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WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:55 am

Well on vacation flew FL into SJU today while standing in the jetways waiting for my inlaws to deplane.
I struck up a conversation with the FL SJU agent.
Asked about any good rumors about WN and SJU.
The rumors are WN will have 6 gates at SJU.
WN will have service by year end 2012.
ADD service to MDW,DEN,HOU,STL,BUF,ISP, seasonal ALB,PVD and MHT.
30 flts a day and will become south American connection hub.
He said WN will also have a small MX base there.
He seemed really really excited to The forecast growth.
Wnfg   time for some rum ...
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
,HOU,

Make sure UA doesn't find out! 

This is awesome! I was wondering when WN was going to make a move in the Caribbean! I wonder how B9 will react to this...
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:10 am

Boy, you're on a roll with the rumors lately  !

6 gates, 30+ flights, flights to South America & a maintenance base -- at an airport they currently do not serve (excluding service via FL)?   Instead of swapping those 717 for DL 738, as rumored, maybe they should opt for 747 instead  .
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:11 am

DEN-SJU is 2,733 miles... doubt that route will materialize.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
,HOU,

Make sure UA doesn't find out!

Why...SJU is domestic the proposed international gates at HOU that UA is against are irrelevant.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
This is awesome! I was wondering when WN was going to make a move in the Caribbean! I wonder how B9 will react to this...

As B6 has lower costs than WN I would guess probably by kicking WNs but  

I would also be very leery of the OPs rumor...employees are almost always the last to know....
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:33 am

LOL

Asking a gate agent what HQ is planning is like asking Riley Martin about the future. Entertaining but nothing of substance.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
I would also be very leery of the OPs rumor...employees are almost always the last to know....

Yet somehow several seem to come true on here as well. Take everything with a grain of salt and then extend kudos to those that nail one.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:39 am

Well, time to cancel some 737 orders and hop on the 788  
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:39 am

"Well on vacation flew FL into SJU today while standing in the jetways waiting for my inlaws to deplane.
I struck up a conversation with the FL SJU agent.
Asked about any good rumors about WN and SJU.
The rumors are WN will have 6 gates at SJU.
WN will have service by year end 2012.
ADD service to MDW,DEN,HOU,STL,BUF,ISP, seasonal ALB,PVD and MHT.
30 flts a day and will become south American connection hub.
He said WN will also have a small MX base there.
He seemed really really excited to The forecast growth.
Wnfg time for some rum ..."

What a pipe dream.

ISP-SJU? Almost laughable
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 6):
Yet somehow several seem to come true on here as well. Take everything with a grain of salt and then extend kudos to those that nail one.

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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Wnfg   time for some rum ...

I'm sure the person that told you :

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
Well on vacation flew FL into SJU today while standing in the jetways waiting for my inlaws to deplane.
I struck up a conversation with the FL SJU agent.
Asked about any good rumors about WN and SJU.
The rumors are WN will have 6 gates at SJU.
WN will have service by year end 2012.
ADD service to MDW,DEN,HOU,STL,BUF,ISP, seasonal ALB,PVD and MHT.
30 flts a day and will become south American connection hub.
He said WN will also have a small MX base there.

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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:58 am

While I dont doubt that WN will be in SJU the time for a service announcemnet for a date that quick is fast approching its almost july. I wouldnt see more than a handful of flights to start though. WN never starts anything that huge. Id say MCO for sure. HOU to piss off UA. I dont see LAS but perhaps PHX. Well see. . . I know cargo already has an old AA facility staked out.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:03 am

These are the most crazy WN r umors I have heard especially the SJU S. America stuff. Guess the sun is getting to those ramp agents.....and I guess you did ask him for rumors so he obliged.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):
ISP-SJU? Almost laughable

I have faith in ISP. It was recently classified as an official New York City airport and was supposed to be seeing an increase in service. If this route is started, will it be operated by a -700 or an -800?

BTW..... I am partially biased given that ISP is my local airport, but I still have legitamate faith that the airport can support itself.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:07 am

Considering the WN flight attendants just voted down a TA which allowed WN to fly outside the lower 48 I don't think it's going to happen in 2012. The pilots are in the same boat. Both work groups must reach another TA with WN and get approval of the membership.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:07 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 8):

I fell out of my chair when I saw ISP. You no what is even funnier... DEN. You can dream about it bit it ain't happing
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:23 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 14):
Considering the WN flight attendants just voted down a TA which allowed WN to fly outside the lower 48 I don't think it's going to happen in 2012. The pilots are in the same boat. Both work groups must reach another TA with WN and get approval of the membership.

Last I checked the FAs are the last group that need to approve it now.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:56 am

The Pilots voted in favor of their side letter. The Flight Attendant union opened up another international/over-water survey for Flight Attendants today, but it is only open for 10 days, so I would imagine they will start another round of negotiations soon.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:13 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
WN will have service by year end 2012.

I doubt it. Seems too soon.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:28 am

As stated earlier, DEN-SJU is quite a haul, and I doubt there is enough traffic to support it. SJU-ISP/EWR/LGA makes sense given the large Puerto Rican population in the NYC area. I would also expect to see SJU-BWI, SJU-BNA, and possibly SJU-FLL and SJU-HOU. That should be enough to keep about three gates busy.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Although I think most of the OP's post is a pipe dream, not all the cities listed are ridiculous. Seems to me ISP would be a good candidate for SJU service once WN is finally there. It's an existing station in a highly-populated region whose populace has a propensity to fly to places like SJU for vacations.

Is the ridicule of listing ISP due to its proximity to EWR? In other words, do most people think if there were to be NYC-area flights to SJU on WN, that they would most likely come from EWR instead of ISP?
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
Why...SJU is domestic the proposed international gates at HOU that UA is against are irrelevant.

WN would need FIS at SJU for all the S America flights the OP indicated was part of his conversation with the WN employee.

I always chat up airline personal whenever possible, even my nurse in the hospital during my recouping from spinal fusion surgery, Her husband was 1 or 2 seniority at PDX for FA's with AS, She told me some things last year that came true this year. I'd say anything is possible, no matter how unlikely.

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 19):
and possibly SJU-FLL

Going ruff neck head to head with NK, I'm not so sure about this one. I can't see WN taking on that kind of bloodbath, which is why I see little future for FLL with NK being the "ants at the picnic" there right now, good airport to fly in and out of.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 20):

Is the ridicule of listing ISP due to its proximity to EWR? In other words, do most people think if there were to be NYC-area flights to SJU on WN, that they would most likely come from EWR instead of ISP?

EWR would probably be a bit more likely to work than ISP however that would require WN to either find an additional slot or relocate one of its existing ones to SJU service. I don't think non-stop WN service to SJU from NYC is likely at this point as there are better uses for WNs slots at EWR....

Assuming that WN continues to fly to to SJU post FL ATL, MCO/FLL and BWI are likely their best bets. Passengers traveling on to other destinations can connect through one of those non-hub hubs (   ) and continue their journey.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 21):

Going ruff neck head to head with NK, I'm not so sure about this one. I can't see WN taking on that kind of bloodbath, which is why I see little future for FLL with NK being the "ants at the picnic" there right now, good airport to fly in and out of.

Although I respect NK for at least sticking to a business plan and figuring out how to make money, I dont think WN is afraid to compete
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 21):
WN would need FIS at SJU for all the S America flights the OP indicated was part of his conversation with the WN employee.

Yes, and SJU has a FIS already btw...but I was responding to another poster stating don't let UA find out about HOU...as SJU to HOU is domestic FIS is not required and WN could have entered that market anytime that they chose in the past 30+ years.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 19):
SJU-ISP/EWR/LGA makes sense given the large Puerto Rican population in the NYC area.

WN wouldn't stand a chance against B6

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 19):
I would also expect to see SJU-BWI, SJU-BNA, and possibly SJU-FLL and SJU-HOU.

FL already flies BWI and FLL, although again, FLL against NK and B6 sounds like a disaster for WN
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 24):
Yes, and SJU has a FIS already btw...but I was responding to another poster stating don't let UA find out about HOU...as SJU to HOU is domestic FIS is not required and WN could have entered that market anytime that they chose in the past 30+ years.

OK, I get it, my bad. I still think if true, it's amazingly ambitious of WN to pick SJU for a large operation. It didn't seem like AA was successful at SJU for a hub, why would it work differently for WN?
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:09 pm

Personally I think SJU should have been added years ago when Florida service was started.
Also I see the stuff I was told as more of a long term plan for SJU.
And I don't expect anything overnight. But I can see taking over a few flights from FL around Nov or Dec 2012.
That is still far enough for WN network planning to hold of some AC for future flying.
Any new WN flying in Nov or Dec would have to be announced I think by Sep to give at least 3mo of sale.
But with WN taking over FL flying market by market FL already has seats sold that would just be transfer over to WN.
Right now the TWU 556 have a survey out to its membership on what where the sticking points on the side letter.
Rumor is WN wants another side letter like the pilots just to address red eye and SJU flying now to speed up planned short term FL merging ATL domestic flying now.
Then that gives both sides time to address another side letter before Alaska, Hawaii Etops and international flying some time next year or the future.
Now it's time to shower off this rum hang over and be a tourist in old SJU anyone have any inside scoop on where to get great local PUERTO RICAN food plz message me info thanks ...WNFG 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 26):
I still think if true, it's amazingly ambitious of WN to pick SJU for a large operation. It didn't seem like AA was successful at SJU for a hub, why would it work differently for WN?

I don't think it will work which is why I don't put much stock in this particular rumor.

Quoting JONC777 (Reply 23):
I dont think WN is afraid to compete

I don't think they are afraid to compete but nor are they suicidal....going against B6 and NK is a recipe for disaster.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
DEN-SJU is 2,733 miles... doubt that route will materialize.

Still within range of the 737. If AA could fly SJU-LAX nonstop once a week, I don't see why WN can't fly SJU-DEN, whether nonstop or via another airport.

SJU-HOU/MCO/MDW are the likely routes.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:32 pm

What about TPA? B6 and FL operate the route already. All that would be required would be to change the planes from FL metal to WN metal. I don't know how 4 flights a day from TPA to SJO can be profitable, but hey, what do I know?
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 29):
Still within range of the 737. If AA could fly SJU-LAX nonstop once a week, I don't see why WN can't fly SJU-DEN, whether nonstop or via another airport.



I think the point he's making is that it's a very long route to operate on low fares. Personally, I don't see it happening either.

But seriously, ISP???...
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):
But seriously, ISP???...

ISP has the potential. Being a long-islander myself, I can tell you that there is a very large Puerto Rican population plus all the vacationers who would much rather travel out of Islip, instead of going all the way into the city to fly out of JFK or EWR. Plus, SWA is a very popular amongst Long Islanders for the reasons I just gave.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):

As a long islander (say it with the accent. ;P) I would fly out of ISP if the price is right. I wish SW would make ISP bigger I can definitely see it working.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):
ISP has the potential. Being a long-islander myself, I can tell you that there is a very large Puerto Rican population plus all the vacationers who would much rather travel out of Islip, instead of going all the way into the city to fly out of JFK or EWR

WN was in ISP before B6 ever showed up; people have voted with their feet and wallets. They prefer JFK/LGA.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):
WN was in ISP before B6 ever showed up; people have voted with their feet and wallets. They prefer JFK/LGA.



I mean if they said BDL I would give it more credence as Hartford, from what i've been told, has the highest concentration of Puerto Ricans on the east coast.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:18 pm

ISP-SJU would do fine, especially if they tagged it to another NE destination like BOS or BUF. There is a huge Boricua population on LI that they could tap into. That said, much of the rest of this list is laughable. SJU-DEN?? There is little demand for flights to the Caribbean from the yexas and states west of it. Most of VFR traffic is on the East Coast/Midwest and Western vacationers are much more likely to go to Hawaii or Mexico that the Caribbean. I could see WN continuing the flights to MCO, ATL, BWI and adding flights to MDW, HOU and maybe some seasonal flights to PVD or ISP. That is it.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:53 pm

I hope the rumors are true and I wouldn't be surprised because they are cities that classical AA own for traffic to SJU. Go WN! Call me naive, but I hope it goes down! AA is perfectly vulnerable to take a hit from it.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter):
ADD service to MDW,DEN,HOU,STL,BUF,ISP, seasonal ALB,PVD and MHT.

SJU-BUF sounds nice. Any idea when WN will be coming to ROC?
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:47 pm

Guys, WN is down to less than 20 flights at ISP from a high of 40+ at one point.

I'd be less surprised if I heard a rumor that ISP was closing altogether than I am by the supposed ISP-SJU route.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:54 pm

This all sounds nice...BUT you have to have a value oriented vacation destination to fill all those planes..and unfortunatly, right now SJU is NOT it. Dominican Republic and other Caribbean destinations seem to be a better value for those seeking a vacation in that area. I don't see the economy improving that much to motivate that many people to fill (profitably) that many flights per day/ week.

Maybe 5 or 6 flights to a few select existing station..ok..combined with FL. Like it or not, AA has a significant loyal business base on PR..most of those folks TEND to fly AA.

With a lower cost structure coming I don't see them (AA) just rolling over totally in SJU.
 
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:51 pm

Gate agents come up with all sorts of crazy rumors, half of those cities won't materialize anytime soon. When WN enters the market they will serve destination with high O&D or were they have big ops. For example BWI, MCO, TPA, MDW, HOU anf FLL - some of these are already FL routes.

Loyalty to AA in Puerto Rico- a lot of it has been lost. Many people have jumped ship to other airlines particularly JetBlue who offers better fares and a better onboard experience. Not much lost love between Puerto Ricans and AA, we flew them because at one point they were the biggest game in town not because the islanders thought they were awesome. AA no longer is the biggest game in town in SJU so their share of the pot has signigicantly gone down here in SJU.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 14):
Considering the WN flight attendants just voted down a TA which allowed WN to fly outside the lower 48 I don't think it's going to happen in 2012. The pilots are in the same boat. Both work groups must reach another TA with WN and get approval of the membership.

Pilots passed ETOPS flying and Near International and it was announced on JUN 13, 2012.

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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):

Probably something like SJU-MCO or TPA-DAL-DEN. I feel we should use FLL as a hub to Latin America or better yet, we should colonize MIA and give AA a run for their money. Though it's Jurassic concourse G beckons at MIA. Last year there was a lot of rumors that were getting hot that we (WN) would get 4 to 8 gates out of MIA. One can only hope. But WN in SJU would be cool along with our FL flights. How about MDW-SJU?
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 40):
This all sounds nice...BUT you have to have a value oriented vacation destination to fill all those planes..and unfortunatly, right now SJU is NOT it. Dominican Republic and other Caribbean destinations seem to be a better value for those seeking a vacation in that area. I don't see the economy improving that much to motivate that many people to fill (profitably) that many flights per day/ week.

True that. With the Peso as low as it is, Americans seem to be flocking to SJU.
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 44):
With the Peso as low as it is, Americans seem to be flocking to SJU.

Something is wrong with this sentence - no Pesos in SJU . . .
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RE: WN In SJU Update.

Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45):
Something is wrong with this sentence - no Pesos in SJU . . .

I think he meant PUJ.

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