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BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:49 pm

http://skyharbor.com/pressreleases/BritishAirwaysAddsFlight.html

You can imagine how happy I am!    

What does this imply, though, for an AA/US Merger?

US Service increases?

More International service?

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:58 pm

Wow its about time! Glad to see it.

Next up? PDX-LHR!

[Edited 2012-06-19 12:06:44]
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:40 pm

Finally! This is great news for PHX. Their one and only trans atlantic flight is obviously doing well. I probably would have preferred to see PHX-FRA open up again, but beggars can't be choosers. 

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:47 pm

I love PHX....Great town!
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:51 pm

Good to know the PHX-LHR fligts is performing well enough to warrant a daily service.

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:27 pm

How many times a week does the PHX-LHR operate? I thought it was already daily.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:35 pm

What is impressive with this route is that at the western end of the route, the city of Phoenix is generating all the traffic. Plenty of it may connect onwards - eastwards - beyond London, but BA have no codeshares or anything at PHX. And in any case they serve DEN with 777s and LAX gets 2-3 747s a day. So everyone flying west is ending their journey in and around Phoenix, and everyone boarding there is at the start of their journey - or Tempe, Tucson, Mesa, Scottsdale, Surprise, Flagstaff etc is as far as they've come. Very good work Phoenix (nice airport btw).
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 5):
How many times a week does the PHX-LHR operate? I thought it was already daily.

I believe it was 6 times weekly prior to this - every day except for Wednesday.
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:40 pm

Good for PHX and BA! There has been lots of talk internally of outsourcing the above-wing operations of BA at PHX (they do actually have their own staff there, while the below-wing is done by Servisair), so I hope that this is a sign that those jobs are here to stay.

Is the route continuing with the 744, or will we see the 777 return to PHX? It wouldn't surprise to see a slight downgauge of equipment if they're going daily.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 5):
How many times a week does the PHX-LHR operate? I thought it was already daily.

Six days a week -- it doesn't operate on Wednesdays.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:45 pm

Its a shame US does not want to start services to Europe from PHX...

I could imagine they would do very well on a PHX-FRA route, providing connections with LH for Europe and further east.

One or two A330's flying to the likes of LHR, CDG and FRA would be very nice!
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):
I love PHX....Great town!

   It is!  I love Phoenix

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 2):
I probably would have preferred to see PHX-FRA open up again, but beggars can't be choosers.

I think it would make sense, especially with an A350/787, because of the codeshare connections possible here in PHX.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 5):
How many times a week does the PHX-LHR operate? I thought it was already daily.

Doesn't operate Wednesday. Lands around 4:50, departs around 8:50.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
So everyone flying west is ending their journey in and around Phoenix, and everyone boarding there is at the start of their journey - or Tempe, Tucson, Mesa, Scottsdale, Surprise, Flagstaff etc is as far as they've come. Very good work Phoenix (nice airport btw).

This city is huge, you'd be surprised when you come by here. You drive for 90 minutes to get clear across town (and it's still expanding.)

And yes the airport is nice   I might begin volunteering as a greeter in T-4 sometime soon  
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
One or two A330's flying to the likes of LHR, CDG and FRA would be very nice!

There have been talks for years to get one of the A330s flying into NRT. The Japanese government would repeatedly give US the slot but they'd never take it. I'd expect a flight soon to NRT if this city continues growing. (There are a lot of Japanese businesses here) But I agree, I see PHX as a future Euro destination soon. Lots of stuff to see and do here too for the tourist  Wink

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 2):
PHX-FRA open up again, but beggars can't be choosers.

I believe LH was going to start the route back up before the housing downfall. Once that happened they changed their minds.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Its a shame US does not want to start services to Europe from PHX...

I think US is eying Asia from PHX and willing to have their hubs back east take to the Eropean routes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
There have been talks for years to get one of the A330s flying into NRT. The Japanese government would repeatedly give US the slot but they'd never take it. I'd expect a flight soon to NRT if this city continues growing. (There are a lot of Japanese businesses here) But I agree, I see PHX as a future Euro destination soon. Lots of stuff to see and do here too for the tourist Wink

I agree

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
This city is huge, you'd be surprised when you come by here. You drive for 90 minutes to get clear across town (and it's still expanding.)

That is the truth. It takes me an 70 to 90 minutes to drive from east Chandler to Goodyear.
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Doesn't operate Wednesday. Lands around 4:50, departs around 8:50.

BA 289 is scheduled into PHX at 5:10 PM and the outbound (flight BA 288) is scheduled out at 7:25 PM. In the winter the flight arrives and departs later.

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:14 pm

IIRC this used to be a daily service a while back. When did it last see daily service? I'm also assuming it will continue as a 744 flight each day rather than return to a 773.
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 13):
I'm also assuming it will continue as a 744 flight each day rather than return to a 773

I was not aware that it was ever a 773. (I assume you mean 77W).
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
I was not aware that it was ever a 773. (I assume you mean 77W).

When the flight was a T7, it was flown on a 772.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 13):
I'm also assuming it will continue as a 744 flight each day rather than return to a 773.

I am assuming it is a 744 each day as well...When was the last time a BA 772 was even in PHX?. I believe the 772 was when SAN and PHX first started back in 1996/97..
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):

I can't imagine if there is a AA US merger. Maybe even 2 flights
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):

There really isn't a need. Especially since there isn't any aircraft avaible. It's just makes sense for US to keep beefing up CLT and PHL
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 13):
IIRC this used to be a daily service a while back. When did it last see daily service?

It was daily from its start in 1996 until about 2005. I believe they cut service to 6x/week when it went from the 772 back to the 744.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
You can imagine how happy I am!

Daily flight makes it one more reason for me to take BA this fall from DEL-PHX. Just what I needed.. Scottsdale here I come! 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
I was not aware that it was ever a 773. (I assume you mean 77W).

The first BA flight to PHX was on 1 July 1996. Back then it was a DC-10 operated with a tag-on (LGW-PHX-SAN-PHX-LGW). Soon (when?) the DC-10 was replaced by a 744.

The 744 flight to PHX and SAN operated until 24 March 2001. On 25 March the tag on was dropped and separate flights were operated with 772s to both PHX and SAN. The flight on 25 March (with no tag on) was operated by 772 G-YMMB. It was temporarrily named "City of Phoenix" and was greeted by the airport';s Fire Department:

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This aircraft retained its name for only just over two weeks. The same aircraft again flew into PHX three months later on the 5th anniversary of BA's inaugural flight to the city. It was again greeted by the Fire Department but was then nameless:

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On 27 October 2002 G-YMMA operated LGW-PHX (BA2289). The flight and aircraft were then transferred to LHR and 'MA operated its return flight as BA288 to LHR that same day.
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On 27 March 2004 the same aircraft operated the last BA 772 LHR-PHX-LHR scheduled rotation. The rotation was operated by 744 G-BNLB on 28 March and has been scheduled to be operated by 744s ever since.

So the development of this rouite has slowed significantly compared to its relatively rapid evolution between 1995 and 2004. No doubt this reflects the difficult economic climate since 2008. However now development has restarted with the upgrade to seven flights a week will there be any future developments? Perhaps the 380? Or a daily 772 and 787? Is a double daily 772 possible? Or even a daily 744 and 787? Or perhaps another operator will strart flights between PHX and Europe and BA will respond by downgrading its operatiuopns on the LHR route?
 
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
This city is huge, you'd be surprised when you come by here. You drive for 90 minutes to get clear across town (and it's still expanding.)

I was really wondering when I was landing in PHX. I looked out the window and I just kept seeing city, more city, and some more city. I didn't know if it was all Phoenix or if it was other towns.

But congrats to BA and PHX for finally getting daily Euro service!
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:23 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 22):
I was really wondering when I was landing in PHX. I looked out the window and I just kept seeing city, more city, and some more city. I didn't know if it was all Phoenix or if it was other towns.

Phoenix is huge, and can grow because of the endless desert around it, and there are already many suburbs around the city all of which from the air look like one big city....
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):

What does this imply, though, for an AA/US Merger?

Nothing.

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
There have been talks for years to get one of the A330s flying into NRT. The Japanese government would repeatedly give US the slot but they'd never take it. I'd expect a flight soon to NRT if this city continues growing. (There are a lot of Japanese businesses here) But I agree, I see PHX as a future Euro destination soon. Lots of stuff to see and do here too for the tourist  

Congrats for the city of PHX. I hope more international routes are to follow.

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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:59 pm

I'm very glad the frequency is going up from 6x weekly to daily. Many times I had to travel on that one missing day.

I also see another European airline starting service to PHX. The flights I've been on have been packed with people from India and Europe, especially Germans and Dutchmen. I know tons of Dutch people who have been on trips bringing them to places around SFO/LAS/PHX/LAX in recent years and you see advertisements for trips like these all over the place nowadays. I hope KLM would give it a go but Lufthansa makes more sense as it would give connecting opportunities at both ends.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 21):
However now development has restarted with the upgrade to seven flights a week will there be any future developments? Perhaps the 380? Or a daily 772 and 787? Is a double daily 772 possible? Or even a daily 744 and 787? Or perhaps another operator will strart flights between PHX and Europe and BA will respond by downgrading its operatiuopns on the LHR route? (thanks BTW for the history lesson   )

All of the terminals at PHX just have a single-jetway layout per gate, which means if PHX wants a larger airplane (I'm surprised they can accommodate the 744 in the first place!) they have to upgrade the gates. There have been talks of doing so, they just gotta get city approval. I'm sure the city, given the right incentives from airlines (   ) would probably do that. The more this city grows, as I keep saying, the more opportunities. I'm surprised that LA hasn't had a flight here yet, given the city's high population from central and south America.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 22):
I was really wondering when I was landing in PHX. I looked out the window and I just kept seeing city, more city, and some more city. I didn't know if it was all Phoenix or if it was other towns.


If you come in on approach from the east or southeast, you're most likely flying over Scottsdale, Fountain Hills, Mesa, and Tempe. If from the west, you're flying over Glendale, Buckeye, and Avondale. Phoenix itself is stretched from north to south, sort-of terminating south of the airport around South Mountain and Estrella Mountain.

As you can see, there are a lot of suburbs here.....Mesa itself has a larger population than major cities like Miami, St. Louis, Cincinnati, etc.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
I'm surprised that LA hasn't had a flight here yet, given the city's high population from central and south America.

The South American community in Phoenix is tiny. Phoenix's Hispanic population is well over 90% Mexican. Only El Paso, San Antonio, and San Diego have a more Mexican top heavy Hispanic population out all metro areas with more than 500k Hispanics.

To illistrate, Ill use 2011's immigration numbers as an example. The Phoenix Metro area (including Scottsdale, Mesa, Glendale, etc.) gained 5,485 immigrants from Mexico, Central America, and South America. Of those, 358 were from all of South America, 655 were from Central America, and 4,472 were from Mexico. Those are just numbers from those born in another country.

The largest immigrant group from Central America to Phoenix is El Salvador with an average of 93 immigrants per year. The largest immigrant group to Phoenix from South America is Peru with an average of 70 immigrants per year.

If anything maybe TA will start a flight. LA, not a chance.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Its a shame US does not want to start services to Europe from PHX...

They do actually, but there's not enough A332s yet to start it (not to mention crew issues).

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 11):
I think US is eying Asia from PHX

In a recent newsletter, Kirby said they were looking at (in order) LHR, FRA, and NRT. I was shocked that LHR would come before FRA, given the *A connections... of course, that could be assuming that the AA merger actually happens.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 22):

I was really wondering when I was landing in PHX. I looked out the window and I just kept seeing city, more city, and some more city. I didn't know if it was all Phoenix or if it was other towns.

Approaching from the east, Phoenix starts at SR143 (48th Street, roughly), less than a mile from the runway.
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RE: BA LHR-PHX To Become Daily

Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 29):
In a recent newsletter, Kirby said they were looking at (in order) LHR, FRA, and NRT. I was shocked that LHR would come before FRA, given the *A connections... of course, that could be assuming that the AA merger actually happens.

They've been saying that LHR would be first for a few years now. It's the nature of the transatlantic market from Phoenix and has nothing to do with any rumored merger. London can command higher prices and probably draws a lot more of local business traffic than Frankfurt would. That's not to say that both wouldn't work eventually, but the fact that any long-haul route from PHX would tie up multiple aircraft means that US is going to be way more cautious entering a marginally profitable market when there are better opportunities out there.
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