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British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:42 pm

Hi guys,

I have just seen the new BA advert of a 777 going down various streets to promote London and of course BA.

It got me thinking though, since Concorde the 747 has been the flagship aircraft of BA's fleet, but with the 747's getting past their best and not receiving the new Y and Y+ class, has the 777 taken over as the new flagship aircraft, especially as it features in a few of the new adverts? Until the introduction of the 787's and A380 at least.

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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:59 pm

Well I guess the 777 would be really. It is the most modern longhaul aircraft currently in the BA fleet and the 777-300/re-vamped 777/200 offer the newest seats/product/IFE etc.

Though nowhere near as graceful as the jumbo in my book  
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:01 pm

For now it could be the 77W but BA loves their 744's and so do the passengers. In 2014 it will be the A380, can't wait to see how BA splits the First and Club cabins over the 2 floors.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:12 pm

Now the 747, the year after next the A380. "Modern" doesn't do much for the customer. The biggest aircraft is the most prestigious one and therefore the flag carrier..
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:13 pm

The 747 is far more iconically BA, but I think it's gained a dated image recently... So it makes sense that BA is using the more advanced aircraft in their marketing for now.

But the 747 will long be the quintessential BA flagship.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:16 pm

What about the A318 minibus carrying the 'prestigious' BA001 flight code - size isnt everything  
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:17 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):

Now the 747, the year after next the A380.

Exactly what I would say.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting bastew (Reply 1):

I would agree, the 747 is far more graceful and attractive! Its just strange, put the 777 in the adverts but put the One World large title on the 747's.

At the end of the day, the 747 is still a fantastic iconic plane!  
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:35 pm

I'm sorry but the concept is not recognised in the modern industry. Outwith these forums, I have never even heard it mentioned. It's more of an American thing.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
The biggest aircraft is the most prestigious one and therefore the flag carrier..

Guess the Concorde was never the flagship since it was among the smallest in term of pax capacity.
Those special a/c used at the City airport could also be used as flagship, its not always about being the largest, fastest or even newest tech, being unique is also a qualifier.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
I'm sorry but the concept is not recognised in the modern industry. Outwith these forums, I have never even heard it mentioned.

I agree. This topic comes up every so often, and the discussion always degrades to someone's subjective opinion of what the definition of flagship. Is it the biggest, newest, etc. No one outside of the industry, and most likely no one outside of A.net uses the term and the general public couldn't care less about it.
Some previous topics with opinions on the topic of flagship:
Delta:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=4713211&s=flagship#ID4713211
BA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/1235691/
AA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=4713154&s=flagship#ID4713154
UA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...earchid=371440&s=flagship#ID371440
General topic:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/2816690/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=3536935&s=flagship#ID3536935
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=1523756&s=flagship#ID1523756
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 10):

Don't the general public care? Wunala Dreaming was such an iconic flagship for Qantas, and look how many people were sad to see her go, not just av geeks either. But I understand what you are saying, I was just intrigued to know BA's strategy.  
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:35 pm

If I may say so I don't think we bother calling anything our 'flagship' at BA since Concorde left. There is no comparison.
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:32 pm

I would say the flagship (in BA's case at least) is the one that appears on the entrance page to their website.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/global/public/en_

It used to be a 747 but has now been replaced with a 772.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:48 pm

This kinda says it all really...

http://www.britishairways.com/cms/global/assets/images/local/uk/Carousel_Brands1400x475_june2012.jpg
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:17 pm

Does that have the raked B77W / B77L wingtips?
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 13):

That's a 767 btw
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
Does that have the raked B77W / B77L wingtips?

I'm pretty sure it does. You can enlarge the size of the photo in the post by motorhussy and to me it definitely looks like it is a 777W to me...but don't quote me!!
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
It's more of an American thing.

Even we don't do it much anymore. I'd agree with those who have said it's an obsolete phrase. Coach is coach is coach whether you're on an A319 a 777 or an A380.

Honestly, how is bigger more prestigious? You're in the same crappy coach seat surrounded by even more people?! Sounds like it sucks to me.
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting eljonno (Reply 17):

Its a 77L as it has the raked wingtips, although BA don't operate them, only has 4 emergency exits not the 5 each side of the 77W.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 16):
That's a 767 btw

It's really not. Definitely at a 777.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 20):
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 16):
That's a 767 btw

It's really not. Definitely at a 777.

It's 777-200 G-VIIL, probably more likely featured as she's been refitted with New First, WTP and WT, product wise one of the flagships though the ad would have looked better with a Jumbo!
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:59 pm

The problem with the 747, is that many of BA's long haul competitors at LHR have starting withdrawing them already, and are heavily promoting their A380s (SQ, QF, MH etc) so the use of a 747 would suggest BA have older, less advanced planes.The 777 doesn't have that problem, it's a large twin jet that looks like every other large twin jet.
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:06 pm

The 747 doesn't fit on Westminster bridge because of engines 1 and 4 (it would have touched the lamp posts), while the 777's engines are far enough in to clear all obstacles. Also the 747 is too heavy for the bridge on the main landing gear. These are the main reason why they used the 777, the 747 is still the flag ship.

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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):

The 747 doesn't fit on Westminster bridge because of engines 1 and 4 (it would have touched the lamp posts), while the 777's engines are far enough in to clear all obstacles. Also the 747 is too heavy for the bridge on the main landing gear. These are the main reason why they used the 777, the 747 is still the flag ship.

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THAT's what you don't find plausible!!!!

and I prefer the 772 as the flagship a/c
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:25 pm

Looks like they have used G-VIIL, and well done for using a real aircraft ! However the CGI shots have used a B77L model in the computer I suspect, hence the wings. I really appreciate BA using real actual flying machines that young boys might like in adverts again, for years one would not even know it was an airline they were advertising.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 20):

Indeed, I tried to delete the comment but.... spoke too soon.   
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 4):
But the 747 will long be the quintessential BA flagship.

  

Quoting CambridgeFlyer1 (Reply 7):
At the end of the day, the 747 is still a fantastic iconic plane!

  

Agreed completely...of course this is all subjective, but IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747, except the Concorde (and, in the pre-SST/747 days, the 707). And, while the concept may have largely died in modern times, I'd personally like to see a resurgence...but then again, I am more than a bit old-fashioned in this regard    IMHO it's truly a shame that, in this day and age, most people don't care...

And, I have said before and will say again, there is nothing in today's skies more majestic than a BA 747-436, and I will shed real tears when they leave the skies forever...
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting warden145 (Reply 27):
but IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747

Looking at skytrax, nothing says ancient like a B747. It's much better looking than an A380 but is becoming very uncompetitve on many routes against the B77W. Now I am well aware that many of the BA fleet date from the late 90s and are younger than some of the B777s but to Joe Public, it's an old aircraft.

Having said that I rather wish they'd buy the B747-8I.

[Edited 2012-06-19 18:11:02]
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
The biggest aircraft is the most prestigious one and therefore the flag carrier..
Quoting warden145 (Reply 27):
but IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747
BA & AF have the distinction of having a true "flagship" in Concorde. And...just because it's retired doesn't mean that something replaced it as the flagship.

Kind-of like if one said the flagship of WN was the 73G....that wouldn't get very far as they have many of that type, and besides...there's really not something all that special about the type except that it's new.

IMHO, until they have a type truly revolutionary to operate (like Concorde), BA will not really have a "flagship."


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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:16 am

Well their website has been revamped and the pic of the 747 removed, now a 777 on there.
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting b52murph (Reply 29):
Quoting warden145 (Reply 27):
but IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747
BA & AF have the distinction of having a true "flagship" in Concorde. And...just because it's retired doesn't mean that something replaced it as the flagship.

With all due respect, sir, the quote you used from my post was incomplete...I specifically made an exception for the Concorde in my statement.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 27):
IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747, except the Concorde (and, in the pre-SST/747 days, the 707).

 
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Looking at skytrax, nothing says ancient like a B747. It's much better looking than an A380 but is becoming very uncompetitve on many routes against the B77W. Now I am well aware that many of the BA fleet date from the late 90s and are younger than some of the B777s but to Joe Public, it's an old aircraft.

Objectively, I know that you're right, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it...besides, I was stating my opinion; never meant for it to be interpreted as fact.   I know I'm in the minority, but I believe that newer doesn't automatically equal better...

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Having said that I rather wish they'd buy the B747-8I.

   Agreed completely!! I know they have previously ruled it out, but I'm hoping and praying that BA changes its mind...
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:02 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Now I am well aware that many of the BA fleet date from the late 90s and are younger than some of the B777s but to Joe Public, it's an old aircraft.

As has been said many times before the vast majority of passengers have no idea what they are flying on, many who categorically state the type of plane get it wrong. Joe Public hasn't got a clue.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):
As has been said many times before the vast majority of passengers have no idea what they are flying on, many who categorically state the type of plane get it wrong. Joe Public hasn't got a clue.

As where most of us can glance up to an aircraft 6 miles high and say

' oh there goes the 7X7 to XXX....strange...it's a 200 today and not a 300 '

Not sure what that says about us...lol
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
It's 777-200 G-VIIL

It is a very bad photoshop. The wing is a 77L/77W, the body a 772, and has anybody ever seen that bridge empty? Could be used for the nice game "Find the errors in that picture".
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:21 am

For me its still the Concorde which remain on BA's books though loaned to museum's. I shall aways remember arriving at JFK one evening to be greeted by the AF Concorde on the right hand side and the BA Concorde on the left handside as you enter the terminal area. The American airlines must have hated that daily arrangement. So that's it. An aircraft in museums remains the best out there!
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 33):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):As has been said many times before the vast majority of passengers have no idea what they are flying on, many who categorically state the type of plane get it wrong. Joe Public hasn't got a clue.As where most of us can glance up to an aircraft 6 miles high and say ' oh there goes the 7X7 to XXX....strange...it's a 200 today and not a 300 'Not sure what that says about us...lol

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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:55 pm

At the moment BA are short of prestigious aircraft. What they have now are all workhorses.

They were wrong not to have the A380 for this year. And it doesn't say a lot for expected traffic flows for the Olympics.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting b52murph (Reply 29):

That is one of the best Concorde pictures that I have ever seen.

How old is the youngest BA B747 out there? With SQ having their last ever B747 flight recently hitting the news the general public view of the Jumbo is now thinking old, even if LH has a brand new 747-8
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting b52murph (Reply 29):
BA & AF have the distinction of having a true "flagship" in Concorde. And...just because it's retired doesn't mean that something replaced it as the flagship.

So there is a possible alternative to Concorde:


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http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/462993.html

Although it was de-registered in June 2002 (before Concorde) I guess there is a better chance of it taking to the air again.

It was restored in 1978 by Mr Joihn Pierce. He had bought it in 1962 and had withdrawn it from use when it was diisassembled and stored ar CVT at some point.

On restoration it initially wore BEA livery. This reflected the fact that the civil version of the type was operated by BEA including on the Lands End to Scilly Isles route until they retired it in 1964. But 'OE was soon repainted. In October 1979 it was rolled out in the original Negus & Negus BA livery that is pictured above and that it still wears. This was after a contract between Mr Pierce (dba Dragon Aviation) and BA was signed for the aircraft to be used for BA publicity flights.

'OE has served as a commercial airliner but not with BA or its forerunners. It was operated first by Lancashire Airways Corporation (1949 to 1957) and then Silver City Airways (1957-58). Prior to that it had served with the RAF as X7484 from 1942 to December 1947. On demob it had been bought by the Darlington and District Aero Club before being bought by Lancashire Airways.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:42 pm

Quoting grimey (Reply 38):

G-BYGG is the youngest 747 in BA's fleet, delivered in 1999.
 
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RE: British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:20 am

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
They were wrong not to have the A380 for this year

I'm sure they have taken heed of your admonitory advice for any future aircraft orders.

I'm not sure where you're coming from though with 50+ 744's in service, 2 in the desert and the economy on the brink of imploding.

I'm not sure of their delivery committment but I wouldn't be surprised if they follow AF and 'delay' a few A380's.

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
And it doesn't say a lot for expected traffic flows for the Olympics.

Like 1 or 2 A380's would make a difference ?
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