - BOD ( 2 per week) with Air Transat
(Montreal to Bordeaux)
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:15 am

With cheap fares LGW-YTO-LGW at £298 TS is tempting just for the A310 !
 
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RE: Small Market Transatlantic - Summer 2012

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting theobcman (Reply 26):
With cheap fares LGW-YTO-LGW at £298 TS is tempting just for the A310 !

Think tiny.
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