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Future Of IAH For UA

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:33 pm

DO NOT WORRY THIS IS NOT A THREAD OF THE HYPOTHETICAL DRAW BACK ON BEHALF OF UNITED.


So I looked at the number of flights AA has at DFW and how its schedule flexibility is superior to UA's at IAH. So I was wondering. Where could UA expand to from IAH? Is there enough local demand to increase frequencies on certain routes to reduce connection times? (I've had a 5-hour layover several times). I personally love connecting at IAH, but the layovers are ridicolous sometimes.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:47 pm

United is not going any where, they "cancelled" the never launched 787 flight to New Zealand because in reponse to the Houston City Council agreeing to build an International terminal at Hobby Airport for Southwest. IF UA "kills" Houston then 50% of the reason for the Continental merger is gone. Newark is important to United too, IAH gives them a presence in the south where UA has tarditionaly been weak.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:28 pm

IAH isn't going anywhere. They are opening a sUA 320 base there very soon.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 2):
IAH isn't going anywhere. They are opening a sUA 320 base there very soon.

And sUA 756 (757/767) base too...
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:49 pm

I agree with what's been sort of a consensus here..... IAH isn't going anywhere with UA..... and I doubt that it will even be downsizing by UA at IAH to any meaningful extent.

But just dreaming here...... maybe I would love it if IAH and UA got so pi**ed-off at each other that they call it quits..... and then probably DEN would pick-up a lot of the IAH activity....... but...... just really dreaming eh?

I think that UA-IAH just hit a bit of a rocky patch just now in what is going to be a long and prosperous relationship for both. And we know it happens to the best of us, so......

 
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:21 am

All the activity going on recently in my hometown is just empty threats and smoke blowing. I'm not a Smisek fan but I'm sure he will get his act together and even grow IAH. A little draw-back is really expected as the merger sorts itself out and the airline tries to make itself profitable and powerful, then they will figure out where, when, and how much to grow. These times may seem grim, but I feel something very exciting concerning my home airport his around the corner.  
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:28 am

Posters of replies1-5, you have written about a completely different subject than the OP was asking about!! He is asking how UA could improve the IAH hub to serve more routes & frequencies and reduce connection times. None of you have written ANYTHING about that.
To OP, I afraid I can't help you I wouldn't know IAH & UA under any circumstances.

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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
(I've had a 5-hour layover several times)

Are you talking about international layovers or domestic?

Well I may not be able to tell you what UA can do, but I'll tell you what they SHOULD do.

1. Stop throwing a hissy fit, it's gotten old.
2. Start beefing up service to Mexico, Central America, and 737 service to South America. I.E. lowering preices to start getting more people geared to UA and then increase frequencies, or upgauge aircraft. (I never understood why CO didn't utilize the 757 to from IAH like AA did from MIA). All this would be to combat WN at HOU. They have plenty of time to explore options and solutions.
3. More flights/frequencies to Star Alliance hubs. I.E. PEK, ICN, JHB, among others.
4. Speed up Terminal B renovations. I know they are moving pretty fast on it, but it's better to be faster than slower.
5. This maybe the biggest one. MORE STAR ALLIANCE CONNECTIONS!!!! I walk around the IAB at IAH all the time and can't tell you how many flights DON"T have a codeshare partner, not even Copa! This will be very important to growth.
6. This one is a huge MAYBE for the FUTURE. Add on/expand Terminal D as much as possible. IAH is a growing airport and with LH about to start A380 service and EK wanting to start A380 service, the terminal just maybe to small to handle all the intl. ops at peak times. Adding on to D12 for the A380 is a good start, but TK will start next year, and the more airlines that use the terminal, the less real estate there is for other airlines.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 2):
IAH isn't going anywhere. They are opening a sUA 320 base there very soon.



Great news for who? The only reason the bus comes to IAH is cargo to the Latin America locations.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
I'm not a Smisek fan but I'm sure he will get his act together and even grow IAH



His act is being a complete and utter butthole.......nothing more. Oh I'm cutting IAH by 10% in September..........really!! Every year the after Labor Day cuts happen and it's about 10%. Slimezk, an arrogant pompous turd!

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
. Stop throwing a hissy fit, it's gotten old



  

And hit the Caribbean hard and often. SJU is at best a place to expand as well as direct flights to a few other destinations in the region.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:32 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
(I never understood why CO didn't utilize the 757 to from IAH like AA did from MIA)

Not enough birds to go around...they made/make more money transatlantic.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:20 am

While United has said that IAH will be the most important hub, the reality is, IAH isn't what some on here think it is. Houston has huge population with a strong economy and wonderful corporate base that will do a good job sustaining O&D. But even Continental admitted many times that IAH wasn't competitive in terms of being a connecting hub in terms of domestic traffic going east/west and vice versa. At that time IAH was all CO had, but seeing the new combined carrier has DEN, ORD and somewhat CLE forwatever it is as well as solid presence at LAX and SFO to better accommodate the east/west flow, I too have wondered how IAH will stack up in the long term. It will always have a substantial place at UA and would never be downsized much smaller than what it is now, but, I do suspect that if ORD ever gets around to adding 2 more runways and UA gets more gates, it will be ORD and DEN that will be the prominent connecting cities in the system much like DFW is to AA and ATL is to DL and IAH will be more geared O&D and connecting to Central and South America.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:31 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Stop throwing a hissy fit, it's gotten old.

  

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Start beefing up service to Mexico

How many destinations do you think they need? I don't remember the exact count, but I do know they serve around 30 cities from IAH. AA doesn't do half that number from DFW.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Central America, and 737 service to South America.

I think they do alright in Central America too. No contest on South America, however.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
More flights/frequencies to Star Alliance hubs. I.E. PEK, ICN, JHB, among others.

UA doesn't have the aircraft to do JNB non-stop year-round in both directions until the 787 enters the fleet. Besides, I don't know that there is that much demand for South Africa anyway and JNB isn't an ideal connection point for anything beyond its immediate borders. Might as well go through LOS, BRU or FRA.
As for ICN or PEK, how many people want to fly there from BTR or SHV and the likes? I think UA is better off opening new destinations out of LAX and/or SFO than offer yet more flights on existing destinations.

I think IAH needs to be two things for UA:
-A transcontinental hub much like DEN and ORD so it has three options to cover traffic from both coasts in all seasons/weathers;
-UA's answer to AA's MIA.
Throw in non-stop flights to a major partner hub in Asia (NRT) and Europe (FRA) to service smaller Southern destinations, and I think that about covers it.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:37 am

Sure, IAH might not be the best place for folks to connect on a flight from Boston to Seattle or Baltimore to Vancouver, but it offers great connection opportunities for points in the Southern part of the nation (and not just the South) as well as the obvious connection opportunities to Mexico, Central America, and Northern South America.

I hear all the time about IAH's bad location but it isn't bad for folks flying from Ft. Myers to Portland, Miami to Seattle, Baton Rouge to Los Angeles, Mobile to Salt Lake, Savannah to Vancouver, or Jackson to Las Vegas. And, last time I checked, it was the Sunbelt that's been exploding with growth. Not all East-West connections involve the Northeast. And there isn't a single city I listed above that would have "better" connections at ORD, CLE, or DEN than at IAH.

This is where I think UA has an opportunity for growth. It was hard for CO to compete against DL's giant Atlanta hub because there was no aircraft between an all-economy class ERJ and a 735. Now, I think UA should bring in the E-jets to Southeastern markets that currently only see the 50 seaters. Baton Rouge, Mobile, Pensacola, Jacksonville, Fort Myers, Memphis, Little Rock, Birmingham, Charleston, etc... should be upgraded. Then, stick the ERJs back in markets formerly served or totally new markets like Montgomery, Chattanooga, Sarasota, Gainesville, Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, etc...

I'd also like to see UA expand more in Mexico and Central/South America. I'd especially like to see the E-jets to the Mexican business markets that should have a first class section considering the astronomical fares they charge to place like Torreon, Puebla, Toluca, Guadalajara, Merida, Queretaro, etc...
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:10 am

As has been previously mentioned, post-merger UA has a lot more options for connecting transcontinental traffic. Some of the connections that CO did through IAH can be better served through ORD or DEN. It seems like IAH still works for "diagonal" traffic (northeast to southwest, northwest to southeast, and vice-versa) and is a great gateway to Central and South America. More Star Alliance hub connections makes sense, too, especially if they can tie into North Asia-South America routings effectively as IAH is right smack on the great circle.

I would imagine that UA will continue to tweak their operations, moving flights and equipment to the routes and hubs where they can be most productive.

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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
United is not going any where, they "cancelled" the never launched 787 flight to New Zealand because in reponse to the Houston City Council agreeing to build an International terminal at Hobby Airport for Southwest

If you actually believe the above statement you are in complete denial. UA has this planned all along. It is over 3 years before SWA will ever start service. In 3 years alot can change and will change with the airline iindustry. I remember going home one night in STL , Ozark was on one side of the terminal and TWA the other. At the morning briefing we were told that TWA bought Ozark last night. Who would have thought that SWA would purchase FL for 1.4 billion cash. This is the only out right purchase. All the others were mergers, DL/NW and UA/CO one of the pair was failing and they needed to be bailed out. Over the years we have lost the Braaniff, first Frontier, TWA, Pam AM, National Airlines, PSA so many there were good airlines just mismanaged. But again if you think UA did that announcement due to the SWA buildup at HOU, flying some 737 to Mexican and Central America and northern South America was not the reason UA make that huge announcement at IAH. It was planned all along.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
(I've had a 5-hour layover several times).

Hardly every day occurrences, yes?

I've only had such things happen twice in my entire life -- once weather related and once mechanical-related -- and both involving the last flight of the day.

In one case I was given a certificate for a free night at an airport hotel, but I elected to stay at the Terminal B Marriott at my own expense. In the other case, I had a good meal at Pappadeaux, did some work on my laptop, and nodded off in a chair with my rollerbag at my feet; had a hearty, hot breakfast -- then caught my flight.

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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):Start beefing up service to Mexico

How many destinations do you think they need? I don't remember the exact count, but I do know they serve around 30 cities from IAH.

To be more specific, 27 destinations on Expressjet and 12 destinations on mainline
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):


Great news for who? The only reason the bus comes to IAH is cargo to the Latin America locations.

Not quite...The bus does not fly to Mexico (yet).

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
His act is being a complete and utter butthole.......nothing more. Oh I'm cutting IAH by 10% in September..........really!! Every year the after Labor Day cuts happen and it's about 10%. Slimezk, an arrogant pompous turd!

I want to run United!   (well I am only a teen so I have a lot of time! haha)

Well of course that the flight schedule will be cut down in September because there is less demand than in June, July and August. I am not saying they are going to cut 10% of the schedule though.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 10):
I too have wondered how IAH will stack up in the long term

It will be the main hub for United that has the most destinations to Latin America. It is a good connecting point if you are flying from the west to a gulf coast city (if there is no direct service) or even to mexico. Think of EWR and IAD as the main Europe destinations, DEN as the gateway to the west and SFO for Asia traffic. ORD and CLE reinforce the west, but ORD is a major city.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 3):
And sUA 756 (757/767) base too...

Yes... I have heard that UA will send the 3 class 777s on the LHR Route from IAH. I think we will see a lot of 767-300s flying out of IAH both domestically to EWR or on hub-hub and maybe even the South American Cities of GRU (especially when the 762 is gone), EZE and GIG as UA could redeploy the 764s elsewhere

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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting ua767400 (Reply 17):
Not quite...The bus does not fly to Mexico (yet).

From DEN, IAD, ORD, LAX, and SFO -- but not IAH
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):

That's true, but I thought he was referring tothe airbuses out of IAH.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 11):
Besides, I don't know that there is that much demand for South Africa anyway

Well, FWIW - SAA use to fly to IAH with the 74L, the unfortunate politics of the time ended the flight.

The draw down of the 762s is evidenced in the proposed 2013 Spring schedule at IAH.
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:19 pm

I fly several times a year from the USA to LATIN AMERICA. I always have to make atleast a 3-4 hour connection as the flights arrive in between 2 major departure banks. The only exception would be the 6:00pm wave of arrivals from Mexico and Central America, in which one has exactly 1:15 minutes to connect to the 7:15 pm to 7:30 pm departure bank. The issue here is that the customs line is ridicolous. And one runs the risk of losing the flight since many European flights arrive at that time aswell as the flight from DOH, although I'm not sure about DXB. So maybe enhancing the schedules from CA and Mexico without increasing frequencies might help? I understand that more schedule changes would have to follow as the aircraft coming from those destinations are bound for other places.

Just my two cents,


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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:07 pm

Who is taking the exCO 762s?
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 22):
Who is taking the exCO 762s?

Most seem to have been sold to UTAir in Russia. Omni Air International has at least one.
 
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RE: Future Of IAH For UA

Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
6. This one is a huge MAYBE for the FUTURE. Add on/expand Terminal D as much as possible. IAH is a growing airport and with LH about to start A380 service and EK wanting to start A380 service, the terminal just maybe to small to handle all the intl. ops at peak times. Adding on to D12 for the A380 is a good start, but TK will start next year, and the more airlines that use the terminal, the less real estate there is for other airlines.

I believe D is owned and operated by HAS than any predominant airline, including UA, especially after E opened. Thus, it would be HAS that would need to fund any expansions of D that would mimic its master plan. Since UA is predominant carrier at B, they would foot the bill for now phase 1 of construction. As for TK, it arrives at a quiet time when the last BA flight leaves and all other Europeans and Middle Eastern carriers have departed for the day.
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