SCL767
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Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:16 pm

The LATAM alliance decision will be confirmed within the next six to twelve months. It's interesting to note that while LAN stays in oneworld; TAM may operate as an unaligned carrier for an unknown period of time.

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The chief of LAN’s international division, Damian Scokin, told CAPA at last week’s IATA AGM in Beijing that LATAM expects to make an alliance decision in the next six to 12 months...Mr Scokin confirms that having LAN stay in oneworld while having TAM become unaligned is an option now being reviewed by LATAM. This scenario could be attractive as it could allow TAM to continue codesharing with the over 10 Star members serving Brazil. Joining oneworld could force TAM to end these relationships but it is also possible for TAM to broker carve outs as part of a deal for joining oneworld, something oneworld would likely agree to given the value TAM would add if it became a member.
Avianca-TACA and Copa put Star on top in Latin America but the victory will be short-lived
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:37 am

A rather drawn out process but no big surprise given they were supposed to have made a decision back in April.

Serving as an unaligned carrier would also let TAM begin codesharing with OW members, specifically AA since they are ending their codeshare agreement with GOL in August this year.

I wonder if any of this timing has to do with trying to delay the decision long enough for US-Brasil open skies to go into full effect so AA/TAM won't have to give up any GRU/GIG landing slots?
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 1):
Serving as an unaligned carrier would also let TAM begin codesharing with OW members, specifically AA since they are ending their codeshare agreement with GOL in August this year.

The last line of the statement is very interesting. AA was forced to discontinue code-sharing with G3 due to Delta's investment in GOL. Besides, does AA really need to code-share with TAM since AA serves seven destinations with-in Brazil and plans on adding two more new destinations? Regardless, TAM and AA will be competing heavily on most routes between the U.S. and Brazil. AA will deploy their B77Ws to Brazil, and TAM will deploy their B77Ws to MIA...
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
The last line of the statement is very interesting. AA was forced to discontinue code-sharing with G3 due to Delta's investment in GOL. Besides, does AA really need to code-share with TAM since AA serves seven destinations with-in Brazil and plans on adding two more new destinations? Regardless, TAM and AA will be competing heavily on most routes between the U.S. and Brazil. AA will deploy their B77Ws to Brazil, and TAM will deploy their B77Ws to MIA...

YES they each need feed at the foreign end. While they compete between JFK & MIA and GIG & GRU they need feed from the other, in Brazil AA from TAM and in the USA TAM from AA. Brazil is a vast country and TAM flies to many remote areas away from the "Capitol" cities. AA will never be able to cover Brazil like TAM or that other internartional airline that blankets the country, TAP Air Portugal.
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:02 pm

oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld!!!!! I hope oneworld does not let this one slide!!!!! :O
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 4):
oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld, oneworld!!!!! I hope oneworld does not let this one slide!!!!! :O

TAM will leave the Star Alliance and will most likely end its code-share agreements with those alliance members soon:
LAN And TAM Launch Latam Airlines Group S.A. (by SCL767 Jun 22 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:48 pm

TAM will not remain in Star for 6-12 months! This is impossible, now that AV/TA is now part of Star Alliance too!
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:34 pm

If TAM joins oneworld than of course code sharing with AA (and everyone else in the alliance) will be part of the deal. As an independent, I'm not so sure they will jump back in bed with AA. I happen to know that they were not terribly happy with that arrangement when they had it a few years ago. I'm not sure of the specifics but the feeling went very high up the management chain.
 
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RE: Latam Plans To Decide On Alliance In 6-12 Months

Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:56 pm

The question I still have is ATI between AA and JJ. Can they apply before 2015 in anticipation of the open skies implementation, or do they have to wait until the treaty is in effect?


If granted, all arguments about competition between the two will become irrelevant.
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