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From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:33 pm

I have been wondering ever since the LGA hub announcement but have been continuously forgetting to ask: where is DL getting enough planes to add 150+ flights out of LGA? I know they decreased operations at DCA, and yes some of the planes probably came from there, but what about the rest? They added a lot of mainline flying from LGA. And the recently announced new JFK-TPA frequency plus the 5th LGA-TPA and the rest.... It all comes down to this, where are they getting these airplanes from? Is it profitable to have that much slack in the fleet?
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:00 pm

Take a look at what's happened at MEM and CVG over the past couple of years. There's your answer.
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Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:41 pm

We have also been and are still adding MD90's to the fleet. They may not be doing those routes but they free up other mainline aircraft for this flying.
 
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
where is DL getting enough planes to add 150+ flights out of LGA?

They have also cut back JFK a bit in terms of capacity.
 
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:10 am

There is also some slack in the fleets.. and longer days flying can add flights here and there with a fleet as large as Delta's.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:20 am

Quoting KGRB (Reply 1):
Take a look at what's happened at MEM and CVG over the past couple of years. There's your answer.

   and all of us here in CVG are waiting patiently for the LGA hub to bust in the profits department so the flights will return back here  
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:37 am

The vast majority was 50 seater and 2-class RJs that came from:
1) DCA - reduction for slots traded to US
2) JFK - transition of some regional flying from JFK to LGA
3) MEM & CVG - some ongoing reductions in regional flying in the secondary hubs
4) Increased utilization of existing aircraft

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
and all of us here in CVG are waiting patiently for the LGA hub to bust in the profits department so the flights will return back here

Well, it has been quote the opposite. DL is extremely happy with the initial success at LGA with the first wave of new flights. Margins are up, corporate share in NYC is growing, and for the most part they've exceeded their initial expectations.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
The vast majority was 50 seater and 2-class RJs that came from:
1) DCA - reduction for slots traded to US
2) JFK - transition of some regional flying from JFK to LGA
3) MEM & CVG - some ongoing reductions in regional flying in the secondary hubs
4) Increased utilization of existing aircraft



Missing one big piece. GoJet. Those "-CA" registered CR7s came from OO/EV and moved from ATL/CVG/SLC to LGA/DTW.

And as mentioned the 50 seater lift came from a HUGE amount of slack in the RP 145 fleet.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:38 pm

Not to get too off topic, but why are there no MD-90s flying in and out of LGA on a regular basis?
 
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:15 pm

I believe DL will begin to use E70/75's on LGA-BOS shuttle flights so those A319's will be deployed on a few mainline flts out of LGA.
 
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
Not to get too off topic, but why are there no MD-90s flying in and out of LGA on a regular basis?

They are mostly being used on MSP flights, which frees up other aircraft to fly the LGA flights.
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:26 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
Well, it has been quote the opposite. DL is extremely happy with the initial success at LGA with the first wave of new flights. Margins are up, corporate share in NYC is growing, and for the most part they've exceeded their initial expectations.

   Let's see what happens after July 11
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 9):

That is correct and I beleive it's already happened

[Edited 2012-06-19 17:36:04]
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:41 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
Let's see what happens after July 11

What is happening on July 11th?
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting poLot (Reply 13):
What is happening on July 11th?

the second set of slots become available for DL to use
 
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting poLot (Reply 13):
What is happening on July 11th?

Isn't that also the day that LGA officially becomes a Delta Hub? Or is it the 10th?
 
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:00 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):

wont happen.

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):

Funny thing, I think ATL has more 90 flights this summer than MSP. Its close but I think thats the case.
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
wont happen.

I know    But we can always hope
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):

You would be better of pulling against DTW than NYC.  

(wont get what you want anyways, but even without LGA, CVG isn't needed with DTW right there)
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:08 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 18):
You would be better of pulling against DTW than NYC.

We were once watching the weather channel banking on a huge crippling blizzard to destroy DTW...instead, it hit CVG   

With the order of the 717s, will a lot of them go to LGA or to ATL? (aren't they based at ATL anyway?)
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:09 am

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
The vast majority was 50 seater and 2-class RJs that came from:
1) DCA - reduction for slots traded to US
2) JFK - transition of some regional flying from JFK to LGA
3) MEM & CVG - some ongoing reductions in regional flying in the secondary hubs
4) Increased utilization of existing aircraft

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Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:34 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
Not to get too off topic, but why are there no MD-90s flying in and out of LGA on a regular basis?

They are mostly being used on MSP flights, which frees up other aircraft to fly the LGA flights.

Actually, the majority of the MD-90 departures are out of ATL. But yes, MSP is an M90 base.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
With the order of the 717s, will a lot of them go to LGA or to ATL?

I think the majority will operate out of ATL and DTW, with lesser numbers at MSP and LGA.
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:04 am

Over 90% of the new flights out of LGA are operated by Delta Connection carriers. That's how Delta's doing it.
 
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 22):

Anyone with half a brain that looks at the list of new cities will know that most to of the flying does not warrant mainline a/c.

Disclaimer but the information below is a copy and paste from one of my own posts made about 3 months ago. Info will be slightly off but for the purpose of this reply it should do. All, please correct any information as you see fit (like stuff that now only operate out of JFK) upgrade/downgrade in frequencies/equipment, etc. Because I simply wanted to post the cities and don't have time to check and fix the schedule/ a/c.

Quote:
March 2nd

NAS 1x MD88

March 25th

ALB 1x ERJ
BUF 4x CR7, 1x ERJ
BTV 2x CR7, 1x ERJ
DFW 6x E70
GSO 3x ERJ
SDF 1x ERJ
MHT 1x ERJ
MIA 4x MD88
ORF 4x ERJ
RIC 4x ERJ, 1x CRJ
ROC 2x CR9, 2x CR7
SYR 4x ERJ, 1x CR7

May 25th

YHZ 1x ERJ

July 11th

CLT 4x CR7, 1x CR9
CHO 1x ERJ
CLE 5x ERJ
DEN 2x 738
IAH 3x E75, 1x E70
MKE 2x CR9, 1x E70
YUL 5x ERJ
MYR 1x CR7
PIT 3x CR7, 2x CR9, 1x E75
PHL 5x ERJ
ROA 1x ERJ
IAD 4x ERJ
ILM 2x ERJ

I know i'm digging up a very dead horse here but this same reply was made to you 3 months ago along with

Quote:
-In my post, I said I supported DL metal to CLT, BUF, IAH, PIT and DFW. I was also being realistic by saying at the most we will see a MIX of mainline and RJs (one well timed mainline flight to complement the large RJs). However, I doubt we will ever see it on the likes of PIT and IAH for varying reasons. For one, I would expect the capacity to move to MSP first which is an actual transfer hub over LGA which will focus primarily on O/D from either side of the respective route.

-BTW, are we even looking at the other hubs as a comparison??? RIC sees all CR2s from DTW. CLT is a mix of 175s and Buses from MSP. DTW-BUF is all CR2s and 1 CR9 in the summer with MSP getting a single CR9. IAH, DFW and PIT is 175/CR9 country from both MSP and DTW.

Before we start talking about dumping mainline a/c into the likes of LGA, we need to look at the non-ATL stuff and see how DL handles the traffic. The fleet is not THAT big to support the dream mainline expansion out of LaGuardia when they don't even have the a/c for the other true hubs..

We are already seeing the mainline stuff to the suspected candidates like RDU (scheduled but not flying yet) and some other city someone else mentioned maybe a week ago. Is it BUF maybe?

[Edited 2012-06-21 07:05:11]
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:00 pm

I went ahead and looked through the schedule and will provide the current frequencies. I see some additions and subtractions. I wanted to use a Thursday after the second wave so went with 19 July.

NAS 1x MD88

ALB Gone
BUF 3x CR7, 2x E70, 1x 320, 1x E75
BTV 3x CR7
DFW 4x E75, 3x E70
GSO 4x ERJ
SDF 2x ERJ
MHT 3x ERJ
MIA 4x 320
ORF 5x ERJ
RIC 3x ERJ, 1x CR7, 1x CRJ
ROC 3x CR7 , 1x E75
SYR 5x ERJ

YHZ 2x ERJ

CLT 5x CR7, 1x E70
CHO 1x ERJ
CLE 5x ERJ
DEN 2x 738
IAH 2x E75, 2x E70
MKE 3x CR7, 1x E75
YUL 5x ERJ
MYR 1x E75 Sat/Sun
PIT 6x CR7
PHL 3x ERJ, 2x CRJ
ROA 1x ERJ
IAD 4x ERJ
ILM 2x ERJ

What's the start date for SRQ and BDA (both announced recently).
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:08 pm

I know most flights are CRJ/ERJ/EMB 170/75, but to add 150 + flights in the course of 3 months, they have to pull those aircraft from somewhere. Even with the reductions in DCA, they must've had either huge slack in the fleet or several stored aircraft.
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 25):

Your question was answered. There were no stored large RJs to fund the flying. Everything was in the air already. Trips are now a bit more "optimized" as the fleet planners like to say. Meaning that they are flying the paint off of them. Like I said, most of the CR7 lift is on GoJet. GoJet got the a/c from a re-bid that OO and EV lost. The a/c are all former Comair CR7s (registrations ending in CA) that they lost to OO/EV some years back but are actually owned by DL.

The a/c routing on the 170s/175s simply changed to accomodate the additionaly flights at LGA. The ERJ flights are a combination of reductions at JFK and simply using the a/c a bit more than they had. In the past, an RP 145 would get into an outstation at say 2pm and would sit until about 5 for a return flight to JFK. You're not going to see that anymore. There's A LOT you can do with 20+ 50 seaters. There were CR9s scheduled foor some of the new cities but has since been pulled for either more CR7s or a combination of all 3 (CR7s/170s/175s) see my first post with the original schedule.

Creative a/c routing will find the mainline a/c and that's not something new for DL. At least last year (don't know how they do it now) they way they would get 88s into MSP to do stuff like LGA and BOS would be something like ATL-MSP-BOS-MSP-XXX or ATL-MSP-LGA-MSP-XXX etc. The days of "out and backs" are long gone for some of these additions to work.
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:18 pm

Now that answers my question. Thank you very much, i appreciate your answer. Y'all have a good day!
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RE: From Where Is DL Getting These Planes?

Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 27):
Now that answers my question. Thank you very much, i appreciate your answer. Y'all have a good day!

NP. Math is not my strongest suite but just from what I posted, that's 98 additional departures plus other additions I haven't included such as SRQ/BDA and additional frequencies to some Florida cities that were announced about 2-3 weeks ago. There's also been adds to other cities that's always had service to LGA like RDU and others.
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