southwest737500
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WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:44 am

1. Someone told me on anet that WN will be announcing service to(on AUG 12). CLT with there own metal.
2. What possible routes and equipment ( probably a 737-700)

I think they will add...
MDW 2
STL2
DEN or LAS 1
MCO 2

AirTran has 4 flights to ATL 3 to BWI 1 to MCO which ironically ends on the day they will announce service(supposedly)
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
WN will be announcing service to(on AUG 12). CLT with there own metal.

Are you saying service is set to commence on 8/12 or is being announced on 8/12?

I'm a little wary about about this. If it was supposed to start on 8/12/12 (the same day as ATL-ORF/SDF), it wold have probably been announced in January 2012 as those two routes were. There is a slight possibility that CLT will be announced with the next schedule extension next month, but even still, that would have CLT service starting in January 2013.

As for routes, you'll most likely see the typical WN destination: MDW, BWI, HOU, and MCO. Possibly STL, LAS, TPA, and BNA. Definitely nothing too large at first, they don't want another battle against US in one of US' entrenched hubs.
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:22 pm

GSP is currently getting everything in the WN fleet, except the new -800's of course. I would expect the same at CLT. Routes are really anyone's guess. Seeing that WN is selling FL's 717s to DL, I would expect routes like BWI to be operated as WN on their 737s sooner rather than later.
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:28 pm

BWI will convert from FL to WN

BWI -3
MDW-3
DEN-1
MCO-1
HOU-2
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 1):

As for routes, you'll most likely see the typical WN destination: MDW, BWI, HOU, and MCO. Possibly STL, LAS, TPA, and BNA. Definitely nothing too large at first, they don't want another battle against US in one of US' entrenched hubs

Unless US is looking at the merged map of AA/US. As some say here CLT would be a casualty of a merger. Not my opinion, but who knows what the mucky mucks are thinking, maybe with their attentions turned towards a merged AA/US WN may sneak in like a ninja and take a little market share with their trademark low fares and that award winning WN spirit.
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
As some say here CLT would be a casualty of a merger. Not my opinion

Not mine, either. The proposed combined carrier will still NEED a hub in the Southeast. MIA is a minimal hub for most folks in the Southeast - it's more of a funnel for its Latin American flights.
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
Not mine, either. The proposed combined carrier will still NEED a hub in the Southeast. MIA is a minimal hub for most folks in the Southeast - it's more of a funnel for its Latin American flights.

Agreed 100%, CLT is a great place to hub, milder weather, good facility, US would be fools to leave. But I do have to wonder what hub city would really go, isn't how these things work? The carrier promises everything will be the same, then 6-12 months later hubs disappear, cities slashed, routes abandoned as they "streamline"?
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
BWI will convert from FL to WN

BWI -3
MDW-3
DEN-1
MCO-1
HOU-2

No ATL?

WN would probably need to beef up CLT-BWI which is only 3x on FL. Over on WN, they fly 7x on RDU-BWI. At 3x, it's likely not sufficient to serve a larger market and be competitive against US and another carriers. CLT is also a longer drive to the WAS area than RDU or PIT is to the WAS area. My guess is they have both FL and WN flying CLT-BWI before all of the flights are on WN.

WN hasn't converted BWI like MKE, leaving just ATL service, as FL at BWI has Carribean offerings, and cities like ROC and PWM connected nortthbound without WN yet.

It's strange to me that when I look at fares like BWI-ATL, where both FL and WN are flying it now, FL fares are the same and not lower. I realize that FL is on the search engines and WN isn't and connection choices would be different too, so that's different, but what would be the benefit of paying more to fly FL in economy, and have bag fees, change fees, less legroom and a hassle to convert points over to RR for the O&D that fly the route. Pax are likely doing so (otherwise the FL flights would be a little lower in fares), maybe unaware WN is flying the route too.
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:39 pm

CLT is one of the cities getting outsourced ramp so I doubt we'll be seeing much growth there anytime soon.
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 7):
WN would probably need to beef up CLT-BWI which is only 3x on FL. Over on WN, they fly 7x on RDU-BWI.

There is no US on RDU-BWI. WN cannot compete by dumping capacity like they use to.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 7):
No ATL?

Not if WN's plan is ATL as a OD market only.
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 1):

They will announce
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):

They would probably add nashville instead of ATL
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:11 am

I'm saying August 12 is the day they will announce service not start
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6):

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 5):
Not mine, either. The proposed combined carrier will still NEED a hub in the Southeast. MIA is a minimal hub for most folks in the Southeast - it's more of a funnel for its Latin American flights.

Agreed 100%, CLT is a great place to hub, milder weather, good facility, US would be fools to leave. But I do have to wonder what hub city would really go, isn't how these things work? The carrier promises everything will be the same, then 6-12 months later hubs disappear, cities slashed, routes abandoned as they "streamline"?

And this is where AA goes and reopens the RDU hub and says we were just kidding when we said we were cutting capacity DL 
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 8):
CLT is one of the cities getting outsourced ramp so I doubt we'll be seeing much growth there anytime soon.




Not yet it's not??? Still has to be voted on by the WN rampers. As of right now, no agreements have been made as to the use of contract workers anywhere concerning ramp folks. I really don't know how they will vote, but it does have to be voted on. To the best of my knowledge no ramp work (except fueling) has ever been contracted. I hope they don't give it up like we did on the fueling and pushing here in DAL. (fortunately 1/2 of it was to our own employees).

I know i'll get some grief on this but it is my opinion that WN employees do a better job then a non-interested contractor.
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 14):
but it is my opinion that WN employees do a better job then a non-interested contractor.


I agree with you on that, and Herb learned that lesson when WN first opened LAX. Unfortunately the ground side gave that up in their last contract, and they are trying to get it back in this one. I had Mike Van de Ven on the jumpseat shortly after WN signed the last contract with ground side. He said that since WN could use contract people at new stations WN could be profitable with 4 flights, instead of 8. With those numbers I think it will be hard to get not using contract workers back. Hopefully it won't spread to the old/current cities.
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 14):
Still has to be voted on by the WN rampers. As of right now, no agreements have been made as to the use of contract workers anywhere concerning ramp folks. I really don't know how they will vote, but it does have to be voted on.

This does not have to voted on by the ramp workers. Their contract already allows those station not already on the WN route map to be contracted out if there is few than 12 flights a day.



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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:25 am

I think CHI, ATL, ORL, HOU, BAL, LAS, DEN, PHX, STL
 
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RE: WN Possible Routes From CLT

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:26 am

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 15):
He said that since WN could use contract people at new stations WN could be profitable with 4 flights, instead of 8

Interesting. You would think they might have held on to some of those FL cities they dropped. Or maybe paving the way to enter smaller markets? Who knows?

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