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Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:31 am

http://rbiuk.ceros.com/abdn/iata-day2/page/6

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A350 and Boeing 787 under consideration

Interesting Article. Can you imagine a 787 in B6 Colors?  
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:43 am

Well that popped up quick. It has been discussed before after one of the earnings calls too that lead to a long discussion on here. It is obviously needed to go with his vision for our airline, although it would really come with a lot of other financial drains including facilities constuction or expansion.

Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting werdywerd (Thread starter):
Interesting Article. Can you imagine a 787 in B6 Colors?

i hope the 787 i have a Feeling it be A350 more then likely..... Hoping 787
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:56 am

I dont see how we can be considering widebodies, when we cant even build a domestic network beyond the east coast.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):

Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

Oh boy, B6/AA/US! All managed from Tempe!  

I think that the 787 might make the best business sense for B6...except that they'll be lucky to get one by 2015. Perhaps they might be able to lease some A330's in the mean time? I just wonder if the A350 might be too much plane.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:04 am

Uh oh, what's it gonna be in Florida. . MIA, FLL or MCO???

Regardless, Delta and AA will not be amused!
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I think that the 787 might make the best business sense for B6...except that they'll be lucky to get one by 2015. Perhaps they might be able to lease some A330's in the mean time? I just wonder if the A350 might be too much plane.

They will be even luckier if they manage to get A350s in 2015. I suspect it will be more "and beyond" and less 2015 with these plans. Considering that these will be their first major long haul routes, and probably would end up being a very small part of their operations, I'm not sure it makes sense to spend a lot of money operating a small fleet of one type(i.e.leased A330s) just to quickly transfer to an all new plane.

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

  

Quoting Blueman87 (Reply 2):
i have a Feeling it be A350 more then likely

Yeah I agree, but do you think that B6 is as dedicated to Airbus as US is? That's the deciding point here.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
Regardless, Delta and AA will not be amused!

but us passengers will be!  

What routes could we see B6 flying?
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
but us passengers will be!

What routes could we see B6 flying?

They would be very usefull in Caribbean routes out of the NYC area- for example JFK-STI/SDQ/KIN and SJU. I am sure they would also be used for expansion as well.

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:16 am

The article I linked talks of Latin America expansion and wide body use
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 8):
They would be very usefull in Caribbean routes out of the NYC area- for example JFK-STI/SDQ/KIN and SJU. I am sure they would also be used for expansion as well.

Would we see TATL/TPAC routes too?

I could easily see B6 doing JFK-KIX or JFK-NGO (DL is too entrenched at NRT for B6 to pull a profit from there, IMO)
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:29 am

Interesting that the A350 is being considered. I s

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Yeah I agree, but do you think that B6 is as dedicated to Airbus as US is? That's the deciding point here.

I think the A350 is just too much of a plane for B6 starting off Intl Ops with. I think Boeing will be eager to land a new customer for the 787 and I think it is a more appropriately sized.

Why B6 wants to focus on International Ops when they can't even be bothered with flying to the middle of the country and weak west coast presence is beyond on me though. A.net wisdom does say that Intl Ops makes more money than domestic ops.

B6 needs to show it is serious to its investors though , and they need to come up with a growth plan and I guess this is it.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:36 am

The optimal business model includes some widebodies. It is staring them in the face every day at JFK and LAX. Plenty of their staff came from legacies who know the financials of the industry cold. If running A350s to LHR, FRA makes sense, B6 will do that.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:38 am

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:10 am

You have to remember that B6 is in a position where their hubs have a lot of international demands. They could run A350's from FLL to places like GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL and give AA a run for their money. They could also run A350's from MCO to places like MAN, London, and GRU. From JFK/BOS they could run the A350's to slightly under served European routes that have monopolies and need competition. Can't think of any markets off the top of my head but there sure is potential for widebodies in B6's route network. But, it all looks good on paper but in reality they will have to try very, VERY, hard to make it work.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:12 am

Why not the A330? They could get them quicker than a 787 or A350.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Why not the A330? They could get them quicker than a 787 or A350.

With Boeing's planned 787 production increase couldn't they create some available slots ? Or does this create issues for the seriously delayed aircraft they owe everyone else ?
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 16):
With Boeing's planned 787 production increase couldn't they create some available slots ? Or does this create issues for the seriously delayed aircraft they owe everyone else ?

Are there any cancellations up front in the queue?
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:59 am

I believe the Chinese airlines cancelled some of the early birds but due to them being the orphan planes nobody wanted due to the re-work , overweight etc ...
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:07 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):
I dont see how we can be considering widebodies, when we cant even build a domestic network beyond the east coast.
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 11):
Why B6 wants to focus on International Ops when they can't even be bothered with flying to the middle of the country and weak west coast presence is beyond on me though. A.net wisdom does say that Intl Ops makes more money than domestic ops.

B6 needs to show it is serious to its investors though , and they need to come up with a growth plan and I guess this is it.

I think we've seen ample evidence in this industry that trying to fly everywhere and follow the legacy model can have dire consequences. Frankly, if they want to be east coast-centric, good for them. If it works, why not?

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Would we see TATL/TPAC routes too?

Dave Barger does say in the article that "we are looking at larger aircraft, especially out of New York and especially Latin America. There is already plenty of service to Europe and Asia". Saying that there is "already plenty of service" to me suggests that they would not be going TATL/TPAC, but then again, they have the perfect hub locations for TATL and BOS is underserved from Asia even with JL in town. And there are plenty of small European markets that could work from BOS.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:54 am

As far as I know the B787 is sold out until 2018 or 2020. Something like that so the only possibility of B6 getting an B787 is through the leasing channel, and I am not sure how many of those are even available. IMO the A350 and even B777 is too big for B6. They should focus more on improving ROIC and stop with these grandiose plans until then. But given their inability to grow JFK too much they will need to upgauge on some routes beyond the A321 to add new markets from JFK or even BOS.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:02 am

Well it could be possible they would be getting them, either 787 or A350, from a leasing company. Thats the only way I see them getting those aircraft in that timeframe IMO. So not exactly impossible I think.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 am

It would be lovely if they expanded with widebody operations. I know South America would be more likely, but I wish they flew to Europe as well; I'd certainly use them if they came here.

I'm guessing A330s rather than B787s or A350s.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:47 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

Well see if B6 and AA merged then...  

B6 would IMO go with all Airbus. They seem to already like the product and can probably use the leverage of getting great prices on wide bodies if they attach more 320's to the mix.

If they do Latin America, could we also see some additions maybe out of LGB, LAX or OAK to further south destinations like BOG, CCS, LIM? That would probably require some of the E190's to connect to those cities mentioned though...which would be the hurdle. Boy would I love to see B6 fly FAT-GDL or MEX though!
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:07 am

The A330 is ideal for B6's planned network expansion. and Airbus is promising more capable versions of the A330 in the coming years.
The B787 and A350 are too much of an aircraft to jut serve Europe and South America.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:32 am

A330 all the way. Their A320 pilots will only need a 2 day training course to be able to fly it.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:42 am



Im not gonna lie.... That would be bad ass looking... Maybe even do a JFK-HNL Route??
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:05 am

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 25):
coming years.The B787 and A350 are too much of an aircraft to jut serve Europe and South America.

While the 787 and A350 may have double the range for JFK to Europe operations it will be used on those routes, when the 767 retires what is going to replace it , a 787. United will use 787 from Newark , Dulles and Chicagi to Europe sooner then later. When AA gets a deal with its pilots, if they do, they will fly 787 on many current 777 routes to EZE, GRU and GIG.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:07 am

Quoting KKephart13 (Reply 27):
Im not gonna lie.... That would be bad ass looking... Maybe even do a JFK-HNL Route??

A330-300 would be much better looking   Also for their planned route network the perfect plane  
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 20):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):Would we see TATL/TPAC routes too?
Dave Barger does say in the article that "we are looking at larger aircraft, especially out of New York and especially Latin America. There is already plenty of service to Europe and Asia". Saying that there is "already plenty of service" to me suggests that they would not be going TATL/TPAC, but then again, they have the perfect hub locations for TATL and BOS is underserved from Asia even with JL in town. And there are plenty of small European markets that could work from BOS.

Agreed, unless he is blowing smoke, and I doubt it is, LatAm is big business for B6 and they are most likely being very honest about their intentions, at this point. We all know things change in this industry with a shift in wind direction, I think "if" B6 orders A330's, A350's or 787's (the least likely, but my first hope) IMO, By the time the planes are on property, the need may be elsewhere for B6 planes, maybe a new burst in the European economy or a rise in Asia business travel, that with maybe a downturn in LatAm by then, who knows. So I bet they are looking at LatAm, but by 2015, who knows, maybe they'll be delivered in AA livery by then.

Quoting columba (Reply 29):
Im not gonna lie.... That would be bad ass looking... Maybe even do a JFK-HNL Route??

A330-300 would be much better looking Also for their planned route network the perfect plane

I doubt a JFK-HNL, B6 feeds HA's JFK-HNL route, I think that may be a test for B6 to see how many passengers they do transit JFK for HA's HNL n/s but a very nice looking plane in B6 colors.   
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:45 am

I know its not a widebody but... correct me if im wrong, but doesnt B6 Have 321's entering service in 2013? Any word on what they plan on doing with those?

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting KKephart13 (Reply 31):
Well correct me if im wrong, but doesnt B6 Have 321's entering service in 2013? Any word on what they plan on doing with those?

If they are NEO's, B6 could do it's ETOPS certification and start LGB-HNL with them, to get ready for further overwater flying.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:14 pm

Or, dare I say it, lease or buy 767s!
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 33):
Or, dare I say it, lease or buy 767s!

Thats what I was thinking! If HA can make them work, perhaps we can too. Not too big and plenty capable. -300 aren't too big and the -400 would allow us to increase capacity if needed. Dont forget, Barger came from CO and is farmiliar with the 767s, esp since CO was one of the only airlines to take the B764.

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting Philly65 (Reply 21):
As far as I know the B787 is sold out until 2018 or 2020. Something like that so the only possibility of B6 getting an B787 is through the leasing channel, and I am not sure how many of those are even available. IMO the A350 and even B777 is too big for B6.
Quoting MEA330 (Reply 25):
The A330 is ideal for B6's planned network expansion.
Quoting MEA330 (Reply 25):
The B787 and A350 are too much of an aircraft to jut serve Europe and South America.
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 33):
Or, dare I say it, lease or buy 767s!

Of all those airplanes, the B-767-300ER would be best for B6, and they can get them as quickly as they want when compared to the B-787, A-330, or A-350. The B-763 has the range for BOS-HNL, or BOS/JFK- most European airports, or BOS-RIO carrying a decent pax load. In a 2 class configueration the B-763 seats about 270 and can take them nearly 6,000 nm. If B6 wanted a bigger airplane, they could also order the B-767-400ER which has more than a 5,600 nm range and seats about 305 in 2 classes. There are B-763s available for almost immediate lease, but not the B-764. Even new build B-767s for B6 can begin being delivered in about 2 years after the sales contract is signed.

The A-330-200 is a much bigger airplane, and the -300 is even more so. The A-332/-333 seat more (295 for the A-332 and 330 for the A-333 both in 2 classes) and more range (A-332 out to 7,250 nm and the A-333 just slightly more than the B-764 at about 5,800 nm). Does B6 need that much range or capacity? I don't think there are very many A-332/3s available for a quick lease, but new builds could be delivered in about 2.5 years.

The B-767 is not only less costly than the A-330, but its MTOW is more than 100,000 lbs lighter (B-763=412,000 lbs, A-332=520,000 lbs), so it is cheaper to operate. Even the B-764 weighs in less than the A-332, at 450,000 lbs MTOW.

Both the B-787 or A-350 would not really be available until 2018, or later, at the earliest. Also, both would be more costly than either the B-767 or A-330 to purchase.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 19):
Frankly, if they want to be east coast-centric, good for them. If it works, why not?

There are only so much growth opportunities out of the East. Since B6 is a publicly traded company , investors will want to know what management is doing to return more profits in the future - if they can do it with staying out of the East then awesome.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Of all those airplanes, the B-767-300ER would be best for B6

I still say the A330 is much better for them as they offer commonality with their A32x fleet. Also if they go for a new manufacturer they would be better of waiting till their get their hands on some leased 787s
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:33 pm

On the one hand, this sounds like 'PeopleExpress Buys 747s' Part II.

On the other hand, at least JetBlue got themselves very well established before they started talking about 'big planes.'
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Quoting Philly65 (Reply 21):

As far as I know the B787 is sold out until 2018 or 2020. Something like that so the only possibility of B6 getting an B787 is through the leasing channel, and I am not sure how many of those are even available. IMO the A350 and even B777 is too big for B6. They should focus more on improving ROIC and stop with these grandiose plans until then. But given their inability to grow JFK too much they will need to upgauge on some routes beyond the A321 to add new markets from JFK or even BOS.

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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 14):
You have to remember that B6 is in a position where their hubs have a lot of international demands. They could run A350's from FLL to places like GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL and give AA a run for their money. They could also run A350's from MCO to places like MAN, London, and GRU. From JFK/BOS they could run the A350's to slightly under served European routes that have monopolies and need competition. Can't think of any markets off the top of my head but there sure is potential for widebodies in B6's route network. But, it all looks good on paper but in reality they will have to try very, VERY, hard to make it work.

Given that B6 lacks a premium cabin, and premium cabins formulate the backbone of revenue on the aforementioned routes, how would B6 be giving AA a run for its money? Of course, B6 could establish one. But high-value consumers who purchase high-revenue tickets are generally attracted by FF programs, of which B6 isn't competitive with.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:53 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 40):

That's why I said they're going to have to work very hard to get the wide bodies to work. The fact is they are an LCC with no premium cabin as you said, LCC's and wide blues have never really worked. Unless used in a very low-yield configuration.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):Of all those airplanes, the B-767-300ER would be best for B6
I still say the A330 is much better for them as they offer commonality with their A32x fleet.

B6 wasn't too concerned about that wihen they ordered their E-190s. The A-330 is a 100% increase in size over the A-321, which they won't take delivery of until 2013. The B-763 is an increase of about 60% in size compared to the A-321.

Either way, I am happy to see B6 is going to add some color to their airplanes with the addition of the "I love NY" logo later this year.
 
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RE: Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond

Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:02 pm

No one, near as I can tell, has any interest in serving South America-Boston. Maybe that's the play for JetBlue.

Everyone talks about 787s helping Boston-Asia routes, but Boston-South America is probably more valuable than even Boston-Middle East (Qatar has said that Boston's coming when the 787s do).
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 43):
No one, near as I can tell, has any interest in serving South America-Boston. Maybe that's the play for JetBlue.

Its probably been overlooked numerous times.... If B6, Well letalone any airline starts any N/S BOS - South America route, it would be packed. Ill bet a lot of money that pax would love to avoid JFK,IAD or MIA....
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting KKephart13 (Reply 44):
Its probably been overlooked numerous times.... If B6, Well letalone any airline starts any N/S BOS - South America route, it would be packed. Ill bet a lot of money that pax would love to avoid JFK,IAD or MIA....

The knock against Boston-South America isn't that the flights wouldn't be 'packed' (they would be, like you said...heck, the town of Framingham alone would do it); it's that they wouldn't be 'profitable.' That's why a 'long-and-thin' route can be made profitable with either of these planes.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting KKephart13 (Reply 44):
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 43):No one, near as I can tell, has any interest in serving South America-Boston. Maybe that's the play for JetBlue.
Its probably been overlooked numerous times.... If B6, Well letalone any airline starts any N/S BOS - South America route, it would be packed. Ill bet a lot of money that pax would love to avoid JFK,IAD or MIA....
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 45):
The knock against Boston-South America isn't that the flights wouldn't be 'packed' (they would be, like you said...heck, the town of Framingham alone would do it); it's that they wouldn't be 'profitable.'

Isn't about 1/3 of the seats on their A-320s Y+ seats now? I just don't think you need a small number of F seats on an airplane to make money. Often these seats don't get fully sold.

Also,if B6 wants their first WB in 2015, that pretty much limits them to just the B-767 and A-330.
 
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RE: Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond

Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:10 pm

The problem with BOS-S America:

1. It is not NY. It is a much smaller city

2. NY with all of its S America flights is just down the road

3. BOS is a terrible connection point for anyone not in New England if you are going south. Heck, even if you are going from NY State, it is more direct to connect in NY or DC. That connection cachment area still doesn't scream for
S America flights from BOS

4. If you look at B6s BOS growth, it is focused on high frequency short/medium haul business markets alongside of the traditional leisure markets that people in BOS want to go to.
 
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RE: Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond

Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 47):

1. It is not NY. It is a much smaller city.

2. NY with all of its S America flights is just down the road

The metro Boston area...which really matters much more to an airline...is quite large, populous, and diverse. Lowell. Lawrence. Nashua. Manchester. Worcester. New Bedford. The list goes on and on. These are the places that would fill these planes...not just 'Boston.'

If JFK being 'Just Down The Road' were a good enough reason not to serve Boston, NO carrier would.
 
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RE: Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond

Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting KKephart13 (Reply 27):
Maybe even do a JFK-HNL Route??

I doubt they would bother with that since HA just launched this route in the past month. I don't think there is enough room on the route for both carriers to make a profit.

I would love to see B6 get some long-haul aircraft, it would really put them out there as a major carrier. Who knows, if this would be successful for B6 maybe AS and NK would start some longhaul. Although I would never fly them longhaul, knowing them they would order A330-300 with 420 seats (20/400)   

Hm,I think the first route on B6 would have to be something ex JFK to South America. I wanted to say Brazil but I don't believe there are any open slot frequencies for B6.
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