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BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:41 pm

Flightglobal reports today that the two BAW A318s have been transferred to a new company, 'British Airways Limited' and will no longer operate under their AOC - strange!.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...a318s-under-new-subsidiary-372970/
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:11 pm

Unfortunate, one thing about this unique and fabulous service I liked was that it was BA mainline, when the rest of the operation at LCY is CityFlyer / Express / franchise etc.

"The new subsidiary has emerged from a previous company established under the name Acoperco on 14 March." Sounds like something more to do with Iberia than BA.

"It has also sought clearance for British Airways Limited to codeshare with Oneworld partners Iberia - BA's corporate sister - and American Airlines on the 32-seat A318 routes." I have long been surprised by the lack of codeshare activity on the route. Well, I don't see much advantage for the unlovely Iberia, but it's a perfect route for American Airlines' corporate clients, many of whom are heading for the City, so this bit, at least, is way overdue.

Of course the pilots and ground ops will still be done by BA, and this is mostly a bookkeeping exercise, but it's still very disappointing. What convoluted announcements will start the flight? "This British Airways plc, subsidiary of International Airlines Group, international flight is operated by British Airways Limited, from London City, by your London Gatwick based crew." Make it stop.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:15 pm

The codesharing with AA was in place before the service transferred to BA Limited. Approval had to be sought for BA Limited to codeshare with AA.

Whatever the reasons most customers won't notice any difference. All that will be said is that the service is operated by BA Limited for British Airways.

Nothing to get particularly excited about!
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:18 pm

This surfaced on pprune a while back and no one seems to know what the idea is. Given crews are pulled from LGW and LHR mainline, how does having the A318s on their own AOC impact on this?
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 2):
Whatever the reasons most customers won't notice any difference. All that will be said is that the service is operated by BA Limited for British Airways.

Nothing to get particularly excited about!

Whatever this means lets remember one thing, this service essentially replaced Concorde. IS BA going to change anything on its most noticible flights ? NO WAY, its 32 Club Seats only, different and better seats.
 
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
This surfaced on pprune a while back and no one seems to know what the idea is. Given crews are pulled from LGW and LHR mainline, how does having the A318s on their own AOC impact on this?

It doesn't seem to affect crewing at all.

It could be one of two things:

1. As hinted in the article, BA is seeking new financing for this service or a partner and wants to transfer the operation into a separate company.

2. There is some clever finance/tax structuring going on internally dreamt up by external advisers and it necessitates setting up a separate operating/trading company, and the niche LCY-JFK happens to be the perfect vehicle to do this.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:27 pm

Im a little confused by this. Why are they creating a new subsidiary to operate two A318s under the same BA brand? Whats the game plan behind this? Is this some sort of legal loophole?
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
This surfaced on pprune a while back and no one seems to know what the idea is. Given crews are pulled from LGW and LHR mainline, how does having the A318s on their own AOC impact on this?

Take a look at the comment about finding new sources of financing. That's the thing BA is being mysterious about.
 
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
ever this means lets remember one thing, this service essentially replaced Concorde.

Oh good grief, it most certainly did not, they just gave it the same flight numbers. That and JFK are the only two things in common. It's the slowest way to cross the atlantic by commercial aviation. This is a Business Class route, Concorde was a First Class + route.

So can the mainline crew still fly this even though it is not on their Air Operators Certificate?

[Edited 2012-06-13 16:03:13]
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:25 pm

What's even more interesting is the new ICAO code and callsign for this new subsidiary.

ICAO code - BAT
Callsign - Gherkin

however I'm pretty sure BA will still use BAW and Speedbird for the flights. In fact, today was their first day of operation, and based on flightaware, ICAO code was still BAW.

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:36 pm

AA noted in an internal announcement today that it's codeshare with BA on these flights is temporarily suspended because it is now classed as a wetlease agreement with a carrier AA is not approved to sell codeshare tickets on. Current AA* flight number bookings are being rebooked onto the BA prime flight numbers. It expected it to be a temporary situation.

Very curious.....
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:54 pm

Maybe someone figured a stand-alone entity, unburdened from BA plc, would be raking in profits and could finance new aircraft for expanded LCY service on better terms than BA plc could...

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 2):
Approval had to be sought for BA Limited to codeshare with AA.

The US DOT granted approval for AA and IB code-shares on June 11.

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
It doesn't seem to affect crewing at all.

Yet.
I can't help it but find this arrangement a bit puzzling. BA ltd is going to rent crews from BA plc only to lease them back to BA plc under a wet-lease. Why not do a dry lease?

There may be an explanation as innocent as the one I propose above, or not. Since it has it own AOC and code-share authorizations, there's nothing stopping BA ltd from hiring its own crews tomorrow if it wanted to; or stopping BA plc from selling the whole operation, lock, stock and barrel, and running it as a franchise.

Of course, those are just my worse-case scenarios (from crew's pov). The future may be far less dramatic, but it may not be.
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:59 pm

God who would fly it? Experienced ETOPS crew wanted for the same route every day........
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
"The new subsidiary has emerged from a previous company established under the name Acoperco on 14 March." Sounds like something more to do with Iberia than BA.

My guess is that it is a contraction of "AirCraft OPERating COmpany".

Coincidence? Probably not.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:31 am

"Gherkin" isn't a bad callsign for an airline that's likely to only ever operate from LCY - seeing as the building with that nickname is one of the most visible features near LCY.

However I can't see them not using Speedbird 1 / 2 seeing as they have that to hark back to Concorde.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:39 am

Isn't this almost like, when Boeing 777's based at gatwick where owned by another operating company, painted in BA colours, but the crew where from First Choice Airways?
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:03 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 15):
Isn't this almost like, when Boeing 777's based at gatwick where owned by another operating company, painted in BA colours, but the crew where from First Choice Airways?

No. It will still be operated by BA mainline pilots and cabin crew.

Whatever the reason for this it is not to get around pilot/cabin crew contracts and set up a low cost operation in the UK. There's no way BALPA would be allowing this - they would see it as the thin end of the wedge. Remember BALPA agreed to productivity changes for BA mainline pilots to ensure bmi mainline pilots were integrated into BA and not kept as a separate operation to compete internally against BA mainline.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:36 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 16):
Whatever the reason for this it is not to get around pilot/cabin crew contracts and set up a low cost operation in the UK. There's no way BALPA would be allowing this - they would see it as the thin end of the wedge. Remember BALPA agreed to productivity changes for BA mainline pilots to ensure bmi mainline pilots were integrated into BA and not kept as a separate operation to compete internally against BA mainline.

Might be a tax reason then.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 9):
ICAO code - BAT
Callsign - Gherkin

BAT and Gherkin ?

lol
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:25 am

It is absolutely nothing other than internal housekeeping....and creating a discrete profit centre, perhpas in advance of some expanded activity to be put through it.....Rumours are it is neutral/nothing or an exciting development.

Customers wont notice any changes, flight numbers wont change, crew arrangements wont change...its a total non story...for now
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
2. There is some clever finance/tax structuring going on internally dreamt up by external advisers and it necessitates setting up a separate operating/trading company, and the niche LCY-JFK happens to be the perfect vehicle to do this.
Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 2):
Whatever the reasons most customers won't notice any difference. All that will be said is that the service is operated by BA Limited for British Airways.

My guess is that they will still say "this is the British Airways flight to New York" The passengers will be none the wiser at the financial jiggery pockery going on behind the scenes, unless of course they are the bankers who have dreamt the idea up
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:09 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):ever this means lets remember one thing, this service essentially replaced Concorde.
Oh good grief, it most certainly did not, they just gave it the same flight numbers. That and JFK are the only two things in common. It's the slowest way to cross the atlantic by commercial aviation. This is a Business Class route, Concorde was a First Class + route.


The 45 minutes is lots less time then driving all the way to LHR from the "City". "Concorde" was neither First or Business Class, it was a narrow seat with decent catering.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting mutu (Reply 19):
It is absolutely nothing other than internal housekeeping....and creating a discrete profit centre, perhpas in advance of some expanded activity to be put through it.....Rumours are it is neutral/nothing or an exciting development.

Customers wont notice any changes, flight numbers wont change, crew arrangements wont change...its a total non story...for now

for now......??

Well it's certainly got all our little brains whirring hasn't it !
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:37 am

The price for Concorde and the marketing was aimed at the First market.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:42 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
The price for Concorde and the marketing was aimed at the First market.

Of couse it was.

The price-tag for London to New York in 3 hours for people for whom getting from London to New York in 3 hours made a difference was cheap !!!
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 15):
Isn't this almost like, when Boeing 777's based at gatwick where owned by another operating company, painted in BA colours, but the crew where from First Choice Airways?

The 772s in question (G-VIIO, 'IP and 'IR) were ordered by BA and on delivery were leased to Airline Management Ltd (AML), a joint venture between BA and the Thomas Cook subsidiary, Flying Colours Leisure Group who also operated as Flying Colours Airlines. The three aircraft were operated in BA livery and flown by BA flight crew. The cabin crew were Flying Colours employees but wore BA uniforms.

This joint venture was dissolved on 20 May 2000 soon after Thomas Cook re-branded its airline as JMC Air in March 2000. At that time the three aircraft were returned to BA, their cabins were reconfigured to a less dense layout and the aircraft were returned to operations as part of the BA Gatwick Fleet.

In March 2003 Thomas Cook re-branded JMC Air, this time to Thomas Cook Airlines. It still operates as such today. There was never any involvement of First Choice Airways at any stage of the above operations.

Note that the three 772s were operated as part of a joint venture with another company. However the two 318s will be operated by a BA subsidiary, British Airways Ltd. Analogy wise this is the same as OpenSkies which is also a subsidiary of BA and also operates only into JFK.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 25):
The 772s in question (G-VIIO, 'IP and 'IR) were ordered by BA and on delivery were leased to Airline Management Ltd (AML), a joint venture between BA and the Thomas Cook subsidiary, Flying Colours Leisure Group who also operated as Flying Colours Airlines. The three aircraft were operated in BA livery and flown by BA flight crew.

They were fitted 10 abreast in Y, whereas mainline BA 777 were / are 9-abreast. I flew LGW - St lucia on one not realising that - never again!
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 26):
I flew LGW - St lucia on one not realising that - never again!

Nowadays ten abreast is the new norm. Emirates have them, Air New Zealand, KLM and now American are taking new their aircraft with ten abreast having begun services with nine abreast. D'ooooh
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 25):

D'oh got the wrong company but correct starting letters.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Whatever this means lets remember one thing, this service essentially replaced Concorde.

I had a chat to the route manager recently who gave me that spiel about it being a Concorde replacement. Whatever the spin, which doesn't work, it is nowhere near Concorde or Concorde service. Being couped up in that tiny plane is no luxury.


Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
Oh good grief, it most certainly did not

I second that.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
Whatever the spin, which doesn't work, it is nowhere near Concorde or Concorde service. Being couped up in that tiny plane is no luxury.

Spin? The A318 is wider than the Concorde was! A318 cabin width is 12ft 2in wide and Concorde was 8ft 7in. Don't get me wrong I love the Concorde and wish I could have flown it but the only luxury that it has on the A318 service is flight time. I'd much rather be in the business class seats.
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
I had a chat to the route manager recently who gave me that spiel about it being a Concorde replacement. Whatever the spin, which doesn't work, it is nowhere near Concorde or Concorde service. Being couped up in that tiny plane is no luxury.

While I'm not in a position to say whether this flight is a Concorde replacement or not, it is a niche flight that is priced above BA's normal Club fares from London to New York but I do agree with you that nothing will ever replace Concorde.

Also, re: "being couped up" - I don't know the dimensions of the A318 cabin and I never had the privilege to fly on Concorde, but my understanding was that Concorde's cabin was very cramped as well?
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
Being couped up in that tiny plane is no luxury.

Being couped up in 'any' plane (even an A380) is no luxury.

Flying is basically the pits to anyone that does it on a regular basis.

No matter what airline or class of cabin.

All airlines do is try and extract the most amount of money they can by making it as bearable as they can for those of us who 'have' to fly as part of our job etc

What's good about the LCY-JFK service is avoiding being processed through a large airport as even at JFK you're on the sidewalk in 10 minutes.

I would imagine the little airbus has a similar feeling to the upper-deck on a BA 744 which is always the most preferred/sought after cabin in Club World.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:38 pm

Worth bearing in mind that British Airways has been Limited since it stopped trading on the stock exchange, one can only buy shares in IAG SA, though many places still incorrectly refer to BA as plc. (Public Limited Company).
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 32):
What's good about the LCY-JFK service is avoiding being processed through a large airport as even at JFK you're on the sidewalk in 10 minutes.

I would imagine the little airbus has a similar feeling to the upper-deck on a BA 744 which is always the most preferred/sought after cabin in Club World.

Agreed especially on the JFK end. T7 is by far my favorite terminal at JFK - it's so easy to use and on the whole hassle free. Compare that to the mess that's T3 with DL and T4 for VS gets super busy as the international banks begin, which is especially bad given that the VS Clubhouse is pre-security. AA's T8 is nice though.

BA's investment at LCY for this flight is also quite nice, and the 20 minute check in cut off is key.

In my mind this service is far and above the best way to fly between London and New York.
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 34):
In my mind this service is far and above the best way to fly between London and New York.

Well i'm sure it has been discussed before but what is unique about London to New York and why things like Concorde and the A318 work is because of the abundant wealth of the passengers (i.e bankers/finance etc) and that it is only a 6/7 hour flight that connects the 2 biggest players in the financial world.

It's kind of like the whole 'Earth being the perfect distance from the Sun' thing.

That fact that both cities are global hubs and attract massive amounts of tourism is just an added bonus.

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 26):
They were fitted 10 abreast in Y, whereas mainline BA 777 were / are 9-abreast. I flew LGW - St lucia on one not realising that - never again!

All three aircraft were withdrawn from service following on the ending of the Flying Colours JV. 'IR was returned to service on 8 May 2000 followed by 'IP on 22 May and 'IO on 8 June after they had had the ten-seat rows replaced by nine-seat rows in their 'M' Class cabin. This reduced the total seat count from 383 (J28 / M355) to 337.

There was a further cabin configuration change with the introduction of a World Traveller Plus cabin. These three aircraft were then configured for 280 passengers (J40 / W24 / M219) again with nine-seat rows in the rear cabin. This is the cabin configuration in which all three 772s still operate holiday flights to the Caribbean and Florida today.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):
BAT and Gherkin ?

Yes. BAT sort of makes sense.

"B"ritish "A"irways Limi"T"ed

Best they could do i guess, considering BAL belonged to the former Britannia Airways.

Also, as EIDL mentioned, Gherkin also kind of makes sense now, because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_St_Mary_Axe

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 33):
Worth bearing in mind that British Airways has been Limited since it stopped trading on the stock exchange, one can only buy shares in IAG SA, though many places still incorrectly refer to BA as plc. (Public Limited Company).

Company No. 01777777 British Airways plc still very much exists but its shares are no longer listed on a stock exchange now
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
I had a chat to the route manager recently who gave me that spiel about it being a Concorde replacement. Whatever the spin, which doesn't work, it is nowhere near Concorde or Concorde service. Being couped up in that tiny plane is no luxury.

You've got a lot more personal space on the A318 than you ever did on Concorde.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 32):
I would imagine the little airbus has a similar feeling to the upper-deck on a BA 744 which is always the most preferred/sought after cabin in Club World.

I was thinking the same thing.

We all have to realize Concorde was an aberration. A freak footnote in commercial aviation history. There won't be another supersonic commercial flight for at least another 100 years. We'll be flying on A32x, 737s, 777s, 787s and A350s likely for the next 50 years.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 37):
Yes. BAT sort of makes sense.

"B"ritish "A"irways Limi"T"ed

Best they could do i guess, considering BAL belonged to the former Britannia Airways.

Oh I know it makes sense. Just kind of amusing for an airline.

'gherkin 001 please proceed to flight level......'

mmmm

Now that definitely isn't very Concorde.

or

BAT Air under the callsign Gherkin 001 brought in a host of celebrities for New York fashion week today on its unique all business class A318...........
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:46 pm

I doubt there is any real intention to use that callsign on the JFK flight.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 41):
I doubt there is any real intention to use that callsign on the JFK flight.

That's correct. As the flights are still branded as a BA operation, they will continue to use the "Speedbird" callsign.

The "Gherkin" callsign will be used during nonrev flights, where the aircraft is being moved around for other reasons.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 42):
That's correct. As the flights are still branded as a BA operation, they will continue to use the "Speedbird" callsign.

The "Gherkin" callsign will be used during nonrev flights, where the aircraft is being moved around for other reasons.

I should think so !

 
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Whatever this means lets remember one thing, this service essentially replaced Concorde. IS BA going to change anything on its most noticible flights ? NO WAY, its 32 Club Seats only, different and better seats.

I disagree. The only thing that these flights had in common with the Concorde were the flight numbers, which according to some of the A-nuts on here have some sort of meaning. It is in no way similar to the Concorde service; there is room to breathe, the seats are quite comfortable on the Airbus, and ,oh yeah, the present aircraft take a little longer to reach New York.
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 44):

I disagree. The only thing that these flights had in common with the Concorde were the flight numbers, which according to some of the A-nuts on here have some sort of meaning. It is in no way similar to the Concorde service; there is room to breathe, the seats are quite comfortable on the Airbus, and ,oh yeah, the present aircraft take a little longer to reach New York.

It's a premium service. It's exclusive. Out of the 1000's and 1000's of people that travel between London and New York daily nobody else is doing it quite like those few and certainly nobody else is being spared JFK customs.

LCY is minutes from the financial heart of London. It's just SO easy and painless.

I arrived at JFK (regular BA service) at 10.30pm a couple of weeks ago. Thank god just before Cathay and even then I didn't get to Midtown until 12.30am. (with hardly any traffic)

In that respect it has an element of Concorde about it. Not sure what that element is but it's something.
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 45):
In that respect it has an element of Concorde about it. Not sure what that element is but it's something.

Yeah I see your point, but my point is that it doesn't replace the Concorde service, flying non-stop to New York in 3 1/2 hours, being cramped in to the little cabin...
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 46):
but my point is that it doesn't replace the Concorde service

Well I don't think that 'officially' i.e from a BA perspective the service is looked upon as a replacement for the Concorde 'aircraft' itself.

The 'service' on the other hand is a committment by BA to offer a more expeditious means of travel between NYC and London for the 'revenue boosting' city types that frequent the route on a 'very' regular basis.

The money the route generates combined with the 'opportunity' to utilise LCY (just good luck really as i'm sure JFK was never a planned route for the airport) on a route that is just about do-able with an A318.......

I suppose it all just fell nicely into place.

The use of the BA1, BA2 flight numbers is just a totally 'gratis' way of giving the service a little extra kudos which has no other connection to the Concorde than that.

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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 34):
which is especially bad given that the VS Clubhouse is pre-security

not any more....

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en.../airport-guides/jfk/clubhouse.html

"Located - beyond the TSA checkpoint, in the A-Concourse and above boarding gates A4 and A5."
 
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RE: BAW A318s No Longer Operated By BAW!

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 48):
not any more....

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en.../airport-guides/jfk/clubhouse.html

"Located - beyond the TSA checkpoint, in the A-Concourse and above boarding gates A4 and A5."

Hadn't realized this. While it doesn't negate the pain that security at T4 can be during the evening rush, it is vastly better than having the lounge pre-security. I'm sure the new Clubhouse is very nice as well!
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