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What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:04 am

Just doing a little reminiscing about my all-time favorite airline Northwest and was thinking about the direction their fleet would be going in in 2012. They probably would be taking delivery of the 787s very soon, which would open up huge new route possibilities. And I think NW would have made the same deal Delta did to take the Southwest 717 fleet (there was speculation on here for years that NW would order the type when it was still in production). That is, if they didn't order the C-series. NW did seem to have an affection for Bombardier aircraft.

What about the early-build A320s and 757s? I could see an A320/A321NEO order, or even the 737-9MAX, if Boeing gave them a great deal. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And what about additional 70+ seat RJs? Would XJ, 9E, and CP still be the only Airlink carriers, or would we see new players brought in like OO (who don't they fly for these days???) and RP?

And finally the 747s -- could we see the 747-8i or even the A380 at NWA?

Let the speculation begin!
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:09 am

Well seeing how long the DC-9s stayed, and, that the merger was only 5 years ago and there were no other plans for new a/c other than as you mentioned the 787 I don't think things would be much different today. Maybe there would be a E190 order or CRJ-900 order, perhaps more A330s ordered, but that would be about it. I doubt they'd do 717 deal, I could still see DL doing that despite not merging w/ NW.
 
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:12 am

Northwest was a great airline, They are missed from our skies that's for sure.

The 787 would have become the airline's flagship, and would have been great to see in Northwest colors.

I don't think they would have gone for the 717, due to as you said, "Affection" for bombardier aircraft and if NW did drop some money on the 717 it would be to replace their DC-9's and not start a whole new fleet category.

I'm sure the early build A320's and 757's would still have tons of life left in them at NW, I mean look at the DC-9's that have hung around so long.

Of course the 747-8i would have become a great addition to the fleet.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:27 am

I recall seeing a PowerPoint put out by NW back in '06 or so where they went over their future fleet plan. They indicated that the 787 would be a 744 replacement, which I found puzzling. While the 787 offers lower operational costs and similar range performance, it's certainly not a valid successor to the 744. The 744 is good on high-density, long-haul routes where multiple frequencies are either not important or not available (slot-restricted markets).

NW's model tended to keep frames around for a long time. They never did retire the DC-9 and they were among the last to retire the DC-10 and 742. Thus, it stands to reason that they would have kept their 744's around for some time and probably replaced them with 777X or A350's.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting NC1844v (Reply 2):
Northwest was a great airline, They are missed from our skies that's for sure.

I grew up in Detroit and learned to hate them. The trouble was that they were the only nonstop service available between DTW and a lot of destinations.

Quoting NC1844v (Reply 2):
Of course the 747-8i would have become a great addition to the fleet.

I doubt it. If UA can't use it and DL can't use it, NW wouldn't have used it.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:30 am

Longhaul fleet: A330s and 787 maybe A350s as a larger aircraft above the 787

757s would have been the new "Dc 9" in NWs fleet and would have stayed for a looooong time  

Shorthaul fleet A32x and Embraers, CRJs (NW would have been a potential CSeries customer in my opinion)
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
I recall seeing a PowerPoint put out by NW back in '06 or so where they went over their future fleet plan. They indicated that the 787 would be a 744 replacement, which I found puzzling. While the 787 offers lower operational costs and similar range performance, it's certainly not a valid successor to the 744. The 744 is good on high-density, long-haul routes where multiple frequencies are either not important or not available (slot-restricted markets).

Would suggest that NW, if it had not merged with DL, was looking at more point-to-point flying to overfly NRT? I think if they'd taken their A340-300s in the 1990s there might have been a little bit more of that.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:47 am

Quoting NC1844v (Reply 2):
Of course the 747-8i would have become a great addition to the fleet.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I doubt it. If UA can't use it and DL can't use it, NW wouldn't have used it.

Exactly; if NW could use the 748, why couldn't the current DL?

Also: do you think if the A340 line didn't shut down, they'd have taken some of their previously cancelled orders?
That's one thing I wish to see- a NW 340 or a DL 340
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Also: do you think if the A340 line didn't shut down, they'd have taken some of their previously cancelled orders?
That's one thing I wish to see- a NW 340 or a DL 340

No, absolutely not. Maybe some 2nd hand A340s if they would have come to the conclusion that they would need more range than a A330 had offered them.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:57 am

Quoting columba (Reply 8):
No, absolutely not. Maybe some 2nd hand A340s if they would have come to the conclusion that they would need more range than a A330 had offered them.

I've always wondered but never got along to check, but what's the seating differences between the two?
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:18 am

A330-300s and A340-300s are seatwise basically the same, as they share the same fuselage. Maybe NW would have been interested in the -600s series but I also doubt that they would have taken new build aircraft.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Also: do you think if the A340 line didn't shut down, they'd have taken some of their previously cancelled orders?

The current A330 is almost as capable as the A340. The 787 is more capable. I doubt they would have taken any A340s.
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RE: What If? Northwest Fleet Today

Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Also: do you think if the A340 line didn't shut down, they'd have taken some of their previously cancelled orders?

Not a chance. The A340 would have been exactly redundant with the 787.

Now secondhand A330s, on the other hand, would have been perfectly in keeping with NW's historical way of doing things. I think it's quite likely that they would have picked up a few early-2000s vintage A330-323X frames in the late 2010s as 787s were replacing them for other operators.

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