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Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:54 am

Starting on the 12th Aug, the 4-weekly service will be operated by the 343. An additional 3x weekly frequencies will be added from 3rd Sep for a daily service. The 332 will replace the 343 from the 28th Oct.

Timings:

DXB-EBL: 0430-0630
EBL-DXB: 0800-1140

Source: http://www.theeksource.com/emirates-launch-erbil-service/

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Good to see another Iraqi destination enter EK's network after BGW and BSR.

[Edited 2012-06-22 00:55:25]
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:33 pm

They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route. Key markets will be Germany and UK mainly followed by GCC/Australia and BKK.

I guess now with Iraq and Tehran nicely settled into EK's route network, we should expect to see frequency increases to Copenhagen + Stockholm added by Summer 2013 or maybe even earlier.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route. Key markets will be Germany and UK mainly followed by GCC/Australia and BKK.

I know this might be coming from just an aviation enthusiast, but I think that unless EK is going after VFR traffic from Iraqi immigrants to Western Europe (which is more price sensitive and less interested in flight times), such a detour is unacceptable. Especially for a businessman flying FRA-EBL or LHR-EBL via DXB, this is 85-100% longer, plus connection times. In fact, they will be flying straight above their destination en route to DXB. But of course, for someone flying PEK-EBL or SIN-EBL, this becomes negligible.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route.

Not sure about that. Erbil already has quite a bit of European service, and from major carriers - Lufthansa, Turkish, Austrian, Air Berlin. They also have plenty of competition regionally too - Etihad, flyDubai, Qatar, Royal Jordanian.

Curious to see if they succeed...I'm almost wondering if they're too late to the party, with too big of an aircraft.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:05 pm

The main traffic is European based Iraqi immigrants as that would constitute a bulk of the target market segments. Same case is with QR/TK. The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):
The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!

In relation to the nonstop or most direct route, I think the deviation to Erbil is much longer on a percentage basis.

Example:
LHR-IST-EBL 2125 nm
LHR-DXB-EBL 3855 nm

That's 82% further. I don't think any of the other routes you mention have anywhere close to that much deviation. Two examples:

LHR-JNB 4884 nm
LHR-DXB-JNB 6422 nm (31% further)

LAX-ATL-JNB (probably the shortest route) 9025 nm
LAX-DXB-JNB 10,696 nm (18% further)

If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:22 am

Hi!

My ancestry is from the North of Iraq and I still have some people I talk to there. I don't really know much about it but I was talking online to a woman from there a while ago who was trying to come to the UK for a break and she said she has to go to Jordan first to get a visa to fly from there. Maybe with more airlines flying there they will get more embassies in the North. I wonder if Emirates and the other airlines make a good profit flying there. Like I said I don't really know much about it though.

Many thanks,

Pierre
 
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.

Absolutely, tie this up with a hugely diverse fleet that needs rationalising, its a perfect caricature of an airline that has got its undies in a suffocating TWIST.
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RE: Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil

Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:21 pm

As a new frequent flyer to Erbil from Dubai, I can attest to this route being quite popular with Flydubai flights regularly full. Dubai has a lot of O&D traffic to Erbil and I have sometimes used Etihad as a stop gap depending on the availability of Flydubai seats.

Erbil is positively exploding out of the ground with the amount of exploration companies now moving in and the relative safety of Erbil. A lot of companies using Erbil as a staging point for work south of the Arab/Kurdish border not too mention the requirement for workers in Kurdistan, further strengthening the demand for flights. Freight would be a key driver for EK starting additional services into Erbil to i am guessing to supplement the already regular freighters flying in.

The timings of flights are a little odd as they dont seem to connect to any major waves of traffic in/out of Dubai