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DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:10 pm

It has been a while since this question has been answered. What is the current number of in service MD-90 s? Also what is now the average monthly addition to the fleet?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:56 pm

There are 43 in service, 9 delivered but not yet in service, and 13 still awaiting delivery from JAL. They have been adding them at about 3-4 per month, but I expect this rate to slow down some as there haven't been many aircraft leaving the desert lately.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:09 pm

Have you heard about any additional MD-90 acquisitions or are they done since the possibility exists that we will be acquiring the 717s?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:44 pm

After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:13 am

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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:19 am

Any T-tailed jet with high bypass turbofan engines - regardless of its current cockpit configuration - is being considered for acquisition.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:41 am

There are plenty more 717's in the desert in addition to the 88 from FL (pending pilot contract approval).
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:37 am

Can someone list the tail numbers and where they were acquired from?
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:50 pm

Here's the complete breakdown:

9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern

In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting n515cr (Reply 3):
After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).

The only reasonable candidates for future DL service are the EVA and Uni birds (11 total). The Lion birds are trashed (but might be useful as parts sources). The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
There are plenty more 717's in the desert in addition to the 88 from FL (pending pilot contract approval).

None that are available at the moment. BCA's birds are going to Volotea.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.

That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting bigbird (Reply 2):
Have you heard about any additional MD-90 acquisitions or are they done since the possibility exists that we will be acquiring the 717s?

i think that the Md-80 must go, and it needs to go fast, dont get me wrong i love the maddog but its a fuel sucker.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 8):
Here's the complete breakdown:

9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern

In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252

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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting totesen (Reply 11):
i think that the Md-80 must go

Err... this thread is about the MD-90, not the MD-80.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 8):

Thanks.........   
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting n515cr (Reply 3):
After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and

Doesn't FAT (Far East Transport) have some -90's in storage? I would love to see some -90's here in ROC.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:23 pm

When will the remaining JAL birds be delivered?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10):
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10):
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?

Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.

Ehhh kind of. The avionics suite is nearly identical, but B717 and MD90 overhead panels and systems are completely different. The glass -90's have an overhead panel that match the semi-EFIS -90's already on property. Its quite similar to the MD88.

The B717 panel is total different. More similar to the MD11 than anything else.

Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.

True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.

McDonnell Douglas had the intention for the "glass" MD-90 and MD-95 flight-decks to be the same category. Remember, the Saudi flight-deck was the original design for the MD-90. It just so happened that the majority of operators wanted to streamline with their MD-80 fleets. The 717 is literally an MDC developed MD-95 with about a dozen mods. It is my understanding that if DL could operate the ex-Saudi -90s and the 717s under a single category.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.

Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category. Saudia MD-90's and 717's are different animals too. Also can't be operated as single cat. But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds. Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds.

No worries here. At present, I would agree.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.

Now you're telling me things I have informed you.   The 717 fleet may near ~ 100. Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right?  
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category.

I guess I stand corrected. Even though it's a moot point, I find this very interesting.

A stock MD-81 and an EFIS MD-88 differ significantly, but are approved for same category. Do you know what specifically the hang-up was with the 717 and "glass" MD-90? The overhead panel that much of an issue?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right?

Nope, 80. but it will never get to that number. Look for 76

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
The 717 fleet may near ~ 100

Might be closer to 120  
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 24):
Nope, 80.

Exactly.    The next 11 should be on-line by 2014.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 24):

Might be closer to 120

Maybe, we'll see. In your opinion, where do you think the extra frames will come from?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 23):
A stock MD-81 and an EFIS MD-88 differ significantly, but are approved for same category. Do you know what specifically the hang-up was with the 717 and "glass" MD-90? The overhead panel that much of an issue?

Check out some photos in the database of MD90 vs 717 overheads. They look like totally different animals. Systems are completely redesigned on the 717 also. I don't know specific differences, but I've jumpseated on both enough to know that I'd never want to be qualified on both at the same time.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:49 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 23):

Yes, they are that different. I've flown both. The overhead panel is quite different as far as placement and format of switches, but the general systems design is the same. This becomes a problem when doing a flow. The bigger issue is the flight director/autopilot/FMS. They are completely different and have more in common with an A320 than MD-88 which is why the FAA will not allow the MD-88 & 717 operate as a single type.

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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:07 pm

As DL continues to add more M90s to their fleet, I know there has been an emphasis to fly them out of the MSP hub a good portion of the time.
Is there a specific reasoning when DL places an M90 on a route versus using a 73H or A320? DL used to fly the M90 frequently into SNA, but they have decided for the time being to utilize the A319 on their MSP-SNA route which MSP-SJC sees the M90.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 28):
Is there a specific reasoning when DL places an M90 on a route versus using a 73H or A320? DL used to fly the M90 frequently into SNA, but they have decided for the time being to utilize the A319 on their MSP-SNA route which MSP-SJC sees the M90.

Do you remember if the M90s were flying to SLC or MSP?

Just a guess, but SNA-MSP with a full load on a hot day may be stretching the M90s range. SNA's main runway is just 5700ft long. SJC has 11,000ft runways.

DL does seem to use M90s and 320s somewhat interchangeably - one of the SEA-MSP flights was switching between the two recently, so I doubt one aircraft is obviously superior than the other on that particular mission.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 28):
Is there a specific reasoning when DL places an M90 on a route versus using a 73H or A320?

The MD-90 has far less range than either the 320 or 738, so operating them principally out of a hub where there are no transcons makes things easier.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 28):
DL used to fly the M90 frequently into SNA, but they have decided for the time being to utilize the A319 on their MSP-SNA route which MSP-SJC sees the M90.

I find it hard to believe the MD-90 was doing MSP-SNA. I can believe it was doing SLC-SNA before. SNA is a very performance-challenged airport and using the 319 or 73G there is usually warranted.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 30):
I find it hard to believe the MD-90 was doing MSP-SNA. I can believe it was doing SLC-SNA before. SNA is a very performance-challenged airport and using the 319 or 73G there is usually warranted.

Used to see the 90's here in LAX quite a bit pre-merger, so it makes even more sense that they'd fly them out of SNA, given the performance requirements there.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
Doesn't FAT (Far East Transport) have some -90's in storage? I would love to see some -90's here in ROC.

Looks like they had 2, but those went to EVA and UNI (according to planespotters.net)...looks like both of those aircraft bounced around between the 3 carriers.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:04 pm

What happened to the Saudi MD-90 that flew to New Mexico a couple of months ago?
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
The Lion birds are trashed
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 24):
Nope, 80. but it will never get to that number. Look for 76

Are we sure Delta wouldn't be interested in picking up the Lionair birds if the price was right? Yes, would it take more refurbishment to get them to get them to Delta spec, but if Lionair practically gave them away I wouldn't see why Delta wouldn't pick them up. That would bring the fleet count to 80 I believe.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 29):

Do you remember if the M90s were flying to SLC or MSP?
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 30):

I find it hard to believe the MD-90 was doing MSP-SNA. I can believe it was doing SLC-SNA before. SNA is a very performance-challenged airport and using the 319 or 73G there is usually warranted.


Most

They were flown to SLC and perhaps DFW at one point. They have only flown SNA-MSP since the merger with NW.

I NEVER said they were being operated on SNA-MSP.

I think the majority on here know that SNA is a performance challenged facility. Such a shame.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 33):
we sure Delta wouldn't be interested in picking up the Lionair birds if the price was right?

Never say never at DL. If the price and the circumstances meet their needs, they may pick them up. I think the odds are against it though.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 33):
Are we sure Delta wouldn't be interested in picking up the Lionair birds if the price was right? Yes, would it take more refurbishment to get them to get them to Delta spec, but if Lionair practically gave them away I wouldn't see why Delta wouldn't pick them up.

My understanding is that only two of them even remain flyable, and those two would probably not be considered flyable for a reputable first-world operator.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 30):
The MD-90 has far less range than either the 320 or 738, so operating them principally out of a hub where there are no transcons makes things easier.

To put it in perspective.

MD-90- 1,992 SM
A320- 2,336-2,420 SM
738- 2,850-2,930 SM
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:07 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 34):
They were flown to SLC and perhaps DFW at one point.

In 1997 IIRC, one trip ONT -> DFW on MD90s. I was impressed with the large tour group - many smaller children and their car seats - easily accommodated; and the hot day performance out of ONT.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 35):
If the price and the circumstances meet their needs, they may pick them up. I think the odds are against it though.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 36):
My understanding is that only two of them even remain flyable, and those two would probably not be considered flyable for a reputable first-world operator.

Is this just a.net rumour or is there some hard evidence to support this? The insides might look rough, but Delta refurbished the interiors of 25+year old 5500 series 757s that were 'trashed' and they actually look pretty good now. Perhaps in their present condition they wouldn't be condsidered flyable for Delta, but Delta has a world class MRO, I'm sure Delta TechOps has seen planes in worse conditions than the LionAir birds and got them into decent condition.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 39):
Is this just a.net rumour or is there some hard evidence to support this?

Lion originally had 5 aircraft. Two definitely won't fly again, two are flying, and there is some question about the last one.

LN 2129 has been returned to Boeing. I've heard it will be scrapped but it hasn't happened yet, and Boeing is still offering it for sale.
LN 2133 has been wfu and partially parted out because of severe damage to the front of the aircraft around the nose gear following an accident. Boeing is offering it for sale, one assumes only for parts.
LN 2144 and LN 2181 are still flying, and being offered for sale by Boeing.
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 39):
Is this just a.net rumour or is there some hard evidence to support this?

The interior is the least of the worries with the Lion Air aircraft. The much greater concern is the condition / maintenance of the structure, AD items etc. A lot of hidden damage can occur to an aircraft that may have been subjected to questionable maintenance.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting 727forever (Reply 27):
The bigger issue is the flight director/autopilot/FMS. They are completely different and have more in common with an A320 than MD-88 which is why the FAA will not allow the MD-88 & 717 operate as a single type.

The facts remains that they ARE the same type with the same rating.

A DC-9 type rated pilot can fly the 717 as well as the MD-88 with a few days of differences training and no new certificate.

From the FAA type certificate:

Quote:
2. PILOT “TYPE RATING” REQUIREMENTS.
In accordance with the provisions of FAR 1 and 61, the same pilot “type rating” is assigned
to all DC-9/MD-80/MD-90and 717 variants listed in paragraph 1.3, and is designated “DC-9”.

And fyi paragraph 1.3 lists:

Quote:
1.3 This report addresses DC-9 variant models including: DC-9-11, -12. -13, -14, -15, -15F, -21, -31
-32, (VC-9C), -32F, (C-9A C-9B), -33F, -34, -34F, -41, -51, and MD-80 variant models including:
DC-9-81 (MD-81), DC-9-82 (MD-82), DC-9-83 (MD-83), DC-9-87 (MD-87), MD-88, MD-90-30,
MD-90EFD, and 717. Refer to FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet A6WE.



Also, here's the detailed differences training. The transition from DC-9 to MD-90 is as intensive as MD-88 to 717.

http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?...d=9BBC66604A7BBDF18625778C006F1775

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[Edited 2012-06-18 23:23:37]

[Edited 2012-06-18 23:23:52]
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 42):
The facts remains that they ARE the same type with the same rating.

A DC-9 type rated pilot can fly the 717 as well as the MD-88 with a few days of differences training and no new certificate.



You're missing the point. You can't fly a 717 one month and a MD90 the next without going through difference training every time you switch models. It's the same Type rating "WITH DIFFERENCES", enough differences that the FAA requires retraining when switching from the DC-9 to the MD80/90 to the 717, and retraining isn't free. This is why Delta has a DC-9 category and a MD80/90 category.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:38 pm

Which aircraft are the next to come online? Is the plan to have all of the ex-JAL birds active by the end of the year?
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 40):
LN 2129 has been returned to Boeing. I've heard it will be scrapped but it hasn't happened yet, and Boeing is still offering it for sale.
LN 2133 has been wfu and partially parted out because of severe damage to the front of the aircraft around the nose gear following an accident. Boeing is offering it for sale, one assumes only for parts.
LN 2144 and LN 2181 are still flying, and being offered for sale by Boeing.

Interesting. Are these owned by Boeing or is Boeing just acting as the sales manager?

Quoting B757forever (Reply 41):
The interior is the least of the worries with the Lion Air aircraft. The much greater concern is the condition / maintenance of the structure, AD items etc.

I completely understand, there's a lot more to an aircraft than just a shabby interior. The question is again if the price is right, does Delta TechOps have the capability to address internal issue and address the AD items, etc.? I'm sure the answer is yes. Sounds like these birds would need a minimum of a Delta HMV check to get them servicable.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 44):
Which aircraft are the next to come online? Is the plan to have all of the ex-JAL birds active by the end of the year?

Thirteen of the JAL birds haven't even been delivered yet. Six China southern and three JAL birds are on property and it's a safe bet those will be active by EOY.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 45):
Interesting. Are these owned by Boeing or is Boeing just acting as the sales manager?

Owned by Boeing. Not sure whether they always belonged to Boeing or whether Boeing's ownership arose from Lion's later transactions with Boeing.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 45):
does Delta TechOps have the capability to address internal issue and address the AD items, etc.? I'm sure the answer is yes.

Depends on the nature of damage they find. But remember that the whole appeal of the MD-90s is that they are very inexpensive to acquire and put into service, while only being a bit more expensive to operate than 738s. Pouring extra millions into a substandard frame to make it mostly less substandard isn't going to be very appealing to Delta.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 45):

I completely understand, there's a lot more to an aircraft than just a shabby interior. The question is again if the price is right, does Delta TechOps have the capability to address internal issue and address the AD items, etc.? I'm sure the answer is yes. Sounds like these birds would need a minimum of a Delta HMV check to get them servicable.

Better question....Does Delta's outsourcing vendor have the capability.....   
New airliners.net web site sucks.
 
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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 43):
You can't fly a 717 one month and a MD90 the next without going through difference training every time you switch models

Yeah. That's not right. You clearly do not have to take it every time, you have to take it once.

The type cert is intended to allow mixed fleet flying.

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RE: DL MD-90 S In Service?

Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:14 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 48):
Yeah. That's not right. You clearly do not have to take it every time, you have to take it once.

Only way the FAA was going to sign off on a single DC-9/MD80/90/717 category at DL was with a 90 day refresher course for each pilot flying the type. Again you're missing the point. A type rating is a type rating. A refresher course is a refresher course. This is again why DL does not have a single DC-9/MD80/90 category, it is to costly. DC-9 pilots at DL do not fly MD80/90's without first having "REFRESHER" courses.

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