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Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:09 pm

A fire at VC Bird airport, St. John's, Antigua has destroyed a hangar, two office blocks and more. A DHC-8-300 undergoing maintenance was lost in the fire, along with engineering, maintenance and other records.

"The destroyed buildings housed the engineering, accounts, records, planning and materials control departments among others."

Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/ne...-at-liat-hangar.html#ixzz1xWcPPZVh

The loss of the aircraft is one thing... but how major a setback is the loss of the records? Would back-up information normally be housed elsewhere, or could a long-term problem now exist with the fleet?
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 pm

""Reputation
LIAT has a very poor reputation among both locals and visitors. Their flights often operate irregularly, with inconsistent arrival and departure times (both late and sometimes early, even if all ticketed passengers are not on-board). Baggage is often misdirected or not loaded entirely. They are known for having very poor customer service, and their staff is surly and unhelpful. These problems have been exacerbated with the 2010 strikes - with many flights canceled and passengers stranded and unable to receive refunds.[15][16]

The airline's poor reputation has earned it the nicknames "Leave Island Any Time", "Luggage In Another Terminal", and "Late If AT all". In December 2011 they were involved in a major industrial dispute when they sacked a senior pilot for questioning their maintenance regime. This dispute resulted in cancellation of a regional conference and stranding of many passengers with typically poor communication and alternative arrangements. They have started off 2012 with further cancellations resulting in passenger stranding, and LIAT Barbadian customer reception have abused and threatened stranded customers who sought news and assistance".

I found this on wiki. If half of the things that they say are true, then loss of records could be the least of their problems. This is particularly at George Town, Port of Spain and St Vincent where there is competition.

http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Grantley_Adams_International_Airport?qsrc=3044

I would imagine that at least some of the information must be copied to the manufacturers, regulators or both.
 
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:23 pm

Isn't LIAT trying to upgrade their Q100s and Q300s with either Q400s or ATR-42/-72s?
 
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Isn't LIAT trying to upgrade their Q100s and Q300s with either Q400s or ATR-42/-72s?

I'd be a little surprised if they were going for the Q400, might result in a few routes requiring payload limits due to the length of runway available at many Caribbean airports. The ATR42 however has been shown to be a good bird in these airports/conditions, reference the American Eagle of the early 2000s as proof.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Thread starter):
The loss of the aircraft is one thing... but how major a setback is the loss of the records?

Depending on how/what records we are talking about, Bombardier will have a record of all major and most minor engineering requests.

[Edited 2012-06-11 16:49:37]
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:18 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
I found this on wiki. If half of the things that they say are true, then loss of records could be the least of their problems. This is particularly at George Town, Port of Spain and St Vincent where there is competition.

You shouldn't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Also, LI has no competition in St. Vincent as it is the only major carrier that operates in that island. Their local airline, SVG Air, operates a fleet of Twin Otters and BN2 Islanders throughout the Grenadine Islands and carrying their European and North American tourists in BGI. While LI receives competition in both GEO and POS with CAL, its not enough to cause a huge dent in LI's operation. LI has been in operation since 1956 and has an impeccable safety record. Despite its faults, "LIAT" is a household name in the Eastern Caribbean as Air Canada, American Airlines and British Airways is to Canada, USA and the UK respectively.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Isn't LIAT trying to upgrade their Q100s and Q300s with either Q400s or ATR-42/-72s?

Yes. A final decision is yet to be made.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Thread starter):
The loss of the aircraft is one thing... but how major a setback is the loss of the records? Would back-up information normally be housed elsewhere, or could a long-term problem now exist with the fleet?

Recent documents and records are backed up electronically, however unlike larger airlines, LI was a little late to the technology party and many documents, records and manuals, especially from years ago were not in electronic form.
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:39 am

LimaFoxtrotTango
I am surprised that LIAT and the local tourist Board have not challenged this report.

Whilst the locals may know the true facts, it certainly would have put me off flying with LIAT.

As a European, (potential tourist) delays, lost luggage and surly staff is not a good combination.

I would imagine that Bombardier would still have copies of the DHC8-Q300 manuals as production ended in 2009, but the DHC8-100 might be more tricky.

That said, if they still had the BAC One-Eleven, Britten-Norman BN-2 Islander, De Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter, De Havilland DH-114 Heron and Hawker Siddeley HS 748, they really would have trouble getting copies.
 
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:59 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
You shouldn't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

My country of birth is Antigua, and one thing I note is everyone loves to knock LIAT. Just like we used to knock Beewee.

However, that is the same here, Air Canada is fair game in Canada, as is Qantas in Australia, BA in the UK, etc etc etc.

Bottom line is that for more than half a century LIAT has been reliably carrying people around the Caribbean. I would suggest their "dissatisfaction rate" is no different than any other regional carrier.

I am very happy to read that no one was hurt. Hangars can be rebuilt, new aircraft can be purchased ....
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:31 pm

More details- sounds bad.

http://www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=76388



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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 4):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):Isn't LIAT trying to upgrade their Q100s and Q300s with either Q400s or ATR-42/-72s?
Yes. A final decision is yet to be made.

Any indication on which airplane they are leaning towards? I would guess BBD and ATR would be in a bidding war over this order, even though it would be small, compared to others. BBD might need this order much more than ATR would.
 
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
I am surprised that LIAT and the local tourist Board have not challenged this report.

That section with almost identical wording shows up on Wikipedia every few months. It is soon taken down because there is no source of the data - just the personal opinion of apparently one or two people.

When the 'author' manages to get a new web identity, the section returns to Wikipedia.

The section was removed on May 20, 2012 as not meeting Wikipedia requirements for sources, and added again on May 27, 2012.

It has been added and removed 5 times since last November.

[Edited 2012-06-12 08:06:47]
 
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RE: Liat Hangar And DHC-8-300 Destroyed In Fire

Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
Whilst the locals may know the true facts, it certainly would have put me off flying with LIAT.

Well you might not have a choice to a lot of places in the Caribbean. It's either get on LIAT, take a boat or swim. I know first had having visited all of the eastern British West Indies. I will never do the boat ride ever again!!!! I'll take my chances with LIAT. I spent 2 months traveling all over the Eastern Caribbean and never prayed so many times for God to let me live through this event, between airplane, boat, and taxi rides. I love the islands and the people but getting around can be downright terrifying. I took 16 LIAT flights in that period and other flights on smaller airlines and planes and I think I experienced just about every IRROPs known to man short of the a plane actually crashing. Let me tell you, I have never been so HAPPY in my life to step foot on a Continental Plane as I was in POS when I was going back home.
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