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Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:01 am

Delta ship 6818 (N624AG) went out for engine runs and system checks this afternoon. Everything operated flawlessly! Still have cabin items to finish, STC Conformity, Certificate of Airworthiness, Functional Check Flight and 121 Certification to go. Hope to see it EIS in mid-July.
Ship 6818 in the Delta TOC "runup hole" 6-24-2012.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:17 am

I take it this is the DL post storage routine and refitting before bringing it back into service?
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:22 am

Yes, all part of preparing it to go into service. This aircraft is new to the fleet and has had four previous operators so a lot of work went into standardizing it to the other 6800 series aircraft.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:27 am

Great to see this bird finally enter service and also awesome to see the work done in-house here in ATL!
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
How far along is TechOps with the cabin? BE seats already on-site?

Cabin is almost complete. All the monuments and seats are installed. Hope to see the cabin complete by June 27th.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:50 am

What all is being done to the cabin?
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 8):
What all is being done to the cabin?

See the previous thread in reply 5. N624AG (DL Ship 6818) Arrives In ATL (by B757forever Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

It essentially has been modified to be just like ships 6801-6817.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:53 am

I think this is wonderful! Who care's how old the bird is. TechOps does such a wonderful job... so many 757's in our fleet that look like brand new aircraft from a cabin perspective.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 5):
it is somewhat of a novelty as it is another 757 being added to the largest 757 fleet in the world.

Isn't that the very definition of what isn't a novelty?  

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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:35 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 7):

Cool that's this week! Wonderful job by the men and women over there
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:35 am

Good to see progress with this aircraft. I was over at the TOC a few weeks ago and walked past the bay that it was sitting in and couldn't resist taking a look inside. I had to stay outside as the floor was not installed, nor was the seats or side walls either. It was impressive and strange seeing it so naked.  But it did have a shinny new paint on the outside.

Will it get a water cannon salute as it departs on the first revenue flight? I guess this will be from ATL since that is where the HMV is taking place.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:15 am

Thanks for the explanation. As you pointed out something that fascinates yourselves but doesn't snag my interest.
And revamping a 20 yr old aircraft to make it look new is interesting.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:56 am

Just to clarify the aircraft was purchased and has under gone reconfigurations and cabin refit to match the remaining fleet...?

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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:36 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 6):
It essentially has been modified to be just like ships 6801-6817.

Just to ask, but will the interior really look EXACTLY like the ex-TWA aircraft? After all, N624AG has 1980s-style 757 PSUs, while the ex-TWA aircraft have the same style as the 737NG. Perhaps N624AG might get the aftermarket PSUs that many of the PMDL domestic 757s have, which are designed to fit in the existing cutouts of the 1980s-style PSUs. To install the 737NG-style PSUs, however, would require the panels under the bins to be replaced, since the cutouts are different.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13):
Just to ask, but will the interior really look EXACTLY like the ex-TWA aircraft? ... To install the 737NG-style PSUs, however, would require the panels under the bins to be replaced, since the cutouts are different.

Do you believe that "1980s-style"" PSU would negatively impact the travel experience? Or do you think things liked winged head rests, WiFi, power ports & UBS charging stations are more noticeable to travelers?
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 14):
Do you believe that "1980s-style"" PSU would negatively impact the travel experience?

Delta has spent (and continues to spend) a huge amount of money in recent years to make its aircraft not "look old" anymore, from a passenger perspective. Those old PSUs definitely look old. Fatal problem? Hardly. Detracts from the rest of the cabin renovation? Absolutely. I hope they at least do install the ones used on the domestic PMDL 757s.

[Edited 2012-06-25 07:26:54]
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 15):
Delta has spent (and continues to spend) a huge amount of money in recent years to make its aircraft not "look old" anymore, from a passenger perspective. Those old PSUs definitely look old. Fatal problem? Hardly. Detracts from the rest of the cabin renovation? Absolutely. I hope they at least do install the ones used on the domestic PMDL 757s.

In fact, I heard DL recently started to install them on the PMNW 5500-series 752s alongside curved ceiling panels.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
In fact, I heard DL recently started to install them on the PMNW 5500-series 752s alongside curved ceiling panels.

Source? I have not come across that in my travels on the 75N this year.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 17):
Source? I have not come across that in my travels on the 75N this year.

It is mentioned in this thread:
DL To Acquire Used 757s? (by bigbird Jun 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I don't know how many aircraft have been modded, however. The thread does state that 11 of them will be getting the mods, while the rest of the fleet will be replaced by the 739ER.

[Edited 2012-06-25 09:03:25]
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Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
Just to clarify the aircraft was purchased and has under gone reconfigurations and cabin refit to match the remaining fleet...?

Yes. IF first sat in the desert for quite some time before being ferried to ATL. Was confirmed some time ago by one of our members that all the work would be done in-house.
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Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 14):
Do you believe that "1980s-style"" PSU would negatively impact the travel experience? Or do you think things liked winged head rests, WiFi, power ports & UBS charging stations are more noticeable to travelers?

I would have to say the majority of the traveling public would not notice or care about PSU's.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 20):
I would have to say the majority of the traveling public would not notice or care about PSU's.

If that were the case, then DL wouldn't have ever updated the PSUs on their fleet. DL wants their aircraft to look new, and PSUs that look like they were straight out of the 1980s badly clashes with DL's other interior mods. Other than the 757s, the MD-88s also got new PSUs.

The 763s (both domestic and international) initially got a partial PSU update, where the old reading lights were kept but the No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt signs were changed to the cool fluorescent white, and the white air nozzles were replaced with light gray ones. However, the more recent full cabin mods (pivot bins, sidewalls, and ceiling panels) for the 763ERs include new more modern reading lights.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 20):
I would have to say the majority of the traveling public would not notice or care about PSU's.

They will notice all right. But their reaction won't be "look, an old PSU." It will be "This airplane is old and must be unsafe," or, only slightly more fairly, "This airline has old crappy planes and the competition is better."

People don't know the technical details of what they're looking at, but they do know when something looks old.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
If that were the case, then DL wouldn't have ever updated the PSUs on their fleet. DL wants their aircraft to look new, and PSUs that look like they were straight out of the 1980s badly clashes with DL's other interior mods. Other than the 757s, the MD-88s also got new PSUs.

It might be something DL wanted more so then average Joe. The average flyer does not know if it was a 767 or 747 let alone clear reading lights.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 23):
It might be something DL wanted more so then average Joe. The average flyer does not know if it was a 767 or 747 let alone clear reading lights.

But the average Joe would prefer to fly an aircraft that looks new, rather than one that gives away its age. seabosdca is right on the money.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 23):
It might be something DL wanted more so then average Joe. The average flyer does not know if it was a 767 or 747 let alone clear reading lights.

We tend to not give enough credit to travelers these day. This is not the 1980s. The crowd is much younger today. And more knowledgeable.

The most important crowd, the business travelers, even know the difference between a 175 and a CR9 believe it or not.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:08 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):
But the average Joe would prefer to fly an aircraft that looks new, rather than one that gives away its age. seabosdca is right on the money.

The average Joe wants the cheapest fare possible for the dates & time he's seeking to travel. He does not care about PSUs, PTVs or pivot bins.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 25):
We tend to not give enough credit to travelers these day. This is not the 1980s. The crowd is much younger today. And more knowledgeable.

The biggest demographic change in the past 20-30 years is the soaring number of leisure and VFR travelers. These people do not care about PSUs, PTVs or pivot bins - they want the cheapest fare possible for the dates & times they're traveling. The extent of their knowledge is often what they've read on SeatGuru, and with multiple fleet subtypes, most end up confused, anyway. Too often they'll book flights marketing amenities such as PTVs only to find their aircraft had been swapped.

Earlier this year, instead of taking the nonstop 320 from DTW-PUJ, I booked a connection via ATL. Why? Because DL was scheduling a 75E and we were paying for Business Class. A week weeks later, that 75E morphed into an MD-88. When we called to be reaccomodated onto the direct flight from DTW, what do you think DL's answer was?
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:12 pm

Will it have a special crew when it first flies? Will Delta celebrate the "new" aircraft entry into service? It looks like you guys in TechOps did a great job! Always good to se B757's flying.

Coming in for a landing the B757 looks like a bird of prey more that any other airliner.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 26):
The average Joe wants the cheapest fare possible for the dates & time he's seeking to travel. He does not care about PSUs, PTVs or pivot bins.

I often argue this very point. But the airline appears to believe otherwise, at least judging by the funds it's sinking into cabin renovations in the last few years. PMDL 757s, 75Es, 76P/Qs, MD-88s, and now 744s and 763ERs are being made to look "new" at great expense. Leaving old PSUs in place would substantially undermine that effort, because they are very visible and their age is obvious. Either Delta thinks there's an advantage in having new-looking cabins, or it doesn't...
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 26):

With all of that being said, the fact still remains that we give too little credit to the traveling public that's all i'm saying. Wanting the cheapest fare does not change that..

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
Either Delta thinks there's an advantage in having new-looking cabins, or it doesn't...

Exactly. But the poster seems to think otherwise.

The whole cheapest fare thing is also very overblown. Someone will always charge more and people will pay it.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:36 pm

If that was true then AA would still have more room in coach and Midwest Express would still be a viable airline.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:36 pm

The average Joe cares about how much they paid, and how much they pay almost always will play a role in future bookings. A good flight on DL, with a "new-looking" B757, that was cheaper than AA probably means nothing to them if, in the future, AA has cheaper fares than DL on the same leg.

I've never heard anybody I know say that "X airline has new looking airplanes and great cabins with IFE, winged headrests, etc." I do always hear "oh X airline is so much cheaper than Z airline..." but more often "don't fly X airline, they're ALWAYS late."

People are more concerned with cheap fares and arriving on time..

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 25):
We tend to not give enough credit to travelers these day. This is not the 1980s. The crowd is much younger today. And more knowledgeable.

Some of us are more knowledgable. Don't give us all too much credit!!   
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
I often argue this very point. But the airline appears to believe otherwise, at least judging by the funds it's sinking into cabin renovations in the last few years.

Among the domestic fleet, many of the renovations have yielded benefits for DL (e.g. increased seat counts, more spacious overhead bins, seats with greater longevity, etc.). As DL intends on operating most of these aircraft for many more years, aircraft renovations are still necessary, and DL’s spending as little money as possible (they’ve abandoned the idea over overhead video in its 319, 320 and M90 fleet) to make the fleet presentable.

Given that DL plans on operating longhaul aircraft such as the 763 and 744 much longer than its peers, renovations are a necessity as the product is increasingly uncompetitive. Price is still king, but product is more noticeable longhaul.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
With all of that being said, the fact still remains that we give too little credit to the traveling public that's all i'm saying. Wanting the cheapest fare does not change that..

You're giving the traveling public too much credit.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
The whole cheapest fare thing is also very overblown. Someone will always charge more and people will pay it.

If price wasn’t king, DL would have continued installing PTVs throughout its fleet and would attempt something dramatic (e.g. restore complimentary meals & drinks, or provide complimentary WiFi) while seeking a premium on its tariffs. It won’t happen.

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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 32):
On longhaul aircraft such as the 763 and 744, renovations were necessary as DL plans to operate these planes for many years and the product was increasingly uncompetitive.

And the 75E, which is the fleet that the subject aircraft will be joining, is an international fleet and will be flying for a VERY long time.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):
And the 75E, which is the fleet that the subject aircraft will be joining, is an international fleet and will be flying for a VERY long time.

1337Delta764 was previously upset DL didn't update the PSUs on its 744.

I guarantee you I fly more than 1337, and I've never noticed the PSUs. I'd offer to check on my next flight, but I doubt I'll remember. IMO, the age of my FA is much more noticeable.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 26):
hese people do not care about PSUs, PTVs or pivot bins

You insist on this over and over again in multiple forums, but its not consistent with my personal observation. My personal observation is that people like PTVs and they do care. Repeating an incomplete analysis over and over again may be an effective persuasion tactic and make it a business fad, but it doesn't make it a good analysis.

I understand that if you have invested in an airline, you might feel that the expense of a costumer's enjoyment subtracts from your personal bottom-line. A simplistic model based on the profit and loss of a single flight assumes that the behavior of repeat customers is a non-quantifiable, future problem, or does not even consider it.

Let me help you. When a flyer is 25 or paying tickets for 4 family members, they are flying the cheapest flight. When are 45, flying single, or with their significant other, or have discretion in flying for business, they are flying the airline that gave them the best experience when they were 25 and to keep their frequent flyer status. Fliers who are 45 and up have more money than fliers who are 25, and are a rich source of coveted high value customers. Shaving cream brands gave out free shaving cream on college campuses based on the same idea of developing brand loyalty.

Are you familiar with game theory? A lot about long-term business relationships can be understood with game theory. You are going to get a different optimal strategy if you have a single game (a 25 year old buying a ticket once) than if you have a repeated game where the 25 year old could possibly become your loyal flyer in 10 years and high value customer in 20 years (a 45 year old buying many tickets and occasionally buying first/business class).

See how this works? Most legacy airlines do realize and consider this in everything from cabin design to airport experience to loyalty programs. Other airlines really have chosen a stripped down model, but they -are- focused mainly on the single flight leisure fliers. There are multiple effective business models, each requiring different strategies. If your strategy is inconsistent with that airline's business model and brand, you could do a lot of damage to that company in the long run.

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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Isn't that the very definition of what isn't a novelty?



Yes,   After re-reading my earlier comments, I realized I failed in elaborating why this aircraft is a novelty. In this age of carbon-fiber, geared turbo-fan, light weight , modern aircraft, Delta sees value in a 19 year old out-of-production airframe because nothing built new today can match the performance of a 757 for the missions Delta intends to deploy it on. That is really pretty amazing and a testament to the 757.
So, yes, one more 757 added to the other ~170 other 757s in the fleet is really not a big deal to most. To me the reasons why it was added and the resources dedicated to the project are the novelty. Besides, 757s are way cool!  
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:11 am

I think service is a bit more important than what the PSU's look like.. I mean you could have a beautiful brand new PSU, but what good is it when its either never responded to or met with a FA that looks like you put them out of their way..

Back to 6818... glad to see this bird is going to EIS soon.. We have been hearing about the odyssey of N624AG for quite some time now.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:32 am

Does anyone here have a photo of the 1980s style PSU? I've never seen them before, so I have no idea how they look like.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:03 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13):
Perhaps N624AG might get the aftermarket PSUs that many of the PMDL domestic 757s have,



Much to the delight or disappointment of many it seems, it is getting all new PSUs. Another reason for replacement is that the existing PSUs had no provisions for gasper vents.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 35):
You insist on this over and over again in multiple forums, but its not consistent with my personal observation. My personal observation is that people like PTVs and they do care. Repeating an incomplete analysis over and over again may be an effective persuasion tactic and make it a business fad, but it doesn't make it a good analysis.

Purchase trends, not persuasive arguments, dictate my thinking. PTVs, increased legroom, complimentary meals & entertainment, widebody aircraft, etc. unquestionably increase consumer satisfaction and help build loyalty. However, there's a price on loyalty and as the number of leisure & VFR travelers continues to soar, unless these product attributes deliver a premium on the tariff, it makes no sense to offer them free of charge. Consider Gen Y, which accounts for most of the additional butts being flown: nearly 100% of this demographic brings some form of IFE with them (smart phone, notebook/tablet, eBook reader, books, etc.) -- if the PTVs there, sure they'll use it. But are they going to pay $20 more for their ticket when an increasing number are relinquishing pay TV at home?

As I've written before, there's a reason B6 has struggled with many new markets lately: it's been unable to penetrate existing fares. If the rhetoric on a.net was correct, B6 would be cleaning up on these markets -- while increasing average fares. But they're not.

Frequent business travel is a separate market segmentation and my comments aren't relating to that.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 32):
You're giving the traveling public too much credit.

Says you. It is your opinion and this is mine. However, i'm glad that there are people in DL's on-board product department that knows better.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 41):
However, i'm glad that there are people in DL's on-board product department that knows better.

Really? Is that why they abandoned plans for even overhead video in the MD-90s and select PMNW aircraft?

Quote:
Says you. It is your opinion and this is mine.

That sounds like an assertion a child would make.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:57 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 33):
And the 75E, which is the fleet that the subject aircraft will be joining, is an international fleet and will be flying for a VERY long time.

Actually, the 75Es are used more on domestic transcons (JFK-LAX/SFO) these days than on international. In the peak summer season, only 6 to 7 of the current 17 75Es are being used internationally; the rest are deployed on transcons.
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 37):
We have been hearing about the odyssey of N624AG for quite some time now.

Whats the history about this bird? Ive not heard about this Ships uniqueness...
 
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting softrally (Reply 38):
Does anyone here have a photo of the 1980s style PSU? I've never seen them before, so I have no idea how they look like.

Here is an example of the 1980s-style PSUs:

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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 36):
In this age of carbon-fiber, geared turbo-fan, light weight , modern aircraft, Delta sees value in a 19 year old out-of-production airframe because nothing built new today can match the performance of a 757 for the missions Delta intends to deploy it on. That is really pretty amazing and a testament to the 757.

I wonder if the 757 is the first a/c in the DL fleet to reach to reach its design limits at retirement? The 1984-5 build a/c should reach their cycle limits in the next couple of years. I recall some early L-1011s reached their 75,000 hour limit, but at this rate 757s will be going from original operator to the scrap heap (much like the 100,000+ hour LH 744s).
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
Really? Is that why they abandoned plans for even overhead video in the MD-90s and select PMNW aircraft?

???

No. They removed the overhead monitors on the Delta original MD90s with the intentions of installing PTVs on all the MD90s. There's a reason why the F seats on the MD90s do not have powerports and the ones on the 88s do although they are the exact same seats...they were suppose to be temporary because they cannot take PTVs in the back. They didn't "abandon" plans for overhead video on the 90s because there never was such a plan.. If they knew from the beginning that they wouldn't install PTVs, the 16 DL MD90s would still have the flip-down monitors today.

As to overhead monitors, they seem to think some sort of investment is worth it because they are replacing the CRTs on the PMDL 757s with LCD monitors. Word is that that the PMNW 757s will eventually get the mod (the ones they intend on keeping for another 5-10 years) although the work will be a little more extensive because NW brilliantly removed ALL the wiring for video.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 42):
That sounds like an assertion a child would make.

Because I'm saying i'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours? Yeah, okay...
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:42 pm

I can't believe a repurposed 752 has generated almost 50 replies.
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RE: Delta Ship 6818 Getting Close To EIS

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 47):
As to overhead monitors, they seem to think some sort of investment is worth it because they are replacing the CRTs on the PMDL 757s with LCD monitors. Word is that that the PMNW 757s will eventually get the mod (the ones they intend on keeping for another 5-10 years) although the work will be a little more extensive because NW brilliantly removed ALL the wiring for video.

If the PMNW 757s get overhead video, they would have to get a completely new system (such as the Panasonic Digital MPES), since the tape servers are gone.

[Edited 2012-06-26 07:50:51]
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