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Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:52 pm

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 62. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* New start-up Airline searching for J31/32 flight crew for Brisbane, Melbourne & Sydney basings
* Fog diversions at Brisbane Airport
* Qantas Sky Interior 737-800s
* Charter Airline JetGo receives its AOC
* VH-OJB departs the Qantas fleet for good
* Virgin Australia releases images of its new A330 cabins, including flat beds in Business Class
* Qantas A380 and 747-400 reconfigurations
* Emirates considering Adelaide
* QantasLink introduces F100 on Brisbane-Emerald services
* Air New Zealand announces it is upgrading AKL-PER services to 772 equipment from September
* Virgin Australia announces extra Australia-Queenstown services for the Winter 2012 season
* Qantas and Virgin Australia launch a domestic Business Class sale
* Air Austral confirms it is suspending Sydney and Noumea services from October 2012
* Virgin Australia announces it will commence services from Brisbane to Mount Isa in AUG
* Sunshine Coast Airport expansion
* Qantas closing Tullamarine (Melbourne) heavy maintenance facility
* Qantas and Jetstar A330s
* Virgin Australia increases flights to Gladstone and QantasLink bases a second 717 in Brisbane
* Qantas and Johannesburg
* Jetstar crewing
* Heavylift 737-400F heads to Melbourne
* Etihad takes a stake in Virgin Australia
* Qantas splits operations in to a Domestic and International Airline with separate CEOs
* Qantas shares fall dramatically amid rumours of a takeover and profit decline
* HSR
* China Southern reportedly to add Cairns to network from November 2012
* Scoot commences services to Sydney and the Gold Coast, discussion about L/Fs
* JQ reportedly commencing nonstop services from Cairns to Singapore later in 2012

Australian Aviation Thread # 61
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:00 pm

* Qantas has quietly dropped its once-weekly 737-800 service from Sydney to Newman. It has been reported that the reason for the flights being pulled is due to extremely poor forward bookings
* QantasLink will commence 1x weekly 717-200 services from Brisbane to Cairns (nonstop) from July 2012. These services will allow QantasLink to rotate 717-200 aircraft through both ports
* Virgin Australia's newest A330-200 VH-XFE touched down in Melbourne tonight, after operating a NONSTOP service from Toulouse, France. Flight time was reportedly 20.5 hours! With the addition of VH-XFE, the number of A330s in the Virgin Australia fleet now stands at 5
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:24 pm

^^ Odd that QF have dropped Newman with so much talk of expanding east coast - WA mining town connections. Add to that the talk of how lucrative the market is meant to be.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:17 pm

Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):

I didn't see this coming. I hope it lasts.

HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:25 pm

Love it! Great news HA! At least its a better airline than VC running the route, plus better connections, hopefully!

However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):
Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

Koruman will be happy....
and will say I told you so lol  in 3, 2, 1...

[Edited 2012-06-19 16:45:03]
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 5):
However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.
Quoting vhqpa (Reply 4):
HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:53 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

Looks like HA are marketing more so to inter-island connections within Hawaii. According to a press release I saw on the emails. I am not sure they would be able to get lots of traffic through. If they timed it better they could have quicker connections to other destinations in Hawaii as well as mainland USA.

People would have to spend at least 1 night in HNL on the return to Australia. Maybe HA are getting a concession from the Hawaiian Government for timing it this way to pump some money into the tourism industry. Does anyone think this is the case?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:50 am

I may have my timings wrong, but wouldn't it have made sense to push the departure back 6-7 hours to allow some connections with US afternoon arrivals?

from USA to HNL

JFK HA 51 15:30
LAS HA 7 13:10
LAX HA 3 14:10
OAK HA 47 12:50
PDX HA 25 14:05
PHX HA 35 11:35
SAN HA 15 13:00
SEA HA 21 13:30
SFO HA 11 12:00
SJC HA 43 13:40
SMF HA 19 12:15

depart HNL 17:30, arrive BNE 23:00+1

depart BNE 00:20, arrive HNL 14:05

departure from HNL to USA

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF


i have left the missed connections in there, as the schedule could move to the left by 2 hours or so.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:41 am

HA have really taken to this expansion game  

Good news for BNE. Will be interesting to see if there are any flow on effects for the SYD services.

Will there be a VA codeshare, given that bothy carriers signed a partnership agreement not too long ago?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:59 am

I'm just relieved that BNE-HNL returns.

I too would have preferred later timings.

It opens up avenues too for nice VA points and status earning. Since abandoning Air NZ I have been splitting my loyalty between QF (JQ Business for HNL) and VA, and have not been able to replicate the previous pattern of bringing my family over in comfort to a stopover point on my way back from US trips.

HNL in Business Class prices out at around $3500 return on VA-issued tickets, and onward DL First Class tickets to the East Coast average around $2200 return.

I like the idea of departing BNE on a Friday at 1835, spending 48 hours at leisure on Oahu (Friday am to Sunday am), then flying onward to my mainland destination.

On the way back, I need to be in HNL by Saturday morning to catch the return flight which returns to BNE on Sunday afternoon. In other words, if I add on one week of annual leave - which I often do anyway, and spend it in San Diego or Newport Beach - a work trip to anywhere in the USA will now be able to include a short outbound and long inbound stopover in Hawaii.

Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

So I'm pretty happy with this.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

K'man - you must be pretty desperate to punish Air NZ if you'd rather fly HA BNE-HNL-PPT (7415 miles), rather than transit AKL (3972 miles). Seems a bit obsessive from my viewpoint on the sideline . . .
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:40 am

Hey guys, I have a question. VH-OEB went on some pretty weird charter flights lately. She went as QF6034. Was someone chartering her? Did she take a south america tour? Going from Fiji to Cuba is a flight I've never heard of.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...4/history/20120617/2230Z/SCIP/YSSY

Thanks! Sorry if it was asked in the earlier thread.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 13):

It's a Captains Choice Tours Charter. They charter QF planes pretty regularly.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:58 am

David, you misunderstand me.

I used to do PPT as an online stopover between Australia and USA/UK, but very few NZ tickets now permit this.

I'm actually about to use HA's HNL-PPT for the first time, as I happened to be in HNL anyway.

I'm not desperate to punish NZ, I'm just past taking detours or paying a premium to fly with them. They have made me more pragmatic and realistic.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:06 pm

JetGo commenced FIFO out of BNE to Osborne mine as well as Townsville.It also operates to Barcaldine from BNE.37 seat ERJ-135 is used.

CNS are getting 3 Transaero charters in Ocober from FUK.777-200 to be used.

BNE has a record 120 QF and Qantaslink departures today according to the BAC movement board.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:31 am

I was down on the gold coast yesterday when I noticed one of the Alliance Air birds was doing low laps over Tweed Heads/Coolangatta on Sunday 01/07. Anyone know what the deal was?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:50 pm

Very exciting times for PER... QR's inaugural service touches down in less than 24 hours! Anyone heading out to the airport to snap a few pictures?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:44 pm

Well done Perth in getting Qatar.

ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Qantaslink to announce a new livery today at BNE as well as opening a new state of the art lounge.

Skytrans innaugral TWB-SYD-TWB yesterday with Dash 8-300 VH-QQM flying the route.One of our members flew on it.

JetGo planning BNE-Cloncurry soon.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:21 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 19):
ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Cheers eaglefarm.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:25 am

Hi,

Some news:

QantasLink opens new boarding gates/lounge in BNE:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantaslink-g...-departure-gate-lounge-at-brisbane

And some positive news for Qantas International:

*During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly.

*SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks.

Hopefully now with QF international having its own dedicated CEO and management more permanent service increases will be looked at.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:38 am

Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning? I heard a sound similar to an A320 but was a little different, sounded like a larger plane, then i saw the 388. I believe the a/c operating was VH-OQK
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:14 am

Looks like the last QF 747-438ER has gone to Avalon for conversion. VH-OEF is now at Avalon.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly

The idea was to grow this to daily service alongside LAN and with QF saying they're getting much more traction using SCL over EZE, this service increase bodes well.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks

Good to see seasonal adjustments come back into the International network. I wonder if they'll pick up Korea again for the Summer like they used to?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 22):
Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning?

It diverted to BNE due QF12 had a double ground turn back in LAX causing a 4.5 hour delay. The crew would have run out of hours if continued to SYD.

All the pax disembarked in BNE and put onto QF8 (QF8 BNE/SYD pax were put onto the QF20.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:20 am

Quote:

Virgin pips Qantas on domestic routes
July 4, 2012 - 2:27PM

Virgin Australia carried more domestic passengers than its rival Qantas over the 12 months to the end of May - a first for the industry’s traditional number two.

Virgin carried 1.42 million domestic passengers in May, it said today, which compared to 1.37 million passengers who flew with Qantas Domestic.

It is not the first time Virgin’s domestic operations have carried more passengers than Qantas in a single month, but Virgin has for the first time outperformed Qantas over a 12-month period.
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In the year to May 31, Virgin carried 15.53 million domestic passengers, compared to Qantas’ 15.49 million domestic passengers.

The Qantas figures do not include passengers who flew with its fully-owned subsidiary Jetstar, which carried 830,000 passengers in May and 9.84 million passengers in the year to May.

CBA analyst Matt Crowe said the numbers were a likely reflection of Qantas’s increased focus on Jetstar’s domestic routes.

‘‘Qantas is moving a lot of passengers from domestic to Jetstar, over that period of time Qantas Domestic has become relatively smaller to Jetstar,’’ he said.

Virgin’s move away from being a low-cost carrier to a corporate flyer may also have contributed to its rise in passenger numbers, Mr Crowe said.

‘‘It wouldn’t be purely business (passengers), but that has been the main initiative that Virgin’s been pursuing in the last 12 months,’’ he said.

Also a factor was Qantas’ fleet grounding in October, which contributed to an 11 per cent drop in domestic passenger numbers in that month.

The number of kilometres travelled by paying Virgin customers remained lower than that of Qantas, but they have grown at a much stronger rate.

Virgin flew 17.63 million revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs) in the year to May, up 7.7 per cent on the previous 12 months. Qantas flew 22.83 million RPKs in the year to May, which was flat compared to the previous 12 months.

Meanwhile, Virgin’s international business posted a 0.3 per cent drop in passenger numbers in the month of May, and in the year to May international passengers dropped 6.2 per cent from the previous year to 2.43 million.

On a total group basis, Virgin Australia carried 17.8 million people in the year to the end of May, compared to Qantas’s 43 million.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/virgi...-20120704-21gsm.html#ixzz1zdUxeLKZ
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:02 am

Qatar Airways is planning an alliance with Qantas Airways, according to ceo Akbar Al Baker.

Interesting! wonder if this puts to rest talks of a possible Qantas/Emirates alliance?

(It was reported by Travel Daily in Australia - have copied as it's a subscription based publication.)


QR flags codeshare alliance with Qantas

Qatar Airways ceo Akbar Al Baker has this afternoon confirmed the Doha-based carrier will seek a strategic partnership with Qantas Airways, with talks planned for next week.

Al Baker told media today at a press conference in Perth that a codeshare pact with Qantas would have twofold benefits, enabling the Australian flag carrier to expand its European network, while QR could increase its options into Australia.

The planned alliance would take into account QR's new Perth service (which launched yesterday and will go daily from 02 Dec) and its two-year-old Melbourne route, as well as possibly tapping into some of QF's Singapore traffic, Al Baker said.

The proposed partnership would cover "joint flights" and placing the QF code on QR metal and vice versa - including QR coding on QF's Australian domestic network, he suggested.

"We have been meeting with Qantas for quite some time" Al Baker said, with further planned talks involving senior Qatar Airways executives at the Qantas headquarters in Sydney next week.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:39 am

would be nice if QF basically just kept flying to LHR and FRA only and QR took on everything else in Europe once they start SYD/BNE/ADL/PER etc - they have a lof 787s, 777s and 350s on order to do it.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 25):

I wonder what impact the industrial action had on these results? I also wonder if QFLink figures are included, given they play a big role on routes like SYD-CBR (which is a high traffic route)...

Quoting cwalt2 (Reply 26):
wonder if this puts to rest talks of a possible Qantas/Emirates alliance?

Talks that were bluntly denied by both carriers, and made no sense anyway?

QR makes the most sense to me...

Quoting tayser (Reply 27):

I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:20 pm

Emirates will begin flights into ADL beginning on the 1st of November 2012 with 4x weekly B777-300ER service. This service looks like it will be direct with no SIN or BKK stopover!

Service goes daily from 1st Feb 2013, or before then if we look at other EK destinations.

Source:
http://www.emirates.com/english/abou...ws/news_detail.aspx?article=914489
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 24):
It diverted to BNE due QF12 had a double ground turn back in LAX causing a 4.5 hour delay. The crew would have run out of hours if continued to SYD.

All the pax disembarked in BNE and put onto QF8 (QF8 BNE/SYD pax were put onto the QF20.

Thanks for that. What a mess though, transfering of pax, but fair enough. Whats your source  ? Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.

With QF eventually taking on B787s SYD-DOH sounds very promising...

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 30):
Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?

Don't quote me but I believe a faulty steering indicator...

Also anyone interested QF's 5th A380 VH-OQE will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it’s scheduled reconfiguration works on the 17th July 2012...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:58 pm

Also, EK will upgrade PER to 19 x weekly from December, and then 3 x daily from March 2013. Exciting times ahead!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:51 pm

From the other thread:

Adelaide

EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045
EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1

4 weekly and later daily with B77W.


Perth

EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
EK423 PER DXB 1530 2225

Third daily service. 5 weekly and later daily with B77W.

The third Perth flight only connects to the small departure bank. But, for those going to lhr/cdg/fra, etc. it might be the preferred time, with a less packed DXB to transfer to.

I honestly think EK would be better off with EK420/421 being an A380, but seeing as the international terminal isn't fully capable, they'd chose the next best option, 3rd daily.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 33):
I honestly think EK would be better off with EK420/421 being an A380, but seeing as the international terminal isn't fully capable, they'd chose the next best option, 3rd daily.

Brad Geatches said that PER will have an A380 gate within 12 months specifically so EK can use the superjumbo on the route. Hopefully they can still maintain 3 x daily flights if this is the case.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:21 pm

Yes well done ADL

SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD has now gone daily with the Thursday arrival into BNE this am.

BNE had a record 672 movements on Tuesday(Webtrak)

Solomons are changing their days ex BNE with a Saturday flight to start next month.Still 4 a week.

Virgin announced a 7th daily BNE-ROK from next month
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
Talks that were bluntly denied by both carriers, and made no sense anyway?

QR makes the most sense to me...

Agreed. QR is smaller and has more to gain from an alliance with QF than EK does. Together they could do a better job of combating EK in the market as well.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.

I'm not so sure. If you leave QF flying to LHR and FRA from SIN and you codeshare with QR to everywhere else then there is probably room for both. Certainly a QF 789 would be an interesting sight in Doha complementing QR services.

Not forgetting that at the moment there are only 14 frequencies available for an Australian Carrier on the SYD/MEL/PER/BNE to Doha route. I'm not sure when additional capacity becomes available.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 30):
Thanks for that. What a mess though, transfering of pax, but fair enough. Whats your source  ? Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?
Quoting EK413 (Reply 31):
Don't quote me but I believe a faulty steering indicator...

Also anyone interested QF's 5th A380 VH-OQE will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it’s scheduled reconfiguration works on the 17th July 2012...







  


As with regard to source, I'd rather keep it to myself
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 37):

Likewise.....

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 37):










As with regard to source, I'd rather keep it to myself

Damn  ! All good, I can understand that!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:10 am

I hear Virgin Australia has ordered the 737MAX

This will dispel the A320 rumours.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:15 am

Yes, It's on Reuters now that Virgin has indeed ordered 23 737 MAX frames for $2.2 Billion USD. And they are still expecting 2013-2016 deliveries of their 738s.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 36):
I'm not so sure. If you leave QF flying to LHR and FRA from SIN and you codeshare with QR to everywhere else then there is probably room for both. Certainly a QF 789 would be an interesting sight in Doha complementing QR services.

I believe that QF needs to focus their strength on one strategy rather than trying to spread things about (they seem to be moving in this direction with cancellations of BKK/HKG-LHR etc), so I don't see SIN and the BA relationship remaining alongside a relationship with QR.

I doubt BA would be too happy about QF routing continental pax through DOH rather than LHR, and there would probably be a significant drop in passenger numbers on the SIN services anyway (ie the loss of most connecting traffic).

At the end of the day though, it's impossible to tell what QF will do. They seem reluctant to commit to a major shift in strategy, but their existing path doesn't seem to be all that promising...

Quoting travelhound (Reply 40):

Hardly a shock, given that they will want to beat QF to the punch as the first operator in Australia. They also use more NB's for longer flights to Asian than QF do, so the additional range will be extremely useful to them...

Do we know when they are expecting them to start arriving?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:00 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 35):
Solomons are changing their days ex BNE with a Saturday flight to start next month.Still 4 a week.

I've heard the current schedule remains with a few adhoc Sat flights to cater to demand for a Pacific Islands festival being held in HIR.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:46 pm

With the announcement by QR 's CEO about the possible agreement with QF, And internal memo was circulated through QF to say that QF does not comment on any corporate alignments and negotiations until a successful outcome is reached.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
I believe that QF needs to focus their strength on one strategy rather than trying to spread things about (they seem to be moving in this direction with cancellations of BKK/HKG-LHR etc), so I don't see SIN and the BA relationship remaining alongside a relationship with QR.

I disagree with that. I think the cancellations at BKK and HKG make sense, but the key problem for QF is access to Continental Europe via non-LHR means. If QR can provide that and give pax choice then it makes sense for QF to adapt their strategy to that. There will still be plenty of people flying to London or who will start or finish their journey with a stop in London to fill their A380's at SIN. But the key is getting access to basically everything to the East of France with 1 stop. If QR can provide that then that puts QF in a much better competitive position.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
I doubt BA would be too happy about QF routing continental pax through DOH rather than LHR, and there would probably be a significant drop in passenger numbers on the SIN services anyway (ie the loss of most connecting traffic).

As I said, I think if anything this could be a good thing. Focus driving LHR and FRA bound pax through SIN while driving everyone else through DOH. Considering the reductions in service that QF has done along with the BA acqusition of BMI I'd say that the loss of QF connecting pax would probably have a marginal effect, at best, for BA. QF, on the other hand, stand to gain significantly in their fight against both EK and SIN in terms of 1 stop services to places like Rome, Athens, Amsterdam, Zurich etc.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
But the key is getting access to basically everything to the East of France with 1 stop. If QR can provide that then that puts QF in a much better competitive position.

What are the FRA loads like? And would QF consider opening a route to either BER or somewhere else with a large AB hub? With QR not operating to SYD, would this be considered relatively soon? The problem with QR is that they don't offer too many destinations east of LHR compared with the other Gulf carriers; to the point that flying into an AB hub and connecting from there could be just as good. And by saying that, would they really need a Gulf airline to partner with?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
The problem with QR is that they don't offer too many destinations east of LHR compared with the other Gulf carriers; to the point that flying into an AB hub and connecting from there could be just as good.

The problem with that is that it's 3 stops to get anywhere beyond Berlin. Whereas on QR it's 1 stop. I see QR destinations of Rome, Venice, Milan, Sofia, Vienna, Berlin, Zagreb, Istanbul, Moscow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm etc where QF could have 1 stop access to instead of 2 stop via LHR under current arrangements.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
With QR not operating to SYD, would this be considered relatively soon?

QR haven't been able to secure the slots they want into Sydney. That's something QF could easily help them with given their large operation at SYD.

They don't have to be as large as the other Gulf Carriers, and for QF that's probably a selling point of an arrangement. Let EK chase market share while QF and QR drive traffic onto each others networks away from them and away from the VA/EY alliance. Again, I can only see Blue Sky for QF under these arrangements. And if it does drive pax away from SIN then let QF re-route an A380 onto SYD-DOH-LHR and bring QR into the arrangement with BA. QR also serves SIN twice a day from DOH so there's also synergies there as well.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
What are the FRA loads like?

Around 10months of the year loads are 85-100%. Business is usually 100% all year round.
It may sound strange but many Passengers connect in Y/C to Ireland, parts of Germany and Eastern Europe.
This flight is very hard to get onto when staff Travelling all year round.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
the key problem for QF is access to Continental Europe via non-LHR means

The number one issue for QF is profitability, not network coverage. I agree that they need to get themselves in a more competitive position if they want to make more money (and this means better coverage of Europe). Using 6 or so aircraft to run 4-5 daily flights from Australian to DOH and a daily tag onto LHR, plus using 3 aircraft to expand North America or Asian or domestically is going to make more money for QF than using 9 aircraft to fly twice daily to LHR and daily to FRA via SIN, plus more resources to open at least 1-2 DOH flights.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
Focus driving LHR and FRA bound pax through SIN while driving everyone else through DOH.

I doubt QR would react positively to QF removing the single largest market on offer from any deal between the two. We would end up seeing QF and QR competiting against each other into LHR, which I think would undermine their relationship quite significantly.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
Considering the reductions in service that QF has done along with the BA acqusition of BMI I'd say that the loss of QF connecting pax would probably have a marginal effect, at best, for BA.

It's not just the connecting traffic that will impact on BA. If QF offers one stop connections to a wide array of Continental cities (and other major UK ports, like MAN) then it is logical to assume that most of the traffic they currently send to these ports via LHR will travel via DOH.

So the flights offered under the QF-BA JV will either see lower loads or cheaper fares (based on the simple concept that demand is the same, but there is a higher level of (more attractive) supply). BA suffers while QF continues to make money off every passenger they send to Europe.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):
bring QR into the arrangement with BA.

I think this would have to be necessary if QF wanted to retain their relationship with BA. But QR and BA are in much tigher competition than QF and QR, given the significant overlap on Europe/Americas-Asia and some Europe-Africa services.

But I wonder why they would bother with BA when QR can offer far more than BA can, and QF stands to make far more profit using the 9 aircraft they currently use to Europe on services to DOH (plus a daily tag to LHR) and expansion in other areas of the network.

I guess I'm just looking for a more radical shift, but at the end of the day, I doubt QF will do anything more than they already have.