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OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:03 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

5W EWR-KEF JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

AA CLE-LGA SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
AA DCA-RDU SEP 7>6 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 7>6 JAN 8>7 FEB 7>6
AA DFW-ACT SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA DFW-AEX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-BOS SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
AA DFW-CLL SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-CUN OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
AA DFW-EVV SEP 1.0>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.9
AA DFW-GPT SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA DFW-IAD SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
AA DFW-LAS AUG 10>11 SEP 10>12 OCT 10>12 NOV 10>12 DEC 10>12 JAN 10>12 FEB 10>12
AA DFW-LAW SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA DFW-MEX SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
*AA DFW-MZT SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
AA DFW-PNS SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
AA DFW-PSP OCT 2>3
*AA DFW-PVR SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>3 NOV 1.1>3 DEC 1.2>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3
AA DFW-SAF SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA DFW-SHV SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
AA DFW-SJD OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA DFW-SJU SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-SLC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA DFW-SPS SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA DFW-TRC AUG 2>1.6 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
AA DFW-TYR SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA DFW-VPS SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 6>5 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
AA DFW-XNA OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
AA JFK-DCA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
AA LAX-BNA SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
AA LAX-DFW SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18 NOV 19>18 DEC 19>18 JAN 19>18 FEB 19>18
AA LAX-MRY SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA LAX-RNO SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA LAX-SJD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.7 NOV 1.0>1.3
AA LGA-RDU SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10 DEC 9>10 JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10
*AA MIA-ASU NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6
AA MIA-BWI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-CUN SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-DCA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
AA MIA-DEN SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA MIA-FPO SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA MIA-JAX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA MIA-LAX SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7
AA MIA-MHH SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0 NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0 FEB 1.3>1.0
AA MIA-PUJ SEP 1.0>1.6 OCT 1.0>1.6 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA MIA-STL SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA ORD-DFW SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18 NOV 19>17 DEC 19>16 JAN 19>16 FEB 19>16
AA ORD-FLL SEP 2>1.0 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA ORD-MIA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
AA ORD-PSP OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0.5>1.5 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
AA ORD-RSW SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA ORD-SDF SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA ORD-SEA SEP 5>6
*AA ORD-SJD OCT 0>1.1 NOV 0.5>1.7 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3
AA ORD-STL SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8
AA ORD-TVC SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3

AI EWR-BOM JUL 1.0>0
AI JFK-DEL JUL 1.0>0
AI ORD-DEL JUL 1.0>0

...and the roulette wheel this week lands on...
AM FAT-GDL JUL 0.4>1.0 AUG 0.4>0.8
AM LAS-MEX OCT 3>1.8
AM MIA-CUN SEP 0.3>0
AM SAT-MTY OCT 0.5>0.8

AS LAX-MZT NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
AS LAX-ZIH NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
AS LAX-ZLO NOV 0.7>0.3 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
*AS OGG-SAN NOV 1.6>1.1 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
*AS OGG-SMF NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0
AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2
AS SJC-GDL DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0
AS SJC-SJD DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0

B6 JFK-BGI SEP 0.9>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-LIR OCT 0.7>0.5
B6 JFK-STI SEP 5>6 OCT 4>5
B6 JFK-SXM SEP 0.9>0.7
B6 SJU-SDQ SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 1.9>3

BTV DIC-CGK JUL 0.6>0.2 AUG 0.6>0.1 SEP 0.6>0.2 OCT 0.6>0.1 NOV 0.6>0.1 DEC 0.6>0.2 JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.1
BTV DIC-DPS JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4

DL ATL-AMS NOV 1.5>1.7 DEC 1.6>1.7 JAN 1.6>1.7 FEB 1.6>1.7
*DL ATL-BCN NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL ATL-BTR SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
DL ATL-HSV DEC 7>8
DL ATL-NAS JAN 3>4
*DL ATL-PUJ OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.5>2
DL ATL-ROA NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL ATL-SJC OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0
DL BOS-MCI SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.8>0.9 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0
DL CMH-RDU NOV 1.6>0.8
DL DTW-CDG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-CMH JAN 5>6 FEB 5>7
DL DTW-DLH NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.5>1.0
DL DTW-ICN JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0
DL DTW-ORF FEB 4>5
DL DTW-YYZ SEP 8>7
DL JFK-DKR NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
*DL JFK-PRG NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL LGA-BGR OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL LGA-CHS SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL LGA-MCO SEP 7>6
DL LGA-MSY SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL LGA-SDF SEP 1.4>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.6>3 FEB 1.6>3
DL LGA-SYR SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL MSO-MSP FEB 1.5>1.0
DL MSP-YQR SEP 1.9>1.8 OCT 2>1.9
DL MSP-YXE SEP 1.9>1.8 OCT 2>1.9
DL MSP-YYC OCT 4>3
DL ORD-CDG NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
DL SEA-CDG NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SLC-BIL OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
DL SLC-GDL SEP 0.1>0
DL SLC-OAK JAN 3>4
DL SLC-YVR SEP 1.9>1.6 OCT 2>1.5 NOV 1.9>1.7 DEC 2>1.8
DL SLC-YYC SEP 1.8>1.9 OCT 1.9>2

F9 ORD-PUJ JUL 0.2>0

FL ATL-RIC DEC 3>4
WN route route transitions
FL EYW-TPA NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MCO-EYW NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MCO-MSP NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-BOS NOV 3>0.4 DEC 2>0
FL MKE-BWI NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-FLL NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-LGA NOV 3>0.3 DEC 3>0
FL MKE-MSP NOV 5>0.4 DEC 5>0
FL MKE-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0

G4 ATW-AZA DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-DLH DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 BIL-LAX NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 BLI-HNL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 BLI-LAS DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9
G4 BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 EUG-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 FAT-HNL DEC 0.2>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3
G4 FLL-LEX DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 FLL-PBG JAN 0.6>1.3 FEB 0.6>1.3
G4 FSD-LAX NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GFK-LAS DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 GFK-SFB DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 GRR-LAS DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 GSP-PIE DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
G4 ILM-SFB DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 LAS-PIA DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 LAS-SGF NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 LAX-MSO NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-PSC NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-XNA NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 MRY-HNL DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
G4 OWB-SFB DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3
G4 SCK-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 SFB-TYS DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 SFB-XNA DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 SMX-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3

*JL SAN-NRT DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6

LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.5>1.8

TS FLL-YQB NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
TS FLL-YUL NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.5
TS FLL-YYZ NOV 0>0.1
TS MCO-YQB JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
TS MCO-YUL NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.6
TS MCO-YWG JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
TS MCO-YYZ NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.2>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.5

UA CLE-FLL DEC 1.3>2
UA CLE-PWM NOV 0.2>0.1 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.2>0.1
UA DEN-ABQ NOV 5>6
UA DEN-BIL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-BIS NOV 4>5
UA DEN-CPR NOV 4>5
UA DEN-DFW SEP 5>6
UA DEN-EGE NOV 1.9>1.2
UA DEN-ELP NOV 3>4
UA DEN-FAR NOV 3>4
UA DEN-LAS NOV 4>5
UA DEN-MSN NOV 3>4
UA DEN-OKC NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PDX SEP 4>5 NOV 4>5
UA DEN-TUL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-TUS NOV 5>4
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-PWM OCT 4>5
UA EWR-RDU OCT 7>8
UA EWR-YQB NOV 4>3
UA EWR-YUL NOV 6>5
UA FLL-TCB JUL 1.2>1.3 AUG 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.2>1.3 OCT 1.1>1.3
UA IAD-DTW SEP 3>4
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
UA IAH-BTR OCT 9>8
UA IAH-CLL OCT 6>5 NOV 6>4 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
UA IAH-COS OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA IAH-GJT OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-GSP OCT 1.9>3
UA IAH-HSV OCT 4>3
UA IAH-IAD NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA IAH-JAN OCT 5>6
UA IAH-MIA OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 FEB 4>5
UA IAH-MSY OCT 11>10 NOV 11>10
UA IAH-ONT OCT 3>1.9
UA IAH-ORF SEP 1.8>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-RSW OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.9
UA IAH-SJC OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA IAH-SMF OCT 3>2
UA LAX-DEN NOV 8>7
UA LAX-KOA DEC 1.0>1.4
UA ORD-BTV SEP 4>5
UA ORD-DAY SEP 6>7
UA ORD-DLH NOV 1.9>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
UA ORD-DSM SEP 6>7
UA ORD-DTW SEP 7>8
UA ORD-GSP OCT 3>4
UA ORD-PWM SEP 3>4
UA ORD-RAP SEP 2>3
UA ORD-SPI OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA ORD-TVC SEP 3>4
UA SFO-IAD DEC 11>10
UA SFO-KOA DEC 2>1.4
UA SFO-KOA NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.4
UA SFO-RDD SEP 4>3

UX JFK-MAD JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0

VW SAT-SLW JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

Schedule extension
VX BOS-LAX JAN 0.4>1.6 FEB 0>1.8
VX BOS-SFO JAN 0.6>1.9 FEB 0>1.6
VX DCA-<
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:04 pm

VX DCA-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX DFW-LAX JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>3
VX DFW-SFO JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>3
VX FLL-LAX JAN 0.5>3 FEB 0>3
VX FLL-SFO JAN 0.5>1.8 FEB 0>1.8
VX IAD-LAX JAN 0.5>3 FEB 0>2
VX IAD-SFO JAN 0.8>4 FEB 0>4
VX JFK-LAS JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX JFK-LAX JAN 1.4>6 FEB 0>6
VX JFK-SFO JAN 1.1>5 FEB 0>5
VX LAS-SFO JAN 1.7>8 FEB 0>8
VX LAX-CUN JAN 0.2>0.6 FEB 0>0.6
VX LAX-MCO FEB 0>0.9
VX LAX-ORD JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>1.9
VX LAX-PDX JAN 0.5>2 FEB 0>2
VX LAX-PHL JAN 0.7>3 FEB 0>2
VX LAX-SEA JAN 0.9>4 FEB 0>4
VX LAX-SFO JAN 1.8>8 FEB 0>8
VX MCO-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX ORD-SFO JAN 0.7>3 FEB 0>1.7
VX PDX-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX PHL-SFO JAN 0.5>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
VX PSP-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.1
VX SAN-SFO JAN 1.1>5 FEB 0>4
VX SEA-SFO JAN 0.8>4 FEB 0>4
VX SFO-CUN FEB 0>0.2
VX SFO-PVR JAN 0.2>0.5 FEB 0>0.4
VX SFO-SJD JAN 0.2>0.8 FEB 0>0.7

WP BIL-GGW JUL 0.7>0.2
WP GGW-OLF JUL 1.7>0.6

YV HNL-LIH AUG 8>9
YV HNL-OGG JUL 8>7 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
YV LIH-HNL AUG 8>9
YV LIH-OGG JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0
YV OGG-HNL JUL 8>7 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
YV OGG-LIH JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-PNS SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6

Glad to see PNS keep the 6th flight.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0

So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

This leaves BPT with no airline service. It joins the ranks of many other small cities that have lost all air service.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:42 pm

Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?
"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-BNA SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

So much for all the ANet rumours that "AA will have to drop LAX-BNA soon".......
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?

Not just you. DEN and ORD growing, IAH shrinking. The start of UA following through with their 10% IAH capacity cut?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 5):

I guess so. I just didn't believe them initially. Good for DEN though -- after many months of trims.
"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0
So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

I just something about the P of NYNJ launching an effort for SWF. I guess that's not working out. They need an LCC.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.

Is F9 flying OMA-DCA or LGA still?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

This leaves BPT with no airline service. It joins the ranks of many other small cities that have lost all air service.

EAS?

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?

Well, DEN gave them $22m per year in rent breaks screwing the other airlines and HOU has pissed them off. Of course, IAH is almost certainly way more profitable than DEN, but lets not make decisions based on profits.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):

So much for all the ANet rumours that "AA will have to drop LAX-BNA soon".......

Rumors are often just...
 
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Surprised about the Beaumont cuts.
Victoria did not surprise me that much but the "Golden Triangle" area will probably go after AA to DFW now or even DL to ATL I'd presume.

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Quoting enilria (Reply 7):

How did they screw the other airlines by giving UA 22 mill in rent breaks? Also, I beg the differ over IAH. I don't think everything they fly is profitable.
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Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I just something about the P of NYNJ launching an effort for SWF. I guess that's not working out. They need an LCC.

They have B6. SWF is never going to be a valid alternative NYC airport. It's 60 miles North of NYC, the population bands around the NYC metropolitan areas flow East/West from Suffolk County on Long Island and Fairfield County in Connecticut through NYC and West through New Jersey. Orange County NY (SWF) 60 miles North is outside the population band of the NYC area.
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS OGG-SAN NOV 1.6>1.1 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
*AS OGG-SMF NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0
AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2


Although nothing was ever said (by AS) about this additional SAN/SMF-Maui capacity being seasonal (or temporary) when it was added, I assumed it might be. (In fact nothing was ever said about the added capacity, period!) Some of the lift is obviously going to PDX-OGG for the winter which makes sense.

Or maybe it was simply too many seats in those two non-competitive markets. In any case, it was great to see it while it lasted.

(And I continue to hope that if some ETOPS-a/c time again becomes available next year, AS will use some of it to launch SAN to KOA and LIH...)

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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 SJU-SDQ SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 1.9>3

Guess the flights are doing well

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

I have flown this many times and it was always full. but I doubt they were making nay money. BPT is practically a suburb of houston these days and will all the security lines etc...may just be faster and cheaper to drive now.
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*JL SAN-NRT DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6

787 route. Glad to see this finally loaded!


Also not loaded yet, the BA flight from LHR to PHX is going to be increased to daily starting in december (see my other thread)
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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Reply 7):

How did they screw the other airlines by giving UA 22 mill in rent breaks? Also, I beg the differ over IAH. I don't think everything they fly is profitable.
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...02/denver-council-panel-backs.html
United Airlines could cut its annual lease payments to Denver International Airport by $22 million a year if it ramps up its traffic at the airport, according to a deal backed Wednesday by a Denver City Council committee.
The deal is structured so that DEN-NRT and a few other tiny things meet the requirement.

Heck estimated that of DIA's other major airlines, Frontier Airlines is likely to see its annual lease payments reduced by $2 million under the deal and Southwest Airlines is likely to save $1 million.
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The service increase requirement "raises the question of whether the relief United is receiving is essentially a United-centric marketing incentive masquerading as a facilities deal," wrote Robert Ashcroft, Frontier's senior vice president of finance.
The agreement was approved, Tokyo was announced the next day, and F9/WN said they would go to FAA. A DIA spokesperson said go for it.

In order to do this, they took an excess of PFC money and used it to pay off debt for projects that 88% benefited UA. Additionally, WN is now the largest O&D airline at DIA. Since customer parking is typically the largest generator of airport revenue, it is hard to imagine how UA would get 88% of the money.

Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

Meanwhile, UA complains they got a raw deal in Houston. ROTFL

Doug Parker had a study recently showing IAH was one of the most profitable hubs in the USA. DEN is clearly a warzone with three carriers fighting. It was not on the list. Is "everything" profitable at IAH? Of course not. There's always a mix, but on the whole it makes a lot of money.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
They have B6.

Forgot about that. They barely fly there, though, right?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
SAN/SMF-Maui capacity being seasonal (or temporary) when it was added, I assumed it might be.

Winter is peak, right? So it isn't a seasonal adjustment.
 
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I don't get why in the fall and winter, AA is cutting R/Ts between ORD and DFW. Considering the feed into the DFW hub, as well as the need to reroute people due to snow in Chicago, cutting down R/Ts doesn't make sense.

By the same token, adding a R/T on ORD-SEA in the fall also doesn't make sense. The cruise ship season ends in September. You would think that would take the schedule down 1 R/T.

And reducing ORD-MIA doesn't make sense. Considering that MIA is growing as a connection hub, and the amount of cruise traffic out of MIA, reducing the schedule makes no sense.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Doug Parker had a study recently showing IAH was one of the most profitable hubs in the USA.

IAH needs better optimization. Stop flying the E145s to every point in the southeast and the countless 738s to South America. They also don't fly to nearly all the Latam destinations the could possibly fly to like AA does out of MIA.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

I mean, United has had a hub in Denver for how many years? Southwest, only a few...
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
They also don't fly to nearly all the Latam destinations the could possibly fly to like AA does out of MIA.

But they fly to pretty much everyone that can be profitable from IAH....they even tried some like CLO for a few years but had to cut them.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
Stop flying the E145s to every point in the southeast and the countless 738s to South America.

You could give the same advice regarding ATL to DL and would make just as much sense, none.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):

I don't get why in the fall and winter, AA is cutting R/Ts between ORD and DFW. Considering the feed into the DFW hub, as well as the need to reroute people due to snow in Chicago, cutting down R/Ts doesn't make sense.

By the same token, adding a R/T on ORD-SEA in the fall also doesn't make sense. The cruise ship season ends in September. You would think that would take the schedule down 1 R/T.

And reducing ORD-MIA doesn't make sense. Considering that MIA is growing as a connection hub, and the amount of cruise traffic out of MIA, reducing the schedule makes no sense.

I suspect that the reason for the cuts is the lower demand for travel in general in the fall and winter. They may adjust the schedules to make up for the cut flights.
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AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2

Looks like AS is taking good advantage of HA dropping this route earlier in the year. Thanks to AS for increasing frequency.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
Looks like AS is taking good advantage of HA dropping this route earlier in the year. Thanks to AS for increasing frequency.

Was that HA route usually empty? Because a 767 is quite a bit different in the seat count than a couple of 737s (depending on the model, of course)
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
Was that HA route usually empty? Because a 767 is quite a bit different in the seat count than a couple of 737s (depending on the model, of course)

I don't think it was running empty, but obviously HA felt the aircraft would be better used flying OAK-OGG 4x weekly and SJC 3x weekly. I do agree 2 738's are lesser seats than a 738 and a 763 daily, maybe 2 738's is the right amount of lift.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:08 am

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WN route route transitions
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MKE-LGA NOV 3>0.3 DEC 3>0

Even I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't moved one or two of these flights to another city yet. I'm confident that they'll keep at least a few of the MKE-DCA/LGA flights, but if we do indeed lose some LGA it'd be nice if they added EWR in exchange.
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Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.
Is F9 flying OMA-DCA or LGA still?

Yup to OMA-DCA....essentially the same twice-daily schedule that legacy YX started in 1995.
Nope to OMA-LGA...that one F9/YX never flew. OMA-EWR on YX ran from roughly 1995 to 2002 1x/day but was killed when CO* came into OMA-EWR with multiple RJ's.
 
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The recent thread about B6 cancelling BTV-MCO appears to have been deleted. Is this because the BTV-MCO cancellation was unsubstantiated? Anyone know?
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Winter is peak, right? So it isn't a seasonal adjustment.

PDX-HI would undoubtedly be peak season in the winter but I would expect SAN-HI is busier in the summer. (SMF-OGG I have no idea.)

In any case, AS apparently knows that the a/c will be more productive from PDX to Maui than from California in the winter (especially since they have the Oregon market to themselves now.)

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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:28 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0

So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

Well they are keeping DTW-SWF, but that can be flown with 50 seat RJs. Due to the distance under DL's rules, ATL-SWF needs to be flown with a 2-class RJ.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 14):


Wow, I had no idea any of this was going on. I'll be sure to dig in to this one. It's a bit odd they'd add one daily to BIS as well as FAR after F9 had just started it. Likely all CR2. I know western ND is booming but this may be to also put a squeeze on F9 in the ND-DEN market.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Of course, IAH is almost certainly way more profitable than DEN, but lets not make decisions based on profits

That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is.

Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderately strong O/D airport that's totally out of the way for just about every connecting pair in the US with some good facilities and a lot of really subpar ones.

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Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):
That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is.

Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderately strong O/D airport that's totally out of the way for just about every connecting pair in the US with some good facilities and a lot of really subpar ones.

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that's "crap" too as you call it. It is (depending on survey source dates) the highest or one of the highest air fare markets in the country for o/d with a strong premium and last minute fare demand. Raw numbers it is not top 10 but premium is very strong. It is not out of the way for Southern California, or the Southwest, to Florida, NOLA, or much of the Southeast, which is a large catchment area. Is it great for SFO-BOS? of course not, but it has its feed, not to mention Mexico traffic. Terminal E is a great facility with an outstanding club, and B will be fixed soon enough.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.5>1.8

LA LIM-LAX 1.4>1.9 LAN increases LIM-LAX to 13x weekly in October.
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:46 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):
especially since they have the Oregon market to themselves now

Well except our daily HA 763 running to HNL, in the past we have seen, NW, PA, BN, UA, CO. Now just AS & HA.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:00 pm

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 5):
The start of UA following through with their 10% IAH capacity cut?
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
I guess so. I just didn't believe them initially. Good for DEN though -- after many months of trims.

Smoke and mirrors my friends...smoke and mirrors. Every time this thread comes up we have these discussions. These are the annual seasonal reductions as well as the draw down of Colgan and the legitimate right sizing of the hub. If you look at the routes being cut, a good portion of them are tied to Colgan. Others are seasonal cuts - particularly out to the west coast. One thing about DEN, even though they have had adds - IAH and DEN have swapped a good number of 757 & 738/739. So I don't know what the net change is between the two to be perfectly honest. The 757 is a very slight addition in seats compared to the 737s.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
UA IAH-BTR OCT 9>8
UA IAH-CLL OCT 6>5 NOV 6>4 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
UA IAH-COS OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA IAH-GJT OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-GSP OCT 1.9>3
UA IAH-HSV OCT 4>3
UA IAH-IAD NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA IAH-JAN OCT 5>6
UA IAH-MIA OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 FEB 4>5
UA IAH-MSY OCT 11>10 NOV 11>10
UA IAH-ONT OCT 3>1.9
UA IAH-ORF SEP 1.8>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-RSW OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.9
UA IAH-SJC OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA IAH-SMF OCT 3>2
Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):
That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is.

Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderately strong O/D airport that's totally out of the way for just about every connecting pair in the US with some good facilities and a lot of really subpar ones.

Yeah, this is an old dying b.s. argument. The only subpar portion of IAH is really Terminal B. Its not out of the way especially when considering people travel based on miles and fares. The other thing is it is documented that IAH is one of the most profitable hubs in the country. For UA EWR is more profitable...followed by IAH. I'm surprised our delete happy mods don't erase your response for pure opinion and conjecture.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Doug Parker had a study recently showing IAH was one of the most profitable hubs in the USA.

IAH needs better optimization. Stop flying the E145s to every point in the southeast and the countless 738s to South America. They also don't fly to nearly all the Latam destinations the could possibly fly to like AA does out of MIA.

Well, whenever the airline is truly fleet combined they can run a FAM (Fleet Assignment Model) and fix those types of problems.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

I mean, United has had a hub in Denver for how many years? Southwest, only a few...

The United PFC funds were already committed to other projects...and I suspect those projects were approved by United. The funds used did not take back to the 1980s, they were generated in just the last few years from WN's unexpectedly large operation.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 23):
Even I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't moved one or two of these flights to another city yet.

I am kind of surprised, but DL/RJET is still on the route --- it just changed branding.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 24):
Yup to OMA-DCA....essentially the same twice-daily schedule that legacy YX started in 1995.
Nope to OMA-LGA...that one F9/YX never flew.

It seems like F9 has no idea what to do with its slots, but keeps asking for more.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):
I would expect SAN-HI is busier in the summer.

Why? SAN may be warmer than PDX, but the weather in Hawaii is the same. SAN isn't great in the Winter and Spring compared to Hawaii. Are you saying people in SAN go to Hawaii in the Summer because it is cooler than SAN? That's a pretty unusual travel pattern. Possible, though...

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 27):
Well they are keeping DTW-SWF, but that can be flown with 50 seat RJs. Due to the distance under DL's rules, ATL-SWF needs to be flown with a 2-class RJ.

Those rules are kind of ridiculous.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):
That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is.

Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderately strong O/D airport that's totally out of the way for just about every connecting pair in the US with some good facilities and a lot of really subpar ones.

I suppose MIA is also an awful hub? It's terribly positioned to carry U.S. domestic traffic. Oh wait, U.S. carriers couldn't care less about carrying domestic traffic...now, why was that? I remember...because the yields internationally are sooo much better. So, would you rather have a hub in Iowa that serves the East-West low yield domestic market, but is perfectly geographically positioned or an oil-rich hub sitting at the tip of the USA directly on the way to one of the least competitive, highest yield markets left?

BTW, let's also ignore any sort of yield data or Wall Street analyst coverage of hubs or anything else and just pronounce it baselessly as "crap".

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 30):
the highest or one of the highest air fare markets in the country for o/d with a strong premium and last minute fare demand.

  
 
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:08 pm

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Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
They have B6.

Forgot about that. They barely fly there, though, right?

B6 maintains enough presence at SWF to dissuade other potential LCC's from entering the market. For the northern fringes of the NYC metro, SWF is an alternative to HPN/LGA/EWR and less so JFK.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
SWF is never going to be a valid alternative NYC airport. It's 60 miles North of NYC, the population bands around the NYC metropolitan areas flow East/West from Suffolk County on Long Island and Fairfield County in Connecticut through NYC and West through New Jersey. Orange County NY (SWF) 60 miles North is outside the population band of the NYC area.

It won't ever be a NYC airport, but the counties of Orange, Dutchess, Ulster, and Putnam (assuming no one from Rockland would use SWF) together have just under one million inhabitants -- and that's a very respectable population base. And with the completion of the new access road, SWF is pretty easy to get to. The bigger issue is that none of the big players at the NYC airports + HPN (speaking to B6 at the latter) really benefit from having a station at SWF, as anyone that might use SWF would drive to one of the NYC airports or potentially ALB if there were little to no service at SWF.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
BPT is practically a suburb of houston these days and will all the security lines etc...may just be faster and cheaper to drive now.

BPT is hardly a suburb or even a satellite city of Houston -- there's still a LOT of nothing on I-10 between Mont Belvieu and Beaumont. The population of Chambers County (immediately east of Harris County on the way to Beaumont) is still only 35,000. But I suspect the completion of the final (northeast) leg of the Sam Houston Tollway has made the drive easier from points east. However, I'm sure the excuse from UA is that the future international service at HOU has rendered BPT unprofitable. I suppose CLL is next.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

Not just this, but in general the airport is supposed to be run more or less at break-even (with allowances for capital projects), since airport revenues by Federal law can't flow back to the City's general fund. So reductions in rent which disproportionally (as a percentage share of airport traffic) benefit one carrier are essentially taking away from end-of-year refunds which are paid out proportionally to all carriers. And UA is getting a special deal in that the airport is letting them out of long-term leases for that space.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):

What's so bad about this post? He's got a point, IAH was quickly becoming second fiddle to EWR in the last years with CO.

Quoting enilria (Reply 34):
The funds used did not take back to the 1980s, they were generated in just the last few years from WN's unexpectedly large operation.

I don't know -- I really don't find it to be a problem for UA to get extra the extra revenue from DEN. WN will be strong no matter what, I'm sure they really don't give a crap about this. Frontier might be dead in a year or two.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
He's got a point, IAH was quickly becoming second fiddle to EWR in the last years with CO.

I think it's the opposite, Terminal E came after EWR's Global Gateway investment. Also the $1 Billion dollar renovation of Terminal B at IAH was announced within the last two years. Almost all of CO's major capital investment has been into IAH in the past ten years, their first 787 routes were announced as originating in IAH.
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
Well except our daily HA 763 running to HNL, in the past we have seen, NW, PA, BN, UA, CO. Now just AS & HA.

I was refering to the current status of Maui service to/from PDX.  
Quoting enilria (Reply 34):
Why? SAN may be warmer than PDX, but the weather in Hawaii is the same. SAN isn't great in the Winter and Spring compared to Hawaii. Are you saying people in SAN go to Hawaii in the Summer because it is cooler than SAN? That's a pretty unusual travel pattern. Possible, though...

I'm saying more people go to Hawaii in the summer because it's "vacation time" and people simply travel more then. The rest of the year, SAN's climate is moderate enough that San Diegans aren't "needing" to get away from the cold, rainy, snowy, lousy weather to warmer climes. There's fairly consistent travel year-round (as with most markets from SAN) with a bit of a bulge from May through September.

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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 35):
BPT is hardly a suburb or even a satellite city of Houston -- there's still a LOT of nothing on I-10 between Mont Belvieu and Beaumont. The population of Chambers County (immediately east of Harris County on the way to Beaumont) is still only 35,000. But I suspect the completion of the final (northeast) leg of the Sam Houston Tollway has made the drive easier from points east. However, I'm sure the excuse from UA is that the future international service at HOU has rendered BPT unprofitable. I suppose CLL is next.

Well, CLL has always had 'heavier' equipment. VCT is the one that is next. BPT is now going to be a BUS route per the local BPT news outlet, this is tied to the Colgan debacle. That was Beumont's only air service...a shame.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
What's so bad about this post? He's got a point, IAH was quickly becoming second fiddle to EWR in the last years with CO.

Besides it being factually incorrect, your statement is tied to CO's lack of aircraft. All the 752s were tied to the majority of the EWR expansion. With the 787s on the horizon and more 739s the attention began to return to IAH. Besides, CO's stagnancy at IAH fostered international growth by foreign carriers.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 37):
I think it's the opposite, Terminal E came after EWR's Global Gateway investment. Also the $1 Billion dollar renovation of Terminal B at IAH was announced within the last two years. Almost all of CO's major capital investment has been into IAH in the past ten years, their first 787 routes were announced as originating in IAH.

Exactly.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 39):
BPT is now going to be a BUS route per the local BPT news outlet, this is tied to the Colgan debacle. That was Beumont's only air service...a shame.

It is a shame if a community is measuring itself based on the availability of air service locally, but frankly a bus service from Beaumont is probably more cost-effective and can likely support greater frequency. Three daily round-trips to IAH don't really provide much schedule flexibility, and the time saved by flying over ground transportation is at most an hour when everything goes perfectly.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
It is a shame if a community is measuring itself based on the availability of air service locally, but frankly a bus service from Beaumont is probably more cost-effective and can likely support greater frequency. Three daily round-trips to IAH don't really provide much schedule flexibility, and the time saved by flying over ground transportation is at most an hour when everything goes perfectly.

CO went to a bus service between Allentown and EWR years ago, it replaced their multiple daily EM2 flights. Its a bit further than Beaumont-IAH.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

They still have DTW service, though any connections to the Southeast US are pretty much gone. ATL has connections to Florida destinations that aren't accessible by B6 and now the chances of needing a double connection are higher. Either that or drive to HPN or ALB.

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I just something about the P of NYNJ launching an effort for SWF. I guess that's not working out. They need an LCC.

They have B6, but they even drastically cut their service since they've been there. Delta brought back ATL upon AirTran's arrival and it survived for years after. I have the feeling Delta will bring ATL back again some day down the line because something always causes them to do so.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:01 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):
Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Of course, IAH is almost certainly way more profitable than DEN, but lets not make decisions based on profits

That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is.

Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderately strong O/D airport that's totally out of the way for just about every connecting pair in the US with some good facilities and a lot of really subpar ones.

NS.

I'm glad you said that. As United discovers how routing some connecting pax over other hubs is more economical, IAH's O/D percentage should increase, even if flight numbers go down. But IAH will still be a good place for connections from the Southwest U.S. to the East Coast and from the SE to the West Coast, and from just about everywhere to Mexico, Central America, and parts of South America.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 39):
BPT is now going to be a BUS route per the local BPT news outlet

This surprised me, but I'm glad they kept the route. United.com shows the schedule from 1 July as:

FLT NBR - - - - - BPT-IAH - - - - - - - - IAH-BPT
6545 / 6546- - - 0545-0745 - - - - - - 0815-1015
6546 / 6547- - - 1040-1240 - - - - - - 1330-1510
6547 / 6548- - - 1535-1735 - - - - - - 1930-2130

A two-hour block time per ride, and it looks as if one bus could do for the whole day. Hopefully, a spare bus will be on hand for MX issues, and some kind of drinks service will be provided.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 38):

I'm saying more people go to Hawaii in the summer because it's "vacation time" and people simply travel more then. The rest of the year, SAN's climate is moderate enough that San Diegans aren't "needing" to get away from the cold, rainy, snowy, lousy weather to warmer climes. There's fairly consistent travel year-round (as with most markets from SAN) with a bit of a bulge from May through September.

Well SAN is where I'd go if I wanted to go to Hawaii, and didn't have the time or money for the Islands. I am not familiar with the travel patterns of those living in the SAN area, but just like everyone else, you need to get away once in a while no matter where you live. When I lived in Hawaii, I took a Caribbean cruise and visited Florida, New Orleans, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Disney, As well as SEL, BKK & SIN.

But no matter where I've been, nothing is as special to me as Hawaii, it feels like home from the first time I stepped off that NW 742 in Aug 1979, from then on I have been back 25+ times and never, ever tire of anything, (except the tourists) Even the cost of living is a fair trade off I made for over 2 years of my life.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:36 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 35):
So reductions in rent which disproportionally (as a percentage share of airport traffic) benefit one carrier are essentially taking away from end-of-year refunds which are paid out proportionally to all carriers.

It's unfair in a lot of ways, although PFC excesses are not paid back under a residual agreement. Nevertheless, they could have committed the funds to paying down debt equitably.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
I don't know -- I really don't find it to be a problem for UA to get extra the extra revenue from DEN. WN will be strong no matter what, I'm sure they really don't give a crap about this. Frontier might be dead in a year or two.

WN does give a crap and already said they intend to complain to FAA. Nobody can afford to give money away these days.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I wonder if this will go seasonal? It's been mainly a CR7 during slow months and a E175 during busy months. So there is a little demand saying the plane gets bigger during the summer. I know, loads are no indication of profitability but flights are pretty full from March-August every year (packed in June!). Seems like a seasonal March-August could work. In addition, fares are always high on this route...consistent $400+ for the nonstop, many times much more.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:37 pm

Where does the bus go in Beaumont? The airport or downtown? Will it leave from a gate area or from outside one of the terminals at IAH?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting joeljack (Reply 46):
I wonder if this will go seasonal? It's been mainly a CR7 during slow months and a E175 during busy months.

I'd doubt it as slots in LGA do not encourage seasonal ops (they can't have more flights in the Summer vs. the Winter), but it is possible they could shift it with Florida, maybe...
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA

Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:03 pm

Sorry to see OMA lose it's nonstop to LGA. I worked many of those flights up until my leaving OMA and always enjoyed nonreving on the nonstop flight, especially if I got first class on the weekends.

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