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Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:17 am

Ok, I know this is not the norm, but, years ago there was a 744 going to NZ from Boeing, that plane flew down to PDX, where it operated a one-time only PDX-AKL flight, full with passengers, it was advertised here locally, the return was allowed on any NZ routing via LAX. I went to PDX to watch it take off to the west on the south runway. We sat in the parking lot between 82nd avenue and the cargo buildings, and could felt the jet as it took off full. I have always wondered why airlines don't do special flights to help offset the costs of operating a plane being delivered new or used to their HQ.
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:03 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Thread starter):
I have always wondered why airlines don't do special flights to help offset the costs of operating a plane being delivered new or used to their HQ.

QF frequently ferried their new Boeing's to LAX (even SFO/ YVR in the past) to operate a service to Australia.

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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 1):
QF frequently ferried their new Boeing's to LAX (even SFO/ YVR in the past) to operate a service to Australia.

I think I had heard something about QF doing something like that from SEA as a one time only SEA-SYD flight too. So is it just NZ or QF? Why isn't this more the norm, than most times the plane is ferried empty or with just a few reps?
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Thread starter):
I have always wondered why airlines don't do special flights to help offset the costs of operating a plane being delivered new or used to their HQ.

Most airlines don't have commercial infrastructure in Seattle or Toulouse. You have to compare the revenue they can gain against the cost of all the impromptu setup they'd have to do...fuel contract, catering, gate, baggage handling, flight permits, etc.

It would have to be a pretty lucrative flight to make that viable on a one-off basis.

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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:24 pm

I believe Cargolux's first 748 had its delivery flight with cargo, but that's cargo 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:27 pm

ET has done this from Seattle in the past.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:30 pm

In 1984, EL AL's first 767 flew from Seattle to YMX then to TLV. The YMX-TLV was live revenue flight.


Some airlines dont deliver their planes right to their hubs. Some planes need some after market items added or like F9, the delivery tax in CO is very high so all their delivery flights go to PHX, then to DEN as revenue flights.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:43 pm

Once in a while, AS will do press flights or charity flights (like Make A Wish) between Boeing Field and SEA, with some sightseeing.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:18 pm

There was a time when airlines offered seats and a return tickets on delivery flights.. several things killed it.. insurance, company lawyers, and greedy passengers.. you got a box lunch, some wanted first class catering, then one prima donna arrived late and sued the airline for not waiting..
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:07 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
Most airlines don't have commercial infrastructure in Seattle or Toulouse. You have to compare the revenue they can gain against the cost of all the impromptu setup they'd have to do...fuel contract, catering, gate, baggage handling, flight permits, etc.

It would have to be a pretty lucrative flight to make that viable on a one-off basis.

Really, it is not that big of a deal. It is no worse than a charter flight or a diversion. There are companies that provide these services on a one-off basis for very reasonable rates.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:45 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 1):
Quoting RWA380 (Thread starter):
I have always wondered why airlines don't do special flights to help offset the costs of operating a plane being delivered new or used to their HQ.

QF frequently ferried their new Boeing's to LAX (even SFO/ YVR in the past) to operate a service to Australia.

QF took delivery of several 744s in YVR (probably tax-related) and operated them as extra-section revenue flights nonstop YVR-SYD. I flew on the first of those flights (nonrev) in August 1990. It was the first-ever nonstop flight from Canada to Australia and all passengers were given a certificate signed by the captain and purser stating that fact. They offered special discounted fares on those flights and limited the passenger load. The flight I was on was about half full. I think it's the only time I've flown on the first commercial flight of a brand new aircraft.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
Most airlines don't have commercial infrastructure in Seattle or Toulouse.

But when MD was building planes at LGB I wonder if any airline ever took delivery of a new MD-80 by just taxiing over to the passenger terminal and using the new plane for a regular PAX flight. AS seems like a possible canidate since they used to fly MD-80s and have flights out of LGB.
 
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RE: Question:Aircraft Delivery Flights With Passengers

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:24 pm

The second of BA World Cargo's 748Fs, G-GSSE, was delivered to Atlas Air, then leased to Global Supply Systems and wet leased to BA World Cargo. After delivery it was ferried PAE-HKG (BAW8307) on 19 December last. At HKG it was exchanged for 744F G-GSSB (returned to Atlas Air) before it operated HKG-DAC-DEL-STN (the latter being its home base) as scheduled casrgo flight BA3462.

Just over a week later sister ship G-GSSF was also ferried to HKG and exchanged for 744F G-GSSA before it operated scheduled cargo flight BA3428 (HKG-DEL-STN).

Why these two aircraft were ferried PAE-HKG which is almost 6,500 miles and not PAE-STN that is under 4,800 miles is a bit of a mystery, at least to me. But I do not know what happened to the two 744s after they were exchanged at HKG except that the day after they arrived there their British registrations were cancelled and that 'SA was registered N495MC to 5Y and 'SB was registered N475MC to Wells Fargo NW.