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OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:52 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AA ORD-PSP NOV 1.5>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0

AC HNL-YYC NOV 0.3>0.1
AC OGG-YYC NOV 0.1>0
AC SJU-YYZ JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

AF DTW-CDG JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9

AZ EWR-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

*B6 MCO-BTV DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0

BA PHX-LHR DEC 0.8>1.0 JAN 0.8>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0

BTV DIC-DPS JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

CI LAX-TPE SEP 1.9>1.8
CI ROR-TPE AUG 0.8>0.7

DL ATL-FSM SEP 1.9>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2.0>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
DL ATL-PVR JAN 0.5>0.3
DL ATL-SAV JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
DL ATL-SXM JAN 0.5>0.6
DL ATL-TLH DEC 9>8
DL ATL-VPS DEC 10>9
DL ATL-XNA DEC 5>6
DL BOS-RDU DEC 7>6
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.8>1.6
DL DCA-ATL DEC 15>14
DL DTW-CMH FEB 7>6
DL DTW-FSD AUG 0.8>0.4
No resumption shown...
*DL DTW-HKG SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.6>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.5>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL DTW-YQB DEC 1.9>1.7
DL GUM-KIX JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>2
DL JFK-DKR SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
DL LAX-SFO SEP 12>11
DL LGA-ATL DEC 16>15
DL LGA-BOS AUG 13>14 OCT 13>14 NOV 12>13 FEB 13>14
DL LGA-DCA AUG 13>12 SEP 12>11 OCT 13>12 NOV 12>11 DEC 11>10 JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12
DL LGA-MYR SEP 0.3>0.1
It's hard to imagine MEM-BTR/DSM/OMA/etc make much sense with 1 RT. I suspect they thought it would draw less attention if they dropped only FSM-MEM completely. I suspect a dribbling out of these others getting axed.
*DL MEM-BOS DEC 1.9>1.4
*DL MEM-BTR DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-CLE DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-CLT DEC 3>2.0
*DL MEM-CMH AUG 3>2 SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.6 NOV 3>1.6 DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-COU DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-DAL DEC 1.8>1.4
*DL MEM-DEN AUG 1.9>1.4 SEP 1.8>0.9 OCT 1.9>0.9 NOV 1.8>0.8 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.9>0.8 FEB 1.9>0.9
*DL MEM-DFW DEC 3>2.0
*DL MEM-DSM AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>0.9 OCT 2>0.9 NOV 1.9>0.8 DEC 2>0.7 JAN 2>0.8 FEB 2>0.9
*DL MEM-FSM SEP 1.1>0.2 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*DL MEM-IAH DEC 3>2.0
*DL MEM-JAX DEC 2>1.4
*DL MEM-LIT SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.4 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-OKC SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.4 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-OMA AUG 3>1.9 DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-PHX DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-PIB DEC 2>1.4
*DL MEM-PIT AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.6 DEC 3>1.4 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SGF AUG 1.9>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-SHV FEB 1.0>1.7
*DL MEM-TPA AUG 1.9>1.0 SEP 1.8>0.9 OCT 1.9>0.9 NOV 1.8>0.8 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.9>0.8 FEB 1.9>0.9
DL MSP-ORF AUG 2>1.4 SEP 0.2>0.1
DL MSP-YQR DEC 1.9>1.8
DL MSP-YXE DEC 1.9>1.8
DL MSP-YYZ DEC 5>4
DL SLC-YYC OCT 2>1.9

F9 MCI-MCO SEP 0.1>0.0

LA MIA-BOG JUL 1.4>1.3 AUG 1.3>1.2

I know they did this last year. but it makes me think the MUC is pretty weak to cut down all these spokes in the Winter.
LH BOS-MUC JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
LH CLT-MUC DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.9
LH IAD-MUC NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
LH JFK-MUC DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
LH LAX-MUC NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6
LH ORD-MUC DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
LH SFO-MUC DEC 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9

*NK ACY-ATL SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0
NK ACY-BOS SEP 0.3>1.1 OCT 0>1.0
NK ACY-FLL OCT 2>3
How long did this last? Wasn't the schedule awful?
*NK BOS-DFW NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
NK DEN-FLL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6
NK DFW-LAS SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
NK DFW-ORD SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
NK DFW-TPA NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.8>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6
NK DTW-CUN DEC 0.8>1.0
NK FLL-CTG SEP 0.3>0.7 OCT 0.3>0.7
NK FLL-KIN AUG 0.6>0.5 OCT 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-LAX AUG 1.0>0.7
NK FLL-MDE SEP 0.6>0.7 OCT 0.6>0.7 NOV 0.7>0.8 DEC 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9
NK FLL-MGA SEP 0.3>0.5 OCT 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-NAS AUG 0.7>0.6 SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.9
NK FLL-PAP SEP 0.6>0.8 OCT 0.6>0.9
NK FLL-PBG NOV 0.7>0.5 DEC 0.9>0.6 JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6
NK FLL-PUJ FEB 0.2>0
NK FLL-SAL SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3
NK FLL-SDQ AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 1.0>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.9
NK FLL-TPA SEP 2>1.2 OCT 2>1.0 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
*NK LAX-ORD SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0
NK MCO-ORD NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
NK MCO-SJU DEC 0.6>1.2 JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 0.5>0
NK MSP-ORD OCT 2>3

*P1 BED-TTN JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.3>0

I think this corrects what must have been a filing error.
QR IAD-DOH JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0
QR JFK-DOH JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0

SK IAD-CPH NOV 0.9>0.8

SV JFK-JED OCT 0.7>0.5
SV JFK-MED OCT 0.0>0.2

UA BKW-SHD OCT 1.1>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
UA CKB-MGW AUG 0.7>1.7 SEP 0.7>1.7 OCT 0.8>1.6 NOV 0.9>1.6 DEC 0.8>1.5 JAN 0.9>1.6 FEB 0.9>1.6
UA CLE-MHT DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.6>3 FEB 1.6>3
UA CLE-PVD DEC 4>3
UA DEN-ABQ NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
UA DEN-OKC JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
UA IAD-CKB AUG 1.9>0.9 SEP 1.8>0.8 OCT 1.7>1.0 NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.7>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
UA IAD-JST OCT 0.9>1.7 NOV 0.9>1.7 DEC 0.8>1.7 JAN 0.9>1.7 FEB 0.9>1.7
UA IAD-LWB AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
UA IAD-MHT DEC 2>1.0 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.8
UA IAH-BHM SEP 7>6
UA IAH-GJT SEP 1.5>1.0
UA IAH-IAD JAN 6>5
UA IAH-LCH SEP 5>4
UA IAH-LFT SEP 9>8
UA IAH-LIT SEP 6>5
UA IAH-MAF NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7
UA IAH-YEG OCT 2.0>1.8
UA LAX-HNL OCT 6>5

US PHL-BOS AUG 18>17
US PHX-LGA SEP 0.2>0.0

what is this one?
VR BOS-RAI NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

VX FLL-LAX DEC 1.9>3

WG ATL-PUJ SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0

WN LGA-MKE NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4

???
*WP ATL-GNV AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
*WP ATL-LWB AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9

AM didn't change anything this week, so it was Y4's turn. LOL
Y4 FAT-GDL SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0 NOV 1.1>1.0 DEC 1.2>1.0 JAN 1.1>1.0 FEB 1.1>1.0
Y4 LAS-GDL SEP 1.7>1.6 OCT 1.7>1.4 NOV 1.7>1.4 DEC 1.7>1.5 JAN 1.7>1.4 FEB 1.7>1.4
Y4 LAS-MEX SEP 2>1.6 OCT 2>1.6 NOV 2>1.5 DEC 2>1.6 JAN 2>1.6 FEB 2>1.6
Y4 LAX-CUL AUG 0>0.1 SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1 NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
Y4 LAX-GDL SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
Y4 LAX-MEX SEP 1.2>0.6 OCT 1.1>0.4 NOV 1.1>0.4 DEC 1.2>0.5 JAN 1.1>0.4 FEB 1.1>0.4
Y4 LAX-MLM SEP 0.4>0.9 OCT 0.4>0.8 NOV 0.5>0.9 DEC 0.4>0.9 JAN 0.4>0.8 FEB 0.4>0.9
Y4 LAX-ZCL SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.5 JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4
Y4 MCO-MEX JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1 NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
Y4 MDW-MEX SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.5 NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6
Y4 MDW-MLM SEP 0.7>0.4 OCT 0.7>0.4 NOV 0.7>0.5 DEC 0.7>0.4 JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.7>0.4
Y4 OAK-GDL SEP 1.0>1.4 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3 FEB 1.0>1.3
Y4 OAK-MEX AUG 0.4>0.5 SEP 0>0.2
Y4 SAN-MEX SEP 1.0>0.5 OCT 1.0>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 1.0>0.4

ZK DVL-JMS JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
ZK DVL-TVF JUL 1.0>0.3 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
ZK ISN-JMS JUL 1.0>0.3 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
ZK ISN-TVF JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4

This was what I was referring to. Why bother?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
This was what I was referring to. Why bother?

It's an adequate schedule during a slow leisure travel month. Travel to LAS tends to gravitate towards Thursday, Friday and Sunday. Persons departing on Thursday & Friday are generally looking forward to spending the weekend in Las Vegas while persons traveling on Sunday are more value-oriented and looking to take advantage of cheap weekday deals. Other travel days are significantly less popular and generally stimulated by lower fares.

The route returns daily in October.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*P1 BED-TTN JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.3>0

Who is P1?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:49 pm

Why does DL not just go ahead and axe the small routes out of MEM and connect the city to the major hubs? I am seriously just curious?

As for the following: the ATL-GNV and ATL-LWB routes

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

These are the beginning of Silver Airways EAS routes, correct? Not Island Air, inless I missed a DOT decision?

[Edited 2012-06-27 08:51:12]
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:52 pm

P1 is Public Charters. They are in the Travelport GDSs probably Sabre and maybe Amadeus too, but I still cannot figure out what they fly and their mission?
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 3):
Who is P1?
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
P1 is Public Charters. They are in the Travelport GDSs probably Sabre and maybe Amadeus too, but I still cannot figure out what they fly and their mission?

Looks like some outfit called Charter Air Transport (callsign "Stingray") operating E120's on the route.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20120626/2255Z/KBED/KTTN

Search found that Charter Air Transport's parent company is Business Aircraft Group- looks like they operate 4-5 E120's.

http://www.charterairtransport.com/


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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
It's an adequate schedule during a slow leisure travel month.

MCOLAS has more seats than CVGLAS, but CVG certainly has more DL loyalty and far more connectivity. It's not so much the seasonal pulldown but rather the white flat it represents.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 4):
Why does DL not just go ahead and axe the small routes out of MEM and connect the city to the major hubs? I am seriously just curious?

I've wondered this too - MEM as a hub is obviously not in the cards, and it seems that the recent high oil prices would have offered a great opportunity to just be done with it. I assume it's for PR or image or community relations in MEM, but de-hubbing is never going to be a welcome decision so not sure that the gentleness of it is really helping overall. And honestly, I would think in the scheme of things MEM, no matter how upset the city might be at losing hub status, doesn't have that much power to make DL's life all that miserable.

(Or could the baby-steps draw down of MEM have to do with the pace of 50-seaters being taken out of service or whatever they're doing? Is it a situation where, if they have these planes they might as well fly them somewhere? Like globalflyer, I am seriously just curious.)
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-LGA SEP 0.2>0.0

Is this normal?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
It's hard to imagine MEM-BTR/DSM/OMA/etc make much sense with 1 RT. I suspect they thought it would draw less attention if they dropped only FSM-MEM completely. I suspect a dribbling out of these others getting axed.

Your data format is not very telling of what DL is doing in this case. DL is shutting MEM down.... on Saturdays. It is down to less than 25 departures on Saturday starting September.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
what is this one?
VR BOS-RAI NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

TACV's Boston-Praia (Cape Verde Islands) scheduled service. Been around for quite a few years IIRC
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4

This was what I was referring to. Why bother?
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
This was what I was referring to. Why bother?

It's an adequate schedule during a slow leisure travel month

September is actually a good month for LAS.

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*P1 BED-TTN JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.3>0

Who is P1?
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
P1 is Public Charters. They are in the Travelport GDSs probably Sabre and maybe Amadeus too, but I still cannot figure out what they fly and their mission?
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 6):
Looks like some outfit called Charter Air Transport (callsign "Stingray") operating E120's on the route.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20120626/2255Z/KBED/KTTN

Search found that Charter Air Transport's parent company is Business Aircraft Group- looks like they operate 4-5 E120's.

OK, P1 (publiccharters.com) is not an airline. They are like Branson AirExpress which also had a two letter code. P1 has no planes and code shares with operators of airplanes. It's an interesting business. I'm surprised it is legal to have a code and no airline.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
It's hard to imagine MEM-BTR/DSM/OMA/etc make much sense with 1 RT. I suspect they thought it would draw less attention if they dropped only FSM-MEM completely. I suspect a dribbling out of these others getting axed.

Your data format is not very telling of what DL is doing in this case. DL is shutting MEM down.... on Saturdays. It is down to less than 25 departures on Saturday starting September.

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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
TACV's Boston-Praia (Cape Verde Islands) scheduled service. Been around for quite a few years IIRC

It's been running for over a decade at least, A310 usually.
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:42 pm

I think P1 might be Streamline?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:46 pm

I thought it was SATA that flew BOS/PVD- Azores...
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RE: OAG Changes 6/29/2012: DL/LH/NK/UA

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:59 pm

SATA does fly the Azores routes with A-310s. TACV has 1 757-200 that flies to Praia in the Cape Verde Islands which is off the African coast. Rumored that the 757 is being retired replaced with 737-800. Not sure if that can fly this route or not.

Also P1 BED-TTN is the public charter Streamline operated by Charter Air Transport. Guess it didn't make it.
 
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Hate this for Memphis but then again, Memphians have done nothing but complain for years. If Memphis turned a profit, Delta would stay around. How can you blame any company from doing this? There are so many factors involved. Memphis should celebrate FedEx, though not a passenger airline, it puts Memphis on the map. The economy will turn around and other airlines and flights will be added. It's the economy, fuel prices, and let's face it, Memphis is not a wealthy city. Memphis has a rich history of being a hub airline for Southern, Republic, Northwest and Delta spanning 3 decades. She is only following other cities and Memphis is fortunate to have outlasted other cities. Who ever would have thought Memphis would have more flights from a legacy airiine than Cincinnati, St Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.? Things will turn around and "take off" once again. This is an economy correcting itself and Memphians need to realize that this isn't just Memphis. But God bless people who have lost jobs in dehubbing, flight reductions and mergers.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting sampa737 (Reply 17):
Who ever would have thought Memphis would have more flights from a legacy airiine than Cincinnati, St Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.?

At this rate I think CLE will survive MEM out as a hub for an airline. That's because CLE has industry and manages good O&D for United.
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BA PHX-LHR DEC 0.8>1.0 JAN 0.8>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0

As previously announced
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4

Which days are they operating?

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
The route returns daily in October.

I think that it's better off during the late winter/early spring, then returning in September-november.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-LGA SEP 0.2>0.0

Where's this slot going? It's not much of a slot but still a slot

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Y4'

which airline is this?


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Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Where's this slot going? It's not much of a slot but still a slot

This flight is Saturday only (PHX is outside the perimeter) so it does not use a slot; they don't apply on Saturdays.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
which airline is this?

Volaris. With the demise of Mexicana they are now the second largest Mexican airline.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting HONDAH35 (Reply 9):
Is this normal?

The flight only started in March, so it's hard to say. US usually cuts their Saturday flying in PHX in September/October by canceling the last couple banks and down-gauging flights earlier in the day. Seeing how this flight is Saturday-only, it could be just a part of that seasonal cutback, although I think that might be too optimistic.
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 21):
Seeing how this flight is Saturday-only, it could be just a part of that seasonal cutback, although I think that might be too optimistic.

I think that these domestic, out-of-perimeter Saturday LGA flights just don't last. I think that there's a whole list of cities here, with PHX being the latest, that haven't been able to sustain these flights. I believe that LAX, SFO, SLC, and now PHX are all among these, and...... nada.....

However, the seasonal ski areas like EGE and HDN have been able to do this, but not those from the bigger destinations

 
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4

WOW that is just so weak. With southwest starting Dayton to Denver anyone see Delta reducing that or running for the hills? CVG-DEN looks pretty hit or miss route some days are packed espcially this summer.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
At this rate I think CLE will survive MEM out as a hub for an airline. That's because CLE has industry and manages good O&D for United.

The Shale Oil and Gas boom in Eastern Ohio can only help CLE, especially when their hub carrier's largest hub is the energy capital of the world (Houston).
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:49 pm

CLE is doing awesome compared to CVG or MEM. CLE feels totally different connecting thru IMHO lets keep our fingers crossed it remains that way
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN LGA-MKE NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4

FWIW, the 5th LGA-MKE trip is back in the AirTran schedule, so the total remains 5x each weekday.

The overnight LGA trip (MKE-LGA evening, LGA-MKE early morning) is the one staying at AirTran and shows as a 717. Unfortunately assuming there's no code sharing by then, that takes a chunk out of east-west connectivity. MKE-MSP in particular has almost no feed for three of the five daily flights, and the loss of the morning LGA-MKE flight hurts.
 
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Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 22):
However, the seasonal ski areas like EGE and HDN have been able to do this, but not those from the bigger destinations

It works for leisure destinations like ski resorts and AUA (which has seasonal UA service) because people generally spend the whole week there so a once weekly service is no big issue. Doesn't work for business destinations though.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting poLOT (Reply 27):

Quoting point2point (Reply 22):
However, the seasonal ski areas like EGE and HDN have been able to do this, but not those from the bigger destinations

It works for leisure destinations like ski resorts and AUA (which has seasonal UA service) because people generally spend the whole week there so a once weekly service is no big issue. Doesn't work for business destinations though.

Yeah def plus alot of the ski towns condos/houses are rented for a week saturday to saturday so its perfect for once a week service.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:07 am

So B6 is not doing BTV-MCO in the winter? Oh my! Maybe they should move the flight to FLL focus. Definitely a market and I personally never understood why B6 never started it. Can fill that flight up with the Quebecois from the Eastern Townships that dont want to drive to YUL or take G4 or NKs god aweful red eye.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:46 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 24):
The Shale Oil and Gas boom in Eastern Ohio can only help CLE, especially when their hub carrier's largest hub is the energy capital of the world (Houston).

Even UA spoke positively of CLE the other day:

“Cleveland is to be commended” for encouraging customers to choose United Airlines, said Greg Hart, United's senior vice president/network. “It is incredibly helpful.”

He added, “Year over year, (Cleveland Hopkins International Airport's) performance is better than some other hubs in terms of profitability ..."

Taken from: http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...e/20120625/SUB1/306259974/0/SEARCH
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 22):
I think that these domestic, out-of-perimeter Saturday LGA flights just don't last. I think that there's a whole list of cities here, with PHX being the latest, that haven't been able to sustain these flights. I believe that LAX, SFO, SLC, and now PHX are all among these, and...... nada.....

The airlines have really struggled to make the saturday only flights work from LGA. The beyond perimeter on saturday really seems to only benefit EGE which does excellent. Delta tried LGA-SLC at least twice or three times and failed delta also tried LAX and LAS once and failed. ATA tried SFO and US tried SJU IIRC. Now we can add US and PHX to the list. Amazing everyone has failed so quickly. Just to remind everyone DEN is beyond perimeter exempt and the only city EGE for example can only be flown on saturday. Does anyone remember the status of LGA-AUA on united i know its flying this summer but i thought there was talk of that also not lasting.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:46 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
How long did this last? Wasn't the schedule awful?
*NK BOS-DFW NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

About the same horrible times NK flies between PDX & DFW, it's just a otherwise RON'd aircraft in either city, I hope the PDX route lasts through mid-september, I wonder how NK is doing on the PDX-DFW route.
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:27 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK DEN-FLL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6

First casualty in DEN by NK since they restarted? If so, I guess this isn't too bad of a reduction.... from daily to 4X weekly? But then again, is this the FLL high season, or is this just a bit early and OCT is basically the slow season with FLL?

 
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 33):
But then again, is this the FLL high season, or is this just a bit early and OCT is basically the slow season with FLL?

Sep/Oct is a little early. Most families don't take vacations that early in the school year and the weather is usually nice enough around the country that people are not yet flocking to Florida's warmth. The high season begins more in late November, or December.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 33):

Yeah, high season is basically Thanksgiving through spring break in FLL. I guess the other 3 cities out of Denver are exceeding expectations, as is ORD-MSP, hence keeping it 3 daily through the year. Im very surprised about ORD-LAX going away, this route has been around with Spirit off and on for years. Hoping its no more than just a seasonal reduction. This flight is always full each way but with AA, VX, and UA all clawing at the market, it may not necessarily be a money maker.

[Edited 2012-06-28 05:57:22]
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):

And this is pretty much the opposite case in MEM. The local media and airport shun people for flying Delta.
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting poLOT (Reply 34):
Quoting beechtobus (Reply 35):

Thank you kindly ...... So I guess the reduction here isn't that big a deal, eh? And with both F9 and WN on this route, well........


 
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 37):
Thank you kindly ...... So I guess the reduction here isn't that big a deal, eh? And with both F9 and WN on this route, well........

Probably not. NK is also incredibly aggressive in cutting flights that don't make them money. It is not really that surprising that not every flight when daily was making money when they have 2 LCC competitors also on the route, especially considering it is a long flight.
 
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK ACY-ATL SEP 1.0>0.1 OCT 1.0>0

cutting it early, not always a good sign

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK ACY-BOS SEP 0.3>1.1 OCT 0>1.0

I liked that they extended this, hopefully the 1x will remain year round.

I think one of the issues with NK right now is they have more flights scheduled than they have aircraft, so I wonder if some of these cuts are from that... right now they have Xtra Airways running some of their LGA-FLL flights, and this has been going on for the last 2 months or so.
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Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting NKOPS (Reply 39):
I think one of the issues with NK right now is they have more flights scheduled than they have aircraft,

That's the flighting spirit, eh?

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 14):

I think P1 might be Streamline?
Quoting jcarv (Reply 16):
Also P1 BED-TTN is the public charter Streamline operated by Charter Air Transport. Guess it didn't make it.

P1 is a bunch of airlines all operating under one code and sold by publiccharters.com. It's weird. I don't know when IATA/DOT started giving codes to airlines with no airplanes, but Branson Air Express has one too and they are not an airline (they have no planes and never have had any).

Quoting sampa737 (Reply 17):
Hate this for Memphis but then again, Memphians have done nothing but complain for years.

If only there were more MEM-ians to complain they'd deserve a hub. To think MEM outlasted BNA as a hub is mind-blowing.

Quoting sampa737 (Reply 17):
Memphis is fortunate to have outlasted other cities.

Exactly

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
At this rate I think CLE will survive MEM out as a hub for an airline.

Not by long I don't think. The writing is on the wall in CLE, but they are not in a rush. It will happen slowly I think. I do think they are already re-adjusting to the lower flight commitment allowed in the contract.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 23):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-LAS SEP 0.9>0.4

WOW that is just so weak. With southwest starting Dayton to Denver anyone see Delta reducing that or running for the hills? CVG-DEN looks pretty hit or miss route some days are packed espcially this summer.

OK, here's a debate topic. IF an LCC came into CVG or MEM in markets where DL is still flying, what would DL's reaction be?

I think in MEM it would be "have at it" as long it was not a DL hub route like ATL. They'd drop the route faster than an Atlantan chasing biscuits. In CVG, I'm less sure. I think they might fight for the business routes and bail out of LAS/MCO type stuff.

Quoting sflaflight (Reply 29):
So B6 is not doing BTV-MCO in the winter?

There was a whole thread about it when it was leaked.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):
He added, “Year over year, (Cleveland Hopkins International Airport's) performance is better than some other hubs in terms of profitability ..."

I've heard lately that it is basically a 0% margin hub. That's better than I'd have thought and I'm certain DEN is worse. SFO may also be worse.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 32):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
How long did this last? Wasn't the schedule awful?
*NK BOS-DFW NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

About the same horrible times NK flies between PDX & DFW, it's just a otherwise RON'd aircraft in either city, I hope the PDX route lasts through mid-september, I wonder how NK is doing on the PDX-DFW route.

I don't think BOS-DFW is terribly seasonal so I assume this thing is DOA. NK does not do well in BOS. They have dropped BOS-DTW/ORD/DFW over the years. I think they had closed the station at one point and re-entered it. Am I right?

Quoting point2point (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK DEN-FLL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6

First casualty in DEN by NK since they restarted?

Well, it's Sep. I don't think it means much.
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting Enilria (Reply 41):
OK, here's a debate topic. IF an LCC came into CVG or MEM in markets where DL is still flying, what would DL's reaction be?

I think in MEM it would be "have at it" as long it was not a DL hub route like ATL. They'd drop the route faster than an Atlantan chasing biscuits. In CVG, I'm less sure. I think they might fight for the business routes and bail out of LAS/MCO type stuff.

Seems like the only MEM route that would be wide open for WN is BWI, as DL has completely dropped that if I'm not mistaken.

And of course now WN sort of has MEM-ATL through FL.

There's also MDW - but as I understand it ORD is one of the routes DL is keeping from MEM on Saturdays (plus there's UA and AA on the route, though obviously they're not LCCs) - so maybe there's some sense of a demand there?

DL has very solid presence (M88s/320s) on MEM-MCO and MEM-LAS (M90s/320s), other possible WN routes.

Obviously if there's a full de-hubbing those flights would be drawn down some, but it seems that maybe DL is keeping its irons in the fire on some possibly contentious routes.

But I would think for like DEN or PHX DL would take a "Whatever" attitude - but I don't see WN starting those up.

For what it's worth, seems like since US started the 3x DCA-MEM flights on CRJs, DL has been more consistent in having mainline jets on that route - now it's mix of 319/320s and 737, I think... I believe for a while they had CR7s and/or 9s on that.

I'm afraid though that MEM just isn't going to be that strong for any carrier.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting NKOPS (Reply 39):
I think one of the issues with NK right now is they have more flights scheduled than they have aircraft, so I wonder if some of these cuts are from that...

Huh? Is this some clever scheduling strategy? Offer lots of flights for sale, more than you know you can support with available aircraft, then just cancel the ones that show the lowest loads and place the a/c on the routes with the highest loads? Interesting. Slight inconvenience to those booked on the non-operating flights but then it's been suggested that NK is not real big on repeat customers anyway. I suppose the success of this idea would be partly determined by how far out the "losing" flights are actually cancelled...

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA CLE-MHT DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.6>3 FEB 1.6>3

Another add. If CLE is below the previous service level threshold, as some claim, it's barely below it.
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting Enilria (Reply 41):



"I don't think BOS-DFW is terribly seasonal so I assume this thing is DOA. NKdoes not do well in BOS. They have dropped BOS-DTW/ORD/DFW over the years. I think they had closed the station at one point and re-entered it. Am I right?"

Spirit never operated BOS-DTW, and they still operate BOS-ORD. BOS does quite well for NK, MYR, FLL, ACY and ORD are quite full. I think DFW was a matter of bad timing.
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting Enilria (Reply 41):
OK, here's a debate topic. IF an LCC came into CVG or MEM in markets where DL is still flying, what would DL's reaction be?

I think in MEM it would be "have at it" as long it was not a DL hub route like ATL. They'd drop the route faster than an Atlantan chasing biscuits. In CVG, I'm less sure. I think they might fight for the business routes and bail out of LAS/MCO type stuff.

I think DL would bail out and other mainline airlines would come in.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC HNL-YYC NOV 0.3>0.1
AC OGG-YYC NOV 0.1>0

This is interesting as this would be the time of year would be when a lot of Canadians are trying to escape the winter to warmer climates.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
Huh? Is this some clever scheduling strategy? Offer lots of flights for sale, more than you know you can support with available aircraft, then just cancel the ones that show the lowest loads and place the a/c on the routes with the highest loads?

They haven't cancelled flights... instead, they have contracted Omni and Xtra to run some of their flights for them as I said above. My point was they seemed to have over-scheduled their flights as they have had one of these two companies running one of their lines for about 2 months.... I am not sure if they have an aircraft down or a delayed delivery, but some of these cutbacks may be to over scheduling.
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 44):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA CLE-MHT DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.6>3 FEB 1.6>3

Another add. If CLE is below the previous service level threshold, as some claim, it's barely below it.

Some of CLE's very recent cuts are probably the result of UA adjusting to the (relatively) sudden need to replace Colgan flying. This add-back, coming when it does, reflects schedules being rebuilt and rebalanced as CommutAir and Silver ramp up their ops on ex-Colgan routes.

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