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Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:29 am

Good morning folks and welcome - after what must have been the longest thread we've had in a very long time - to our 9th thread of 2012.

We can at least say that our success in aviation is better than our success in football!

It's been an interesting month with some interesting developments, most recently - as reported at the end of the previous thread - the decision by the British OFT that FR's shareholding in EI - affected competition; watch this space for some further fireworks. Although both carriers are Dublin based, both have significant operations in the UK and of course, FR has seven bases there. This could get very interesting. Could EY increase its EI shareholding (or indeed buy the shares directly from FR)?

Thankfully, the security problems faced by DUB, as reported in the last thread, seem to be over; let's hope the DAA puts this unfortunate episide permanently behind it and learns some lessons.

The Summer season is now well in operation and let's hope that passenger numbers continue to climb; May saw a bit of a dip, but that was largely due to exceptional traffic last year.

Well, here's to some interesting developments to look forward to in the month ahead ...
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:04 am

Hi

Well On the last thread there was talks of EI moving from BFS to BHD. I personally don't think its a good idea because they are well established at BFS. But apparently its not confirmed and more airlines are expected to come in and fill WW departure.

http://www.u.tv/News/Aer-Lingus-swit...0cfd99-9ca2-4037-8f78-94f753935dc3

I hope it works out well from BHD and I hope that BFS doesn't close after this, because they are loosing traffic to BHD

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:06 am

http://galwayindependent.com/stories...forts-to-maintain-airport-continue

Galway airport is still open. Rumours are it will close imminently and be converted into a park n ride.
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:12 am

Getting back to the OFT EI/FR issue I wonder what will be the outcome and who will buy the stake if its forced to sell .

Ryanair hits out as it faces forced sell-down of Aer Lingus stake

Ryanair faces the prospect of being forced to sell down its 29.8pc stake in Aer Lingus after the Office of Fair Trading referred the six-year old holding to the Competition Commission.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...sell-down-of-Aer-Lingus-stake.html

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Reaction from BHD :

Belfast Airport will not close, says City chief

Controversial claims that Belfast should have just one airport have prompted an angry reaction.

Brian Ambrose, chief executive of George Best Belfast City Airport, has dismissed the remarks made by the British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA) at a Commons Select Committee hearing as laughable.

“How do you close Belfast City Airport?” he said.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...lose-says-city-chief-16172981.html
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:02 pm

E-mail received this afternoon of my BMI status match to Aer Lingus Gold!

Happy days  
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 4):
E-mail received this afternoon of my BMI status match to Aer Lingus Gold!

I received the email last Saturday and the card and luggage tags arrived today, didn't think it would only take a week.
 
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Galway airport is still open. Rumours are it will close imminently and be converted into a park n ride.

I'm amazed it has managed to struggle on this long. I love the way they mentioned it was used to accomodate a private charter for the CEO to announce new jobs in Galway as if GWY had something to do with winning those jobs for Galway.

Also, what kind of part and ride facility are they considering using it for? Bus services I would presume. Galway City Council have tried a similar scheme for a few weeks leading up to Christmas every year for as long as I can remember and it has been an utter failure each and every time with very low utilisation.
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:31 pm

I see Aer Lingus could be into industrail relations according to the journal! Is there a year without this in EI anymore? Seems like it has to happen once a year!

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Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:50 am

The latest risk of industrial action is down to the possible closure of the Shannon hanger, the Unite union has said that strike action will be likely over the summer if EI announce the closure of the hanger at the end of June. It will involve less than 10% of the workforce but will cause significant disruption according to the union.

I think the risk of industrial action from the pensions issue is a lot more serious, the future sale of the governments share and attracting a buyer is dependent of whether or not this is sorted so it's worrying to see very little progress after the talks broke down earlier.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:00 am

An interesting article in the Belfast Telegraph :

The Belfast Telegraph understands that Aer Lingus could be set to offer flights from George Best Airport to Heathrow, Gatwick, Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow airports — if it switches its operations from Belfast International Airport as widely expected.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...gus-plans-move-16173742.html?r=RSS

Lots of speculation about what routes and from where but this makes more sense than the rumour that EI were looking for more slots out of LHR to operate Domestic .
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:57 pm

Good 'ol Mick Wallace had his BMW towed away after parking it in the Aer Lingus staff car park. Speculation as to who gave him a swipe and pin number to gain access.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...way-from-its-car-park-3140786.html
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):

I hope EI know what they are doing, direct competition with BE and indirect with U2, they should be planning an EK style marketing campaign to ensure the routes work out.

My parents return from Kefalonia tomorrow transiting through Gatwick with U2. My mum is a big fan of Aer Lingus [she will miss their Canary routes if scrapped]. It will be interesting to observe if she would choose EI over U2.

One thing U2 offer that EI does not is flight forwarding. Last year with U2 they were able to catch an earlier flight from LGW to BFS free of charge. I tried the same for EI from MAN to DUB but they attempted to charge me £70. EI should improve to match U2 if they are to attract loyal U2 customers. From my point of view, U2 offer good enough service to be considered a flag carrier. If EI creep in with less flexibility trying to aim for business traffic they could fail miserably [except for LHR] Good luck EI.

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/new...tra-flights-on-belfast-routes.html

U2 expanding frequencies on existing routes from BFS. Is the alpha male showing everyone who is boss in Belfast?  

Off topic, has EI thought of installing green mood lighting on board new aircraft? For me it would be a visual comfort winner, as I find the cabin comfortable but bland and common. It partly kills the magic on arguably Europes greenest airlines.

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Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Lots of speculation about what routes and from where but this makes more sense than the rumour that EI were looking for more slots out of LHR to operate Domestic .

I'm wondering if EI do move to BHD, would BA allow EI sole access to the Belfast-Heathrow route? In that case EI would need more slots. Would BA have to give these to EI under the BD purchase agreement or would EI have to get them on their own?
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:21 pm

Quoting jambost (Reply 11):
One thing U2 offer that EI does not is flight forwarding.

Not entirely true; I arrived back into LHR from DEL back in February and a friend of mine was travelling onward to DUB with EI. We had arrived several hours earlier than planned and she simply asked to be put on the next flight to DUB and EI did so free of charge and with a smile, so I think it depends on who is on duty and their mood when you ask!
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:32 pm

EI have also done it for me before a few times - always LHR-DUB as it happens.

There is a logic to it on high frequency and business routes. The seat they're giving you hasn't been sold and won't be sold if you're asking shortly before the flight. But the seat you're vacating CAN be sold, for quite a bit of money, if someone turns up at the airport.

Thinking about it, it was an EI-uniformed staff member I asked in LHR - dunno if they are actually direct employees. Is it possible that EI staff have more leeway in this area than, say, the Menzies staff in MAN that jambost encountered would have?
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting Phen (Reply 13):

It certainly depends who you get at the Airport. If a check in agent wants to do it they will. Status with that Airline helps and even before with status I have been refused at check in only to ask again at the lounge and it being granted FOC.
 
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting Phen (Reply 13):
Not entirely true; I arrived back into LHR from DEL back in February and a friend of mine was travelling onward to DUB with EI. We had arrived several hours earlier than planned and she simply asked to be put on the next flight to DUB and EI did so free of charge and with a smile, so I think it depends on who is on duty and their mood when you ask!

Thanks for sharing,
I traveled with EK and EI on separate bookings, if I had booked the entire journey through emirates could EI be more flexible under those circumstances?
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:21 am

For anyone interested my Aer Lingus TR can be found here :



Free Elite Status Match-Aer Lingus+Queen's Jubilee
(by OA260 Jun 18 2012 in Trip Reports)

My first time for many years as GC Elite   I have to say I never thought I would be GC again after they ran the program down but this offer from EI was too good to miss and has had the desired effect as it will make me fly Aer Lingus more and I will aim to maintain it when it runs out next year.

It has certainly been a good PR move by Aer Lingus and will no doubt earn them some more loyalty and business. Here is hoping that the Gold Circle club goes from strength to strength and that we may see some more partners too . In fairness to EI they do have a decent list of lounges outside of Ireland .
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 12):
I'm wondering if EI do move to BHD, would BA allow EI sole access to the Belfast-Heathrow route? In that case EI would need more slots. Would BA have to give these to EI under the BD purchase agreement or would EI have to get them on their own?

I don't know why posters (not just on these forums, but elsewhere too) on BA cutting Belfast and Dublin. They have dropped the routes in the past, but things then and now are very different. Historically BA has had significant slot constraints, but with the acquisition of BD this will ease a bit. BA has dropped routes where partners can provide feed and keep the city on-line, one way or another, Ireland was left to EI, which made sense given the frequency advantage. BA have already announced a new domestic route to LBA, which seems to indicate that BHD and DUB will be hanging around for the foreseeable future. I don't see why BA and EI can't work together on DUB-LHR and Belfast-LHR.

As for the move, I'm trying to think of a scenario where it makes complete sense. The suggestion seems to be that EI would move to BHD to launch domestic UK routes, presumably at high frequency across the Irish sea. This is all mixed in with significant expansion out of LHR to UK domestic destinations too, possibly in co-operation or in competition with BA, it's not clear. Regional may, or may not, be involved. All of this would be in competition with the established BE network out of BHD and competing with a lot of U2 routes too. The move to BHD would likely mean canaries services could no longer be operated, or at least need to splash and dash in DUB/SNN/ORK. This seems like a recipe for total disaster and a fine way to loose a lot of money very quickly. Im not convinced.

Quoting jambost (Reply 11):
Off topic, has EI thought of installing green mood lighting on board new aircraft? For me it would be a visual comfort winner, as I find the cabin comfortable but bland and common. It partly kills the magic on arguably Europes greenest airlines.

I have been wondering this myself. I think it would be good to have a slightly more interesting cabin enviornment, green mood lighting could look OK, but I wonder if it might be a bit goolish and cold?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
It has certainly been a good PR move by Aer Lingus and will no doubt earn them some more loyalty and business. Here is hoping that the Gold Circle club goes from strength to strength and that we may see some more partners too . In fairness to EI they do have a decent list of lounges outside of Ireland .

They do need to sort out the partner earn/burn ratio, but hopefully this proactive matching is a sign of things to come.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:06 pm

Air Corps helicopter makes a precationary landing due to possible wire strike.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0619/air...ter-hard-landing-in-tipperary.html
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:38 pm

Ryanair just offered 1.30 per share bid for Aer Lingus - just announced via the Stock Exchange.

Off and running again.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 20):
Off and running again.

Yep indeed here we go again !

Ryanair makes €694m cash offer for Aer Lingus

Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Ryanair has made a bid for Aer Lingus, the third time it has tried to buy the airline in the past six years.

In a statement, the low fares carrier has outlined its intention to make an all cash offer of €1.30 per share, valuing Aer Lingus at €694m.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...h-offer-for-aer-lingus-555939.html
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
It has certainly been a good PR move by Aer Lingus and will no doubt earn them some more loyalty and business. Here is hoping that the Gold Circle club goes from strength to strength and that we may see some more partners too . In fairness to EI they do have a decent list of lounges outside of Ireland .

I agree with you there. They should do it anyway, they now have the lounges to back it up - anyone who hasn't been in an EI lounge in years would be very impressed with the new lounges. I am still wondering if BOS has been done up to the same style though!

Agreed on more partners - it would be nice. Also, it would be good for Aer Lingus to stick some kind of earning table up for partner flights. I am reluctant to credit any other travel (BA, QF, CX and UA) to Aer Lingus as I am afraid I am going to get screwed... so I keep crediting them to my QF programme. I find that useless as splitting things up doesn't do me any good.

One of the best, if not the best, partner lounge that EI have is the Number One lounge at London Gatwick. Free hot meals (small, but oh so good) to order - along with other bits and pieces - an exceptional lounge if you ever get the chance to use it. The Jack Lynch lounge in ORK is supposed to be good too. The SNN lounge is an old EI lounge and is bare bones.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 22):
Also, it would be good for Aer Lingus to stick some kind of earning table up for partner flights. I am reluctant to credit any other travel (BA, QF, CX and UA) to Aer Lingus as I am afraid I am going to get screwed... so I keep crediting them to my QF programme. I find that useless as splitting things up doesn't do me any good.

Indeed but an email to GC would let you know what you would earn so at least you can credit in confidence. A table would be much better of course.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 22):
One of the best, if not the best, partner lounge that EI have is the Number One lounge at London Gatwick. Free hot meals (small, but oh so good) to order -

Yes I used it a few times and the mini menu they have there is on par with some F Class lounges I have been in coupled by some nice views and free wifi its a lovely lounge.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 20):
Ryanair just offered 1.30 per share bid for Aer Lingus - just announced via the Stock Exchange.

Don't think MO'L is ever going to give this one up. Just won't take no for an answer.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 18):
I have been wondering this myself. I think it would be good to have a slightly more interesting cabin enviornment, green mood lighting could look OK, but I wonder if it might be a bit goolish and cold?

I can imagine it could seem a little tacky. If they struck a balance between green, gold, orange and maybe Celtic patterned bulkhead or head rest fabric? Designers could make it seem warm and soothing! I Hope they do something special when they will be introducing their A350 product.
This comes to mind after flying with Emirates, it leaves such a positive image especially for those using EI for the first time.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting jambost (Reply 25):

I miss the old A330 poetry fabric . Would be great to see that in Green/Yellow and Blue again .


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Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
I miss the old A330 poetry fabric . Would be great to see that in Green/Yellow and Blue again .

Those pictures bring back some memories! The "good" 'aul days before AVOD and consistent plain green seats  
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:28 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):

It would have been nice if they kept a little character in their new interiors. A head rest cover with their shamrock logo? For now EI are probably happy enough knowing the reputation of their crew plus load factors are in no worrying state.

My opinion is that bland white & leather interiors are for euro white airlines. A color balance for their A320's would be nice, plus a little more character for their long haul product, anything to distinguish themselves from other airlines in a positive manner!
What has EK done to me? I hope im not the only case of lets see EK-itis, to become very fussy for ambient cabin interiors!
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting jambost (Reply 28):
It would have been nice if they kept a little character in their new interiors. A head rest cover with their shamrock logo?

Yes there is a way to do it without being OTT . Maybe even headrest covers with the poetry on would be a easy thing to do and not expensive. Images of Ireland like BA do on their bulkheads would be nice too .

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Director of Cork Airport Pat Keohane is to step down when his seven-year contract expires in October and he will be replaced by Niall MacCarthy from the Dublin Airport Authority, The Irish Times has learned.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0620/1224318257508.html

New blood at ORK . Wonder what it will mean if anything .

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Storms ahead for Cityjet staff I fear :

AIR France-KLM is thought to be considering a sale of its Dublin-based Cityjet airline as part of a wider restructuring of the heavily-indebted group. The move would affect up to 1,000 staff.

Although Swords-based Cityjet is loss-making, Air France-KLM is believed to be considering its disposal to streamline its own group operations rather than eliminating the unit from the group solely for financial reasons.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...t-in-bid-to-cut-costs-3144763.html

It seems their idea to offer lower fares to LCY and attract mor passengers failed . I have been looking at their fares every time I go to London and their fares are way too much . The CDG route will probably be AF regional E Jets in time which may not be a bad thing or even as we have seen A319s .

[Edited 2012-06-20 02:50:15]
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
AIR France-KLM is thought to be considering a sale of its Dublin-based Cityjet airline as part of a wider restructuring of the heavily-indebted group. The move would affect up to 1,000 staff.

Its a shame, I dont think EI would be interested due to the fleet type or would they consider adapting WX to their regional franchise? Personally I can not see it happen although my fingers are crossed that a deal can be made to secure the airlines future.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:53 pm

If EI blow their cash pile on WX, they a: won't have the cash pile that FR is clearly after and b: probably be too big for FR to buy for cash.

Might be a good idea then!
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:22 pm

Strange about WX; only recently, they were talking about merger Transavia France, Regional and BritAir under the Cityjet umbrella. Can't see there being many takers for WX.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
I miss the old A330 poetry fabric . Would be great to see that in Green/Yellow and Blue again .

I liked that as well; it was quite classy.

Just a passing thought: EI usually changes its livery once every twenty years, give or take; it introduced the current scheme in 1995/6 and the previous scheme in 1974; I wonder if they are looking to upgrade their image and with the A350s coming in 2015, I wonder if that might be a possible opportunity for them to do this.
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 32):
Just a passing thought: EI usually changes its livery once every twenty years, give or take; it introduced the current scheme in 1995/6 and the previous scheme in 1974; I wonder if they are looking to upgrade their image and with the A350s coming in 2015, I wonder if that might be a possible opportunity for them to do this.

Interesting. I think it would be really hard to beat their current scheme. It hasn't aged a day and is instantly recognisable at foreign airports, like the KLM blue.

Has the Ryanair Winter Schedule been fully released yet? Some year-round routes (like Dublin-Rome) are not bookable into November.
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 33):
Interesting. I think it would be really hard to beat their current scheme. It hasn't aged a day and is instantly recognisable at foreign airports, like the KLM blue.

I'm in this boat......hasn't aged yet, perfectly suited to their business model, no need to change the livery.
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:58 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 33):
It hasn't aged a day and is instantly recognisable at foreign airports, like the KLM blue.

Would love to see what new livery they would come up with if they were to change it. That said I do love the current livery.

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Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 35):
What happened to Aeroflots DUB-DME service that was supposed to be announced. Going by the rumors on here about 6 months ago, it was as though the announcement was imminent?

Dont you mean DUB-SVO....Didnt think Aeroflot used Domodedevo?
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:53 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 35):
What happened to Aeroflots DUB-DME service that was supposed to be announced. Going by the rumors on here about 6 months ago, it was as though the announcement was imminent?

It was DUB-SVO that was mentioned but nothing since.

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Dont know how legal this would be and if the EU would allow it , I can see the arguments though for it . I'm sure the British government could argue that it was a off shore territory of the United Kingdom so needs special protection of air links to the capital.

Heathrow link 'could be ringfenced'

Air routes from Belfast to London Heathrow could be ringfenced to protect regional services, the UK Transport Minister has said.

This would require European agreement and a significant change in EU law, Theresa Villiers added. She said the coalition's options for intervening were limited.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...k-could-be-ringfenced-3145427.html

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Government will resist 'fire sale' of 25% in Aer Lingus

AER Lingus said yesterday that shareholders should reject the surprise €694m bid from Ryanair as analysts and investors questioned whether Michael O'Leary's third bid would ever be allowed.

In the first volley from Aer Lingus in the takeover battle launched by Ryanair on Tuesday evening, the former state-owned airline said the hostile bid "undervalues" the airline.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...hting-to-stop-ryanair-3145623.html
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 36):
Dont you mean DUB-SVO....Didnt think Aeroflot used Domodedevo?

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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
Air routes from Belfast to London Heathrow could be ringfenced to protect regional services, the UK Transport Minister has said.

This would require European agreement and a significant change in EU law, Theresa Villiers added. She said the coalition's options for intervening were limited.

We had a similar issue in relating to Jersey and HMG did not intervene; I think the main issue is that EU law can protect - to some extent - access to a particular city, but not to a specific airport. So, EU law could protect services to London, but not specifically Heathrow.

In any case, they'd have Aer Lingus; sure, who's want anything else?  
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:36 pm

Interesting article in this mornings Irish Times on the EI/FR deal, one look at the graphic shows why this deal will never be approved. The facts (from Anna.Aero) make it even clearer.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104955094111864174987/Shared#5756490193745263234

FR and EI compete on 36 routes, the routes where they do not compete account for 27% - just over a quarter of EIs weekly seats.
Between them EI and FR account for 80% of traffic at DUB, 73% at ORK, 64% at SNN, 100% at KIR and CFN. I don't have a percentage for NOC but other than the seasonal LH route, I don't think there is another scheduled operator? If we were to exclude transatlantic operations the figures would look even worse.
North of the border, Derry only seems to be served by FR, and BFS is served by EI, so while easy jet, flyBe and jet2 offer competition there is still a considerable presence in the market there.
The commission has only once reversed a decision such as this. In the interm the market share of FR and EI has increased from a combined 71% to 80%.
Bidders for the ex BD slots at LHR have hardly been ten a penny. Why would a similar offer of route divestment at DUB/ORK/SNN/NOC/KIR be any more appealing?
The motives for this bid are clear -
1) FR wants out of EI. bye making a last ditch offer they have placed a floor on the EI share price.
2) EI and EI Regional are causing FR problems and are gaining strength, becoming increasingly profitable. EIs fortunes have improved since the EU banned the FR takover. This is clearly a diversion and distraction to EI management, rendering the airline rudderless. Yesterday management cancelled a meeting with unions to deal with the FR bid, for example.
3) FR probably need an accounting profit from somewhere. The current value of their EI stake is 0. Any sale of the EI stake is going to give annual numbers a huge boost - one time of course but headlines ignore that.

In summary this deal is dead in the water. I don't believe anyone at FR truly believes it could happen, the lack of rhetoric, spin and general bluster from FR only adds to that impression.
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
EIs fortunes have improved since the EU banned the FR takover. This is clearly a diversion and distraction to EI management, rendering the airline rudderless

Sorry, I don't understand this; why should EI be rudderless? I get that EI - and in particular, EI Regional - is giving FR a headache, but surely this just means that EI is aiming to more of the same? We know EIR is looking at a new order for ATRs (or Dash 8s) in the near future.

I agree this bid is dead in the water!
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
1) FR wants out of EI. bye making a last ditch offer they have placed a floor on the EI share price. 2) EI and EI Regional are causing FR problems and are gaining strength, becoming increasingly profitable. EIs fortunes have improved since the EU banned the FR takover. This is clearly a diversion and distraction to EI management, rendering the airline rudderless. Yesterday management cancelled a meeting with unions to deal with the FR bid, for example. 3) FR probably need an accounting profit from somewhere. The current value of their EI stake is 0. Any sale of the EI stake is going to give annual numbers a huge boost - one time of course but headlines ignore that.

On top of all of that, its yet more free publicity for FR! Im sure his the bid is also aimed at pushing some sort of movement from EY.

With the sale of Cityjet likely, what will happen to their current network? Ex DUB, the CDG route would be more than likely taken over by mainline AF aircraft. But would the new owner continue to operate as an AF franchisee? I think BE would be the most likely buyer, given there recent interest in diversifying their business, by operating for SN and working with AY
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting ein105 (Reply 42):
With the sale of Cityjet likely, what will happen to their current network? Ex DUB, the CDG route would be more than likely taken over by mainline AF aircraft.

Likely to agree with you regarding AF mainline coming back into Dublin in a more fuller capacity. I also can see BA Citiflyer jumping on the DUB-LCY route again, I doubt we would see EI Regional do the route however!
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:20 pm

Aer lingus confirms in talks with BHD :


Aer Lingus has confirmed that it is in talks with George Best Belfast City Airport.

The airline is believed to be planning to switch its operations from Belfast International Airport to Belfast City.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...-belfast-airport-talks-556234.html
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
Between them EI and FR account for 80% of traffic at DUB, 73% at ORK, 64% at SNN, 100% at KIR and CFN.

100% of CFN is BE (operated by LC), not FR/EI

[Edited 2012-06-21 12:40:15]
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
I don't have a percentage for NOC but other than the seasonal LH route, I don't think there is another scheduled operator?

Flybe also have a few UK routes out of Knock I believe.

Anyone else seeing UA/SNN ads promoting NYC and San Francisco when they come on here? Fairly catchy! KLM and Air France ads are also propping up.

On a (semi) related note, I see Aer Lingus are copying United with their new "Pricelock" option: http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/planandbook/pricelock/. It's a good idea I think.

[Edited 2012-06-21 17:08:44]
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 44):


A thought occurs, could EI be moving and expanding their UK ops to BHD and keep current sun routes at BFS? I can not imagine them ditching successful routes to start UK regional ops. Would EI have the aircraft available [guessing 12 months time] to operate from both belfast airports?

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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 46):
On a (semi) related note, I see Aer Lingus are copying United with their new "Pricelock" option: http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/planandbook/pricelock/. It's a good idea I think.

Air France and Lufthansa have been offering this option now also for quite some time, but allow a 48 or 72 hour period to complete the booking, which is considerably more attractive. All the same, it's a nice enhancement.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 46):
Flybe also have a few UK routes out of Knock I believe.

Yes, they do. MAN and EDI.

Quoting jambost (Reply 47):
could EI be moving and expanding their UK ops to BHD and keep current sun routes at BFS?

Could be, but it would leave BFS as a one aircraft base. Hardly seems worth the trouble. AGP, FAO etc coudl certainly be operated with the A319 from BHD however, Canaries routes might be pushing it, but presumably a yield premium would be achievable flying out of the city rather than aldergrove which might negate any payload penalties.

Quoting ein105 (Reply 42):
With the sale of Cityjet likely, what will happen to their current network?

The Irish Times, which was the only paper to actually speak with the Cityjet CEO, said that there was "no doubt" that AF is commited to Cityjet and that they were only going so far as looking for an "investment partner" - so not an outright sale, but merely sale of a stake in the business.
 
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RE: Irish 9/12:The Joy Of Flying

Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 40):
3) FR probably need an accounting profit from somewhere. The current value of their EI stake is 0. Any sale of the EI stake is going to give annual numbers a huge boost - one time of course but headlines ignore that

Indeed, I agree with you here. Many companies, including Aer Lingus, seem to regularly have 'non-recurring' or once-off charges appear on their financial statements that allow them to manipulate or massage their reported financial accounting data to obfuscate and/or confuse the public. And, since probably a minimum of 95% of the public can't read a balance sheet, income statement or statement of cash flows, it usually works. Beyond that, there is all the pertinent data buried in footnotes that are read by less than half of the 5% who can actually understand a 10Q or 10K.

On a broader note, I also agree FR wants out of their stake in EI as they likely realize it is a lost cause. EI is a peripheral player in a small market and probably doesn't warrant anymore of FR's management attention as there are bigger issues to face coming up now, such as the eventual collapse of the Euro monetary union, recession in several of it major markets that could fall into depression and a general malaise in Europe as the continent undergoes tremendous demographic and economic changes that will impact the aviation industry.

I think EI is a fine niche player in north-western Europe and will do quite well on its own as long it focuses on its core routes of feeding larger airlines at hubs, such as LHR and AMS (treading carefully not to step on any of the big boys' toes like they did with the LGW fiasco) while also providing regular service to the BOS/NYC/CHI trunk for the Irish originating market. I also think EI will continue to gain market share in Ireland at FR's expense as they seem to have found a good balance between cost & service, focusing on a mid-market that offers a bit of both without the extremes.
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