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BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:14 pm

There is a BA 767 parked at the BA hangar at LGW.

It has been there for a couple of weeks and I think it's G-BNWI although I can't be too sure.

Anybody know what it's doing there?

Normally we see them there when they are going out of service.
 
skipness1E
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:25 pm

I believe they are doing cabin mods at Gatwick.
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting BALandorLivery (Thread starter):
It has been there for a couple of weeks and I think it's G-BNWI although I can't be too sure.

BNWI appears still to be flying according to thebasource.com. BNWD, on the other hand, does not appear to have flown since the 2nd/3rd June, so probably more likely candidate.

This raises a somewhat interesting in question in that BNWD is over 22 years old and is the second oldest long haul B767 (by one day from BNWC) - which aircraft are being updated? I guess pretty much all of the long haul birds date from 1990-94, so doesn't make too much difference, but why not keep the more modern ones and ditch the early ones? (No idea on hours/cycles, so this may change things.....)
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:07 pm

It was probaby G-BNWX you saw, it has been at LGW since May 6.

It left around lunchtime today for an airtest and returned to LHR.

G-BNWX is the first BA 767 to have a full internal shorthaul config refit. (Bins, Sidewals, Seats, Overhead screens etc)

All the shorthaul refits are being done at LGW.


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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting BAW217 (Reply 3):
G-BNWX is the first BA 767 to have a full internal shorthaul config refit. (Bins, Sidewals, Seats, Overhead screens etc)

Has the configuration changed at all, or just a refresh?
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:30 pm

no config change, just refurb
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:35 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
no config change, just refurb

Well yes actually. There is an extra row of economy seats to make 259 total.
The max club load is now 68. All the converter seats from the middle of the centre cabin backwards have been removed, and all the economy seats are new, like the latest on the new A320s..

First service is the 676 to IST Tuesday.
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 2):
This raises a somewhat interesting in question in that BNWD is over 22 years old and is the second oldest long haul B767 (by one day from BNWC)

The ages of BA's 763s do not correlate as one might expect with the important factors, hours flown and rotations completed. For example in the current cabin refurbishment programme only seven of the long haul aircraft will be upgraded. They include two aircraft, G-BNWC and 'WD, both of which first flew in January 1990. Another aircraft to be refurbished will be 'WV that first flew more than three years later in April 1993. But 'WU that first flew in March 1993 will not be refurbished.

According to the CAA "G-INFO" web site, 'WV had accumulated 57,600 flying hours as at 31 December 2010 and 'WU had accumulated 74,076 hours at the same date. However 'WC and 'WD had accumulated only 49,682 hours and 51,509 hours respectively at the end of 2010.

There seem to be two possible reasons for this apparent anomaly of age versus accumulated flying hours. The first is that 'WC and 'WD spent 29 and 24 months respectively parked up (mainly in the desert) following the 9/11 atrocity in 2001. However 'WV and 'WU and those other long haul 763s that will not be refurbished were not parked up.

The second possible reason is that all the current BA long haul configured 763s have spent some time in their operational life configured for short haul operations. Indeed I believe that for a short period in the mid 1990s all of BA's 763 fleet were dedicated to short haul operations. This contrasts with the current situation where seven are in short haul and fourteen in long haul configuration. When operating short haul flights each aircraft completes more rotations than when operating long haul but spends less time in the air. So the completed rotations and the accumulated flying time will vary somewhat in proportion with length of time spent operating short haul flights as well as the age of the aircraft.
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
The ages of BA's 763s do not correlate as one might expect with the important factors, hours flown and rotations completed. For example in the current cabin refurbishment programme only seven of the long haul aircraft will be upgraded. They include two aircraft, G-BNWC and 'WD, both of which first flew in January 1990. Another aircraft to be refurbished will be 'WV that first flew more than three years later in April 1993. But 'WU that first flew in March 1993 will not be refurbished.

Thanks, that it is interesting. I guess 3/4 years difference in age does not make a huge difference anyway. And from what I remember BZHA-C are just as knackered internally as BNWA...

Where has BNWD been if BNWX is the one being refurbed at LGW?
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 8):
Where has BNWD been if BNWX is the one being refurbed at LGW?

I do not know. But 'WD is a long haul configured aircraft and the long haul refurbishments are being made at CWL. Only short haul 763s are beiing refurbished at LGW.

All the indications suggest that 'WD is at BA Maintenance Heathrow. But who knows?

There is no indication that it has left Heathrow since "The BA Source", "Flight 24" and "lhr/lgw" all reported it arriving from LUN on 2 June. Neither has it been reported to have visited CWL (where all major BA 763 maintenance is now carried out) by the South Wales Aviation Group .

All BA aircraft are painted at LHR but a 763 should not take longer than around seven days. However I suppose it is just possible that it could be undergoing routine maintenance as well as painting. But that is a pure guess.
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Neither has it been reported to have visited CWL (where all major BA 763 maintenance is now carried out) by the South Wales Aviation Group .

Although most heavy B767 maint is done at CWL, there is still work being done at LHR.
NWD is in the hangars, and so is NWH. There have been two B767 at LHR maint for a lot of time this year. Work carried out at LHR is usually jobs that take a while, but only on one part of the aircraft. If 10 engineers are going to work on a flap track for two weeks, it is better to do it in TBA where there is space, than take up a major maint bay in CWL where the other 150 engineers will have no work to do.
 
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RE: BA 767 @ LGW

Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 10):
There have been two B767 at LHR maint for a lot of time this year.

Thanks for the clarification and the comments re maintenance at LHR and CWL.

i recall some time ago you commented on the work being carried out on the BA Airbus fleet in the leased facility at PIK. Since the work started at the end of last August I believe that 11 319s, 11 320s and 8 321s have visited PIK. And since Christmas there have always been two aircraft at the maintenance hangar there.

Most aircraft have spent around two weeks there, most typically 13 or 14 days. Occasionaly an aircraft is there for a longer period. For example 319 G-EUPZ was there for four weeks in February and early March and 321 G-EUXD was there for over three weeks from mid May to earlier this month (although this period did include the Jubilee Bank Holiday weekend).

I deduce, correctly or incorrectly, that the aircraft may be undergoing extensive inspection and non-destructive testing of their wings and that this is taking around 10 working days. I also deduce that the longer stay aircraft may be having some corrective action taken.

I got to wondering if the investigation was relatedto or was in any way similar to the 380 wing crack problem and whether other operators were carrying out a similar programme or if BA were being ultra cautious.