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Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:38 pm

Japan Airlines announced that San Diego - Tokyo Narita will start on December 2, 2012. Sales to begin on June 13/14th depending on world region.


Press release: http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201206/002159.html
 
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:00 pm

Awesome finally they announced the dates, less than six months left.

Quoting GRUIAD (Thread starter):
Sales to begin on June 13/14th depending on world region.

Wonder how much a ticket will be.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:22 pm

Asia and the 787 all in one shot. Nice little early Christmas present for San Diego indeed!   
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 2):
Nice little early Christmas present for San Diego indeed!

What a Christmas present indeed!!

I wonder where's SANFan? Missing in action?? Big grin

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:37 pm

British airways is doing well at San Diego, now JAL announces start dates.

GO SAN DIEGO, hell yeah......
 
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:28 pm

Am I still asleep and dreaming or is this real?! Fantastic to finally hear the date; I just checked the JL website yesterday 'cause it seemed like they would want 6 months lead-time or so.

I guess this means they are fairly positive that they will have the frames in-house to start the service early in the month.

This is a very happy day!

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:57 pm

Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 6):
Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!

So far it's been BOS, SAN and SJC (on ANA, which starts next year.) UA recently announced DEN-NRT for next
year too. (All using 787s).
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 6):
Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!

AFAIK, SAN-NRT will be the second scheduled 787-route involving the U.S. -- international or domestic. (Someone please update me if this is not correct.) And of course it may not hold up. BOS-NRT is, AFAIK, the first, and only, 787-route in the U.S. currently.

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 7):
So far it's been BOS, SAN and SJC (on ANA, which starts next year.) UA recently announced DEN-NRT for next
year too. (All using 787s).

This is what the 787 is for (among other things), to open up new non-stop routes that weren't previously viable. Don't forget that ANA also announced SEA-NRT on the 787 although that route is already served by other carriers.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Don't forget that ANA also announced SEA-NRT on the 787 although that route is already served by other carriers.

ANA decided not to wait for the 787 to start SEA, they already started with a 777. I guess it's a matter if they
will continue to use a 777 for SEA-NRT or switch to the 787 when one comes available.(as originally planned).
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:37 pm

It seems that the 787 is ideal for Tokyo (and it does help that the first two deliveries for the 787 are to both Japanese airlines - JL and NH) and already in the U.S. we see them adding the new cities of BOS, SAN and SJC. Then of course, DEN is added with UA....... and that 4 new cities from the U.S. alone that the 787 to/from Tokyo is showing it's utility.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:44 pm

From what it appears to me is that JAL's DEL-NRT flight using the 787, was upgraded to a 777, so my guess
is the 787 that was operating DEL-NRT will do SAN-NRT instead. (Don't quote me on this I may be wrong!)
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
From what it appears to me is that JAL's DEL-NRT flight using the 787, was upgraded to a 777, so my guess
is the 787 that was operating DEL-NRT will do SAN-NRT instead. (Don't quote me on this I may be wrong!)

It should be noted that on 28OCT2012 JAL will deploy the B-787-8 on HND-SIN daily and NRT-SIN 2x daily.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:20 pm

Great news for SAN!
I may have to give this route a go  

Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX    
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX

Maybe. Like I said, that's one of the things the 787 is for to open up non-stops markets economically like SAN-NRT (or PDX-CDG, SJC-LHR, etc). I wonder if PDX-NRT could support a second frequency by JL or NH. I also wonder if someone will give SLC-NRT another try with the 787 being a better airplane for that mission.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX

On another site, NRT lists SAN, LAS, MCO and DEN as U.S. routes that it seeks. Both SAN and DEN are now going to be realized, and LAS lists 100,000 and MCO lists 59,000 annual O&D pax.

I think that LAS will probably be next on someone's list..... and after that..... maybe MCO? And after that, well, a number of U.S. cities w/o current n/s service to NRT that could probably support it via 787, including PHX, PHL, and just maybe MIA.

So now from NRT, we have HNL, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, MSP, ORD, DTW, ATL, IAD, EWR and JFK. BOS was recently added, and DEN, SJC and SAN are in the pipeline. That's a lot of U.S. cities now n/s to NRT, as well as the points from HND, which are HNL, SFO, LAX, and then DTW and JFK. WOW!

As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well.......?
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 pm

The most fascinating part of this is that these routes (to the US) are mostly routes the 787 was intended for, secondary Int'l cities from hubs. The only exception being DEN-NRT.
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:59 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
I think that LAS will probably be next on someone's list

I know in the past JAL and NW both had LAS-NRT flights, but they were discontinued.

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well

I thought SLC-NRT was seasonal?
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:03 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
The only exception being DEN-NRT.

I wouldn't agree really, the DEN-NRT routing is in that same vane.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 10):
ANA decided not to wait for the 787 to start SEA, they already started with a 777. I guess it's a matter if they
will continue to use a 777 for SEA-NRT or switch to the 787 when one comes available.(as originally planned).

To be more specific, NH will begin SEA-NRT with a 777-300ER. If loads are good with the 77W, why would they want to downsize the aircraft to the Dreamliner?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:38 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't agree really, the DEN-NRT routing is in that same vane.

Just opinion. I could agree with your side to. DEN could defiantly be considered a secondary market. However it's a huge hub and obviously NRT is, well NRT.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:38 am

Awesome. My wife and I travel to Japan at least once a year, so this is going to be great. No more connecting through LAX or SFO! But it will be a bummer to give up on UA miles though...
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well.......?

Well, that may happen. But that won't be till at least 2020, that is the earliest DL will actually accepts their first 787

It would only make sense though, it is their largest West Coast hub sure they could get enough people on connections to fly SLC-NRT. Plus it is a pretty good size banking center now (I believe it is Goldman Sachs fourth largest office in the world, and I'm sure a few more banks will start reasonable operations there due to a low tax rate the state is offering)

I really can't figure a better route for DL to choose to launch their 787
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 21):
DEN could defiantly be considered a secondary market.

I'm pretty sure DEN is the busiest commercial airport in the western half of the US (by daily departures).
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:26 am

Very good San Diego! Looks like San Diego is slowly expanding?! Going to be interesting seeing a 787 landing in San Diego!

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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:45 am

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 25):
Very good San Diego! Looks like San Diego is slowly expanding?! Going to be interesting seeing a 787 landing in San Diego!

  

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
So now from NRT, we have HNL, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, MSP, ORD, DTW, ATL, IAD, EWR and JFK. BOS was recently added, and DEN, SJC and SAN are in the pipeline. That's a lot of U.S. cities now n/s to NRT, as well as the points from HND, which are HNL, SFO, LAX, and then DTW and JFK. WOW!

With all those cities mentioned above it seems like MIA should be somewhere on the list ... LOL.

I'll admit I'm not exactly and expert on Japan-USA travel statistics/passenger numbers but there seems to be a bit of a bubble building up to TYO with all these secondary cities in the US, I can't help but wonder how all these secondary cities are going to affect frequencies and aircraft type on the more traditional routes (ORD,NYC,LAX,SFO,DTW/MSP) since the Japanese economy isn't exactly booming and the new routes just continue to pull feed away from those cities. Although I'll admit I'm not exactly and expert on Japan-USA travel statistics/passenger numbers but there seems to be a bit of a bubble building up to TYO with all these secondary cities in the US. Or do they really think they can pull that much more connecting traffic into TYO?

Finally, I've wondered if any of Japanese carriers are considering using these new 787s on routes to secondary cities in Japan (CTS,FUK,ITM,NGO,KIX) from the US instead?
 
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:27 am

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 25):

SAN is really getting a lot of attention from One World! First, BA launches their service to LHR, and now JL is launching their service to NRT. Even though it's a short flight, and often with such beautiful views, it must be nice not to be routed through LAX to get to the U.K, Japan and destinations beyond. I suspect this flight will do very well. I wonder if AA would consider adding a few destinations to SAN to act as a feeder?
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:13 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
I wonder if PDX-NRT could support a second frequency by JL or NH. I also wonder if someone will give SLC-NRT another try with the 787 being a better airplane for that mission.

I like the way you think, but from what I understand, PDX is lucky to have the flight it does on DL, going back and forth from 330's to 767's, I'd love to see NH or JL here in PDX, but neither carrier would have any kind of feed out of here, except for AS/QX, DL does connect some passengers through PDX to Japan, but have no idea the percentage split.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 24):
I'm pretty sure DEN is the busiest commercial airport in the western half of the US (by daily departures).

Over LAX, SFO or even SEA? Western half of the US is a big place, some would include DFW and IAH in the western half too.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 26):
Or do they really think they can pull that much more connecting traffic into TYO?

With UA, DL, NH and AA/'JL all having hubs in Tokyo, I'd expect a large percentage of passengers are connections.
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:10 pm

How much of a premium do you think that they will charge for the 787?

I know when the 380 started service that they had premium prices just due to the plane and I wonder how this will translate to JA.
 
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
The only exception being DEN-NRT.

DEN is a huge UA hub, as is NRT. I'd bet that UA, with its relation with NH, will find a way to make this work, in the same way that the LH DEN-FRA flight is just about almost always packed full.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 23):
Well, that may happen. But that won't be till at least 2020, that is the earliest DL will actually accepts their first 787

It would only make sense though, it is their largest West Coast hub sure they could get enough people on connections to fly SLC-NRT.

I would also think that if there is a way to make SLC-NRT work on a more consistent basis, DL will find the way.

 
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Of course I don't have any inside scoop, but it appears as though--from a dispatch/reliability standpoint--Boston-Narita has been doing very well. There hasn't been one flight cancellation in either direction, and the departure/arrival times since service began have been reasonably precise.

I think they only have four flying now: 822, 825, 826, & 827. All four have been through Boston several times, especially now that the service has gone daily.

One of our great video/spotters at Logan caught a pretty amazing bit of footage earlier this week which is on YouTube. It shows the JAL 787 landing right over a Russian IL-76 holding short, ready to depart. Now, I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Cold War, but if someone showed me this footage in 1984...seeing a weird two-engine JAL aircraft flying right over a Russian plane...at LOGAN...I would have fainted.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 26):
With all those cities mentioned above it seems like MIA should be somewhere on the list ... LOL.

I could see AA or JL pulling it off once more 787s are delivered .....or when AA buys the 787      
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:27 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 28):

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 24):
I'm pretty sure DEN is the busiest commercial airport in the western half of the US (by daily departures).

Over LAX, SFO or even SEA? Western half of the US is a big place, some would include DFW and IAH in the western half too.

DFW and MSP are just east of the geographical center of the US. At least according to airnav.com DEN has about 50% more flights than SFO or LAX.
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 33):
DFW and MSP are just east of the geographical center of the US. At least according to airnav.com DEN has about 50% more flights than SFO or LAX.

Well if that's true, then I am beyond surprised, you have increased my knowledge.  
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
I thought SLC-NRT was seasonal?

Not any more. DL permanently discontinued it last year.
 
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RE: Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT

Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:51 pm

just booked on HKG-CX-NRT-JL-SAN =) looking forward to sampling JAL's J seat and service on their brand new plane
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 36):

just booked on HKG-CX-NRT-JL-SAN =) looking forward to sampling JAL's J seat and service on their brand new plane

Do a trip report for us! Looks like One world is taking over SAN.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 27):
SAN is really getting a lot of attention from One World! First, BA launches their service to LHR, and now JL is launching their service to NRT. Even though it's a short flight

BA is doing very well in SAN. With the help of AA's codeshare agreement. We are seeing some nice expansion too, from several airlines.
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 37):
Looks like One world is taking over SAN.

BA is doing very well in SAN. With the help of AA's codeshare agreement. We are seeing some nice expansion too, from several airlines.

Next up, maybe we look to the south -- WAY south!? (Isn't LAN a OneWorld member?... and aren't they getting some 787s in the near future? Hmmmm...)   

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Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 37):
We are seeing some nice expansion too, from several airlines.

Yeah, like from my home airline. I wonder if a certain airline will finally sign a FF and code-share agreement with JL and provide code share connections to the JL NRT flight at SAN to MCO, PVR, SJD, MRY, FAT and STS?

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