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On June 11th AS Starts SEA-PHL, Good Luck AS!

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:44 am

According to AS's website, today is the day they start flying SEA-PHL, good luck to AS.  

Service is scheduled to be on a 737-800 and plane is scheduled for about an hour turn and then back to SEA. Who is handling ground for AS in PHL?

[Edited 2012-06-11 04:55:07]
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:11 pm

I think AS should do well on the route. The ground handling is a good question. AS' website says Ticket/counter info will be announced soon (meaning prior to 6/11). I don't see anything on their website or PHL.org so hopefully people know where to go. Though since boardroom members have access to the DL Skyclub I am going to guess DL will do the ground handling in Terminal D, Checkin at E.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:03 pm

I'm guessing ground handling by DL as well....or possibly AA. Hope they get some signage up! First week of service has fantastic loads and FC sold out or just one or two seats on every flight. Looks like it'll be a winner!
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:18 pm

They will be using gate D6. It is an old CO gate that has since been used to RON DL aircraft. They litteraly just renovated the gate space last week. So far there seems to be a lack of seating.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
So far there seems to be a lack of seating.

Well they had better hurry! Wouldn't that be a hoot if there were no seats at the gate for their inaugural!
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:36 pm

I'm sure they'll do great! VX's planes from LAX and SFO to PHL have been doing extremely well in MC and F since we initiated service. It's a good gamble to compete against US these days. A lot of the guests I have been seeing on my flights say they are fleeing that airline. Nice to see some choices for PHL passengers now. AS has a solid product and it's nice to see them expanding so much. Good luck AS!

[Edited 2012-06-11 06:52:36]

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:27 pm

Now we need AS in CLT
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):
Now we need AS in CLT

I think AS will fly to RDU for tech and CHS for Boeing before CLT. Just my prediction.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I think AS will fly to RDU for tech and CHS for Boeing before CLT. Just my prediction.

I don't think CHS is ever going to happen. Boeing can't fill the planes up and there isn't enough traffic otherwise. CLT is the second largest banking center in the U.S. - there's far more reason to fly to CLT then CHS. I wouldn't be surprised to see CLT one day. I'd be floored if AS flew to CHS.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I think AS will fly to RDU for tech and CHS for Boeing before CLT. Just my prediction.

I don't think Boeing traffic alone would support a CHS flight, it's a relatively tiny market, and I seem to recall AS tried to connect to another Boeing facility sometime in the past and it didn't pan out.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
I don't think Boeing traffic alone would support a CHS flight, it's a relatively tiny market, and I seem to recall AS tried to connect to another Boeing facility sometime in the past and it didn't pan out.

I think you are talking about TWA's attempt at doing SEA-ICT. The fares were extremely high and the load factors were poor. There is also AS's SEA-LGB flights, which market much more than just Boeing travel to LGB. Those flights were turned back over (again) to QX and now OO. I'm assuming they hold their own.

That's an oft repeated opinion on A.net that I think is a fallacy (Large corporation XYZ has a facility at XXXX and another facility at XXXX so therefore airline YYYY could support a daily flight between the two cities). How many Boeing people a day travel back and forth between SEA and CHS? Maybe two?
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
So far there seems to be a lack of seating.



That is fairly common on that side of Terminal D, small tiny gate areas.
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:59 pm

Congrats to all involved! Another pin on the route map for the AAG.

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:38 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):

CHS would never happen RDU maybe, CLT should because it's a bigger market i don't care if US is on that route
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:40 pm

AS would fly to PIT before RDU
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
That's an oft repeated opinion on A.net that I think is a fallacy (Large corporation XYZ has a facility at XXXX and another facility at XXXX so therefore airline YYYY could support a daily flight between the two cities). How many Boeing people a day travel back and forth between SEA and CHS? Maybe two?
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
I seem to recall AS tried to connect to another Boeing facility sometime in the past and it didn't pan out.

Can you really say that about SEA-STL?
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
Can you really say that about SEA-STL?

Um, no? STL is a large market. So are RDU and CLT. CHS is comparatively miniscule. AS isn't going to overfly umpteen potential new markets to start service there, Boeing factory or not.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:51 pm

So anyway, lets talk about AS starting SEA-PHL today....or would that be hijacking this thread!   
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):

CHS is not a big market it's small. CLT is the biggest out of the 3
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:21 pm

Given the potential merger of AA-US, how long will this route last?
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 2):
I'm guessing ground handling by DL as well....or possibly AA. Hope they get some signage up! First week of service has fantastic loads and FC sold out or just one or two seats on every flight. Looks like it'll be a winner!

Can't imagine it would be AA, given that AA's gates are on A and DL's are on D:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
They will be using gate D6. It is an old CO gate that has since been used to RON DL aircraft. They litteraly just renovated the gate space last week. So far there seems to be a lack of seating.

Unfortunately, AS32 had a late departure from SEA, making the return AS33 about 1hr late:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20120611/2155Z/KPHL/KSEA
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
So are RDU and CLT. CHS is comparatively miniscule. AS isn't going to overfly umpteen potential new markets to start service there, Boeing factory or not.
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 14):
AS would fly to PIT before RDU

Ok...I could be wrong. What would be the business case for SEA-CLT (besides it's a big city)...same with SEA-PIT. Is there a large enough O/D market at CLT and PIT for AS. In the past (and present for CLT), those were/are hubs for US.

The only reason for RDU is because of the silicon and hi-tech companies between SEA and RDU. Does CLT or PIT have the same kind of businesses?

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 17):
So anyway, lets talk about AS starting SEA-PHL today

Yes...we probably should. PHL pretty much rounds out AS service to the major cities along the east coast. Does anyone know what kind of loads today's flights carried?
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 21):

Banking
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 17):

So anyway, lets talk about AS starting SEA-PHL today....or would that be hijacking this thread!   

Well, you get points for trying anyway.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 20):

Unfortunately, AS32 had a late departure from SEA, making the return AS33 about 1hr late:

Ooooooh somebody is going to catch hell for that!
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 24):
Ooooooh somebody is going to catch hell for that!

PHL was a mess today because of using 9L for departures. My PHL-CLE flt was about 45 min late pushing back and then we waited ~40 minutes to take off. We were initially late because CLE-PHL was late by about 35 minutes. This was all at 9-11am, so I imagine it became progressively worse as the day went on.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
Ok...I could be wrong. What would be the business case for SEA-CLT (besides it's a big city)...same with SEA-PIT. Is there a large enough O/D market at CLT and PIT for AS. In the past (and present for CLT), those were/are hubs for US.

Well we would have to start by looking at current PDEW numbers from SEA to all the markets.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 25):
PHL was a mess today because of using 9L for departures.

Weather?
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:56 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 20):
Unfortunately, AS32 had a late departure from SEA, making the return AS33 about 1hr late:

AS 32 left :03 early and arrived :03 late
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AS 33 left :22 late and is schedule to put skid marks on the SEA runway ON TIME!

I'm glad Alaska applied some Newark love to Philadelphia

Today marks a bad day for US Air as another route goes south of the profit line.   
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:12 am

The AS SEA-PHL route will do well. There is a large community of people from the Philly area who are transplants to the PNW and maybe even Alaska. I plan on taking the AS flight in August and December. This weekend is a trip back east but will be taking US since it was preplanned. Would prefer AS though. I also heard PHL-SEA was a big $$$maker for US too. On a seperate note, does anyone know why US did not resume the PHL-ANC flight this summer? I recall recently they were planning on going year round or at least 9 mos vs 4 or 5 mos???????
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:02 am

I can't imagine US has ever done too well on this route. While there is business traffic, the overall volume is highly seasonal, presumably coinciding with summer tourism and cruises. This winter, US only currently has one daily departure on the PHL-SEA schedule some days.

PHL-ANC was dropped as it was a long and thin route in a high fuel cost environment, and it appears that they felt they could better use that 757 elsewhere. I don't recall talk of it being expanded beyond the summer high season. It was an experiment that didn't pan out and they moved on.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:41 am

US' VP Planning Nocella was quoted about a year ago of expanding the PHL-ANC service beyond the summer season. If I can find the link I will attach. Load factors were high on the route, but again it is all about making $$$ especially in this environment.

Yes, SEA-PHL is seasonal as are most routes. US is up to 4/day during the peak season plus AS with 1/day. My days at US the route was served at least 2x's day during the off peak season and at least 1 flight was a B757 up tmer of 2001. AS obviously will have connections beyond SEA that will divert traffic from OA. The route will do well.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 29):
I can't imagine US has ever done too well on this route. While there is business traffic, the overall volume is highly seasonal, presumably coinciding with summer tourism and cruises. This winter, US only currently has one daily departure on the PHL-SEA schedule some days.

The two times I have flown east out of SEA on US, the flights were packed, this was ten + years ago on a 733 to PIT, but US does beef up operations to the NW during the summer with extra flights to both PDX & SEA to CLT, PHL & PHX. I suppose there is some reason US keeps coming back, albeit with minimal service in relation to other legacies.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 31):
I suppose there is some reason US keeps coming back, albeit with minimal service in relation to other legacies.

If US was taking deliveries for more than replacement they would probably consider keeping these flights around. Filling them has never been the issue. The length of the route versus the option to use the plane on a shorter route with the same fare premium is. It is easier for the other legacies because they have more of a familiar base on both ends, whereas US is still a minor and in some ways, new entrant in the Northwest markets. Before the HP merger US was not present in any way at PDX and was a very small player at SEA. It takes quite a while to really build up that base of frequent fliers.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 32):
If US was taking deliveries for more than replacement they would probably consider keeping these flights around. Filling them has never been the issue. The length of the route versus the option to use the plane on a shorter route with the same fare premium is. It is easier for the other legacies because they have more of a familiar base on both ends, whereas US is still a minor and in some ways, new entrant in the Northwest markets. Before the HP merger US was not present in any way at PDX and was a very small player at SEA. It takes quite a while to really build up that base of frequent fliers

*A is loosing ground in the NW and that is just fine with the likes of DL and AS. UA has down sized it's presence in the NW (I'm just waiting for UA to drop SEA-NRT) I can't see US doing much better here than they have already, US has been flying out to the NW 20 years or better, they also bought PS and failed majorly in keeping any of the old PSA alive, then US merged with HP and now lots of that west coast flying is gone, PDX & SEA are nothing more than a token presence, much like AA's presence in the NW.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Thread starter):
Who is handling ground for AS in PHL?

AFAIK, DL is...
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