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New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:41 pm

Just ran across this at sfgate.com



Construction kicks off Thursday, The new tower will be located between T1 and T2. Ful article is here:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/...-have-a-torch-like-air-3664702.php
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:05 pm

I was waiting to hear news about the new control tower. Looking forward to this new addition to the SFO skyline!
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:22 pm

That's a very interesting design. It looks so much more imaginitive than the basic cookie-cutter design control towers
seen at most U.S. airports. Torch design, I wonder if the Olympic torch was an inspiration?

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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:23 pm

Kinda old news - A new tower was part of the larger T-2 redesign project.

Was covered here with planned designs
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:40 pm

The design is what is newsworthy, not the news of a new tower.
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 4):

The design is what is newsworthy, not the news of a new tower.

This is also pretty newsworthy: "At the same time, the compact dimensions required that the lower neck of the tower be as narrow as possible, since room was needed for a pair of corridors between Terminals 1 and 2, one for general visitors and one for passengers who already had passed through security."

Looking at the second rendering, though, the corridor has such an afterthought-like look to it. You'd think they could've made it more integrated into T2's redevelopment.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:09 pm

How old is this rendering? Notice the old DL widget livery on the planes?
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
How old is this rendering? Notice the old DL widget livery on the planes?

This a new design. I spoke with some of the construction companies personnel the other day as they moved into the 4th floor. It's design was finished 6 months ago according to one of them.

I highly doubt the a/c in the background really matter. That's not the focus of attention.

On a side note. Those of you locally coming through SFO can see the artist renderings of the E concourse just outside the closed TSA screening area. Looks beautiful and as an added note, nothing like T2.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:31 pm

I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays. SFO has been making a run in the delay derby with CLT, BOS, EWR and LGA.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):
On a side note. Those of you locally coming through SFO can see the artist renderings of the E concourse just outside the closed TSA screening area. Looks beautiful and as an added note, nothing like T2.

Is it anything like this PDF? http://www.sfgov3.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=1720
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting anonms (Reply 9):

Thanks for posting the link.

However the artist renderings are nice and more details then this.

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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:58 am

How old is the current tower? Doesn't seem a new one is neccessary- not like they're adding concrete that requires new sight lines.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

It is not really the age but the current tower was not built to survive a substantial earthquake. The new tower will be built to survive up to an 8.0.
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

As far as I know, the current tower is about 30 years old, built around the same time T2 was turned into the Intl. terminal in 1984. They're replacing it because a FAA report said that the tower would not be able to survive a large earthquake.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 12):
It is not really the age but the current tower was not built to survive a substantial earthquake. The new tower will be built to survive up to an 8.0.

Ah, that makes more sense. 8.0 is kinda low-balling it, though, isn't it? What was Chile, 8.8? It's not like bigger isn't possible/probable.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:24 am

Finally, a tower with some architectural pizazz here in the US.

No surprise to find it at SFO, one of the few American airports that bothers to distinguish itself.

Over at LGA, on the other hand, we recently lost one of the country's most distinctive towers. Frequent flyers remember this building well -- hourglass-shaped and of modest height, bejeweled with a top-to-bottom series of portholes. It was an odd, playful structure.

The new LGA tower is what you might call the FAA Standard Model A1 -- a control tower that looks like every other American control tower put up over the past 20 or 30 years. I think they come prefab in a great big packing crate.

The old one may not have been state-of-the-art, but it was a welcoming, almost mischievous visual flourish in an otherwise joyless vista of seawater and concrete. It lent a friendly touch to an airport that, in most respects, is anything but friendly. It was, almost literally, an exclamation point. It said: LaGuardia!

Airports, like the planes that serve them, have become painfully generic. Functionality aside, part of any major airport building’s job is to create a sense of identity, inside and out – the kind of place that, when you glimpse it TV or in a movie, even for just a second, you know * exactly * where it is.

A dwindling number of airport facilities are distinctive in this way. The spidery "Theme Building" at LAX is the most enduring. The main terminal at Denver is another, as is the one at Washington-Dulles (Eero Saarinen).

And, we shan’t forget my sentimental favorite, the twin-stanchion control tower at Boston-Logan.

If only its 16th floor observation deck were still intact.


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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:25 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 14):

The main reason is that they're different types of faults. In Chile, the Nazca plate is subducted beneath the South American plate. In California, the Pacific and North American plates rub up against and slip past each other. Subduction zones can create far more powerful earthquakes than faults like the San Andreas/Hayward faults are capable of. I might be wrong, but I believe the largest earthquake that the San Andreas can create is around 8.0-8.5.

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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:00 am

On a quick side note...does anyone have the link to the renderings or the proposals for the redevelopment of T1? They where posted a while ago and i havent been able to find the link.

Thanks!
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting mexicana767 (Reply 17):

Here are some of the general plans released by SFO.

This is from 2009
http://aci-na.org/static/entransit/Fantoni.pdf
pgs 32-50

updated version from 2011
SFO.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.wtsinternational.org/assets/84/22/WTS_022311_SFO.pdf
pgs 19-36
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting aviateur (Reply 15):

The old one may not have been state-of-the-art, but it was a welcoming, almost mischievous visual flourish in an otherwise joyless vista of seawater and concrete. It lent a friendly touch to an airport that, in most respects, is anything but friendly. It was, almost literally, an exclamation point. It said: LaGuardia!

  
The old LGA tower was terrific. How difficult or expensive would it be to give control towers a little more flair? They're a distinctive, stand-out part of an airport and should look like it. Good for SFO.

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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 8):
I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays. SFO has been making a run in the delay derby with CLT, BOS, EWR and LGA.

That would be nice, but unfortunately, the new tower doesn't solve the issue of runway spacing. The only way that's ever getting fixed is if the FAA grants a waiver to the visual rules or the bay gets filled and another runway installed (which is politically impossible). SFO's really stuck between a rock and a hard place in that regard...
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:14 am

Does anyone here have info for future terminal 1 after the renovation of the E concourse at T3 and the new build tower? SFO is been packed with airplanes on ground lately with specially with UA airplanes.
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting N782NC (Reply 18):

So what is the latest news on the T1 plans? Are they going to build it? If
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting mnik101 (Reply 22):

As of now, yes. The plan is for Terminal 1 to be redeveloped after work on E and the new tower are completed.

For some reason the last link I posted didn't work properly. Here's their updated plans from last year. The T1 project starts on page 20.

http://www.wtsinternational.org/assets/84/22/WTS_022311_SFO.pdf
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting N782NC (Reply 16):
The main reason is that they're different types of faults. In Chile, the Nazca plate is subducted beneath the South American plate. In California, the Pacific and North American plates rub up against and slip past each other. Subduction zones can create far more powerful earthquakes than faults like the San Andreas/Hayward faults are capable of. I might be wrong, but I believe the largest earthquake that the San Andreas can create is around 8.0-8.5.

This is correct - low 8's is about the strongest the San Andreas is expected to generate. Not that anything like that wouldn't be a massive disaster, but it's still not as bad as a 9. The last three major quakes the San Andreas generated were the Fort Tejon quake of 1857 at 7.9, the infamous 1906 San Francisco quake at 7.8, and the Loma Prieta quake of 1989 at 6.9. And SFO needs to be very concerned about that fault - it's within three miles of it along I-280 and San Andreas Lake (see http://www.thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html)
 
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RE: New Control Tower For SFO

Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 8):
I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays.

Because the old tower had a fog generating machine?
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