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UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:29 am

Did you here Boeing might convert up to 30 MD 11's for UPS, and a few 747's too. I wonder where they will come from ??? Fedex has allready secured all of AA's and Swiss Airs ??? Maybe Delta,KLM,???
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
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RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:32 am

Delta wants to dispose of them ASAP, that is assuming they have enough 777s on order and able to be delivered in time.
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RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:37 am

You've got to feel sorry for UPS pilots though - there they were, thinking they'd got away with it - 757/767s, A300s and 747s, that was enough. Let Fed Ex have the '11s and they could bypass them. . .

I wonder how many volunteers they're going to have for conversion. As nice an aircraft as it looks (and I certainly can't wait to see them), I have yet to hear of a pilot that actually likes to fly them. Still, as a freighter, it does the job; Martinair is out, as all but one of its aircraft are now flown as freighters. Still, there is CAL, Thai, KLM (as you mentioned), possibly Varig and Finnair - all of which would no doubt relish the possibility of foisting their aircraft on some poor unsuspecting airline.

This isn't intended as a joke; many airlines operating the '11 would have concerns about their ability to get rid of the aircraft and this would have ramifications for their fleet plans; if they can't sell it, they might as well hold onto them. Now, with UPS expressing an interest, I'm sure they'd get quite a few approaches from airlines.
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RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:46 am

I said in a earlier post that it looks like they will be coming from JAL and China Eastern at first. The initial order is for approx 13 aircraft with and additional 20 to 25. The deal isn't inked yet but it should be by years end.
Alot of pilots feel it is a good choice to go with the MD-11, I wish it was the 744 but long range lift is needed with the China routes starting April 1 of 2000. The 744 couldn't be delivered in time. It was said that Boeing was going to lease UPS MD-11's in the meantime while the 744f was being manufactured and able to come on line. I guess thats not going to happen  
I do look for more 742's to enter the fleet though  
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RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:53 am

The md 11's only hope for the furture is as a freighter, it does good as a freighter, All the Fedex md 11 crews I know like fling them. Thier honeywell flight computers are seconded only to the 777 , and they can carry as much freight as a 747-100, with one less pilot and one less motor. so it will be worth alot for a long time.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!

RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:06 am

Where did you hear that the pilots hate flying the MD-11 and MD-10F? My brother is a pilot for Fed-Ex and loves them both. He says , and I agree, that all aircraft have their little likes and dislikes and this airplane is no different, but draw straws to fly them? I don't think so.
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RE: UPS MD11's

Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:15 am

OK for all!!!, Okforall.

It will do just perfect as a freighter, for both companies and flying crew.
Passenger services will decrease rapidly, I think.
I'm sorry for that, I think the MD 11 is a lot more comfortable flying than any 747 I've flown.
Flights are less bumpy, seating is more comfortable.


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