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DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:23 pm

The 8th completed 744 interior mod has been completed and is now back in service, departing SIN for NRT, then ATL.

Ship N668US, now back in service, will be replaced by N667US, which should enter modification on 6/28 after completion of it's last flight from NRT to SIN. This should leave 2 aircraft in mods, N667US & N674US.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:58 pm

Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD. It appears that sufficient numbers of mod-complete aircraft exist to insure there would be no substitution of a non-modified A/C due to a tech issue which was a concern in this market. The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.
Is this just an on-going crew story.....I heard this last year when I flew to SYD, and again on a recent transcon with LAX crew.....or is there serious consideration to put the 747 on the SYD run?
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:02 pm

Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...


Hopefully not that stupid.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!

Bring it on! Just keep our SFO-LAX connex intact.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:23 pm

AA doesn't have 744's. DL 744 are 3-4-3, and 2-4-2 in the last few rows.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route? looks like that's going to be my route this summer
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...

I don't think anyone operates 747s in a 3-5-3 layout. The seats on the 747 in the standard 3-4-3 layout are 17.2 inches wide, so 3-5-3 would have to have VERY narrow seats.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 4):
AA doesn't have 744's. DL 744 are 3-4-3, and 2-4-2 in the last few rows.

I think that He was referring to AA's 77W with 10 across, and making the 744 11 across.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route?

Currently that route is a 77L.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

DL doesn't compete with VA on the route.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route?

Nope... this summer they are scheduled for NRT-ATL, NRT-JFK, and JFK-TLV. Also sporadically on NRT-MNL, NRT-TPE, NRT-HNL, and KIX-HNL.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD.

DL still flying LAX-SYD???
I thought they were incapable, uncompetitive and incompetent a few years back to make this route last?   
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.

There is...that's the purpose for this thread - 50% of them are modded.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:11 pm

Is N674US back in service?
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:21 pm



Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD. It appears that sufficient numbers of mod-complete aircraft exist to insure there would be no substitution of a non-modified A/C due to a tech issue which was a concern in this market. The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.
Is this just an on-going crew story.....I heard this last year when I flew to SYD, and again on a recent transcon with LAX crew.....or is there serious consideration to put the 747 on the SYD run?
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!
Thomas

That's been the rumour ever since the route started, but we have open seats going to and from LAX-SYD, even on heavy peak travel periods, that non-revs are getting BE upgrades frequently. I highly doubt it'll go to -400 anytime soon. The loads, nor the freight justify it.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.

As long as it is configured with the Weber 5751 seats, complete with the Panasonic eX2 ife and the Eco9i integrated smart-monitors, life will be good

[Edited 2012-06-27 16:46:21]
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care

Check out the following videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlxLOKOv7Vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-iHSl_Mkbw
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 15):
As long as it is configured with the Weber 5751 seats, complete with the Panasonic eX2 ife and the Eco9i integrated smart-monitors, life will be good

I think you forgot the Heath Tecna NuLook pivot bins.  
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting N801NW (Reply 17):
I think you forgot the Heath Tecna NuLook pivot bins.

He didn't forget about them, they aren't on the modded 747-400s, just on the refurbished 767-300ERs.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 18):
He didn't forget about them, they aren't on the modded 747-400s, just on the refurbished 767-300ERs.

Heath Tecna doesn't even offer a pivot bin package for the 744 main cabin, only for the upper deck and nose area. For the 744 main cabin, they offer a modernized shelf bin package. I wish DL could have at least went with that for their 744s to give the cabin a more modern appearance, even though the 744s already have decent sized overhead bins (at least compared to the factory 763ER bins).
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 15):
The loads, nor the freight justify it.

Not sure about the loads, but Delta has had to send an extra flight just to pick up cargo.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 20):

Not sure about the loads, but Delta has had to send an extra flight just to pick up cargo.

Loads have been strong as well this summer (even with the poor winter weather in Oz).
I know of at least two separate people traveling to Sydney that had to transferred to VA because DL had oversold the flight.
I assume the JV with VA not only improves passenger numbers but also provides for more revenue management opportunities (ie overselling) because they have the additional flight as protection. And Im sure the same goes for VA.

I have no idea what the likelihood of seeing the 744 take over the LAX-SYD route is, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. These decisions are rarely made in a bubble. DL could decide they want the extra capacity, VA could opt to drop or re-time their flight in deference to a DL capacity increase, DL could just be looking to move the 77L fleet out of LA - they already have 744 ops there and go decide they could get better utilization and rotations using 744s instead of the 77Ls.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:14 pm

I had also heard speculation of ATL-GRU going to the 744 but they couldn't commit to it because of a hold up with the 747 mods. This was back in Feb or Mar so who knows if they still plan on upgrading now that there are more modded 74s on the line.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 22):
I had also heard speculation of ATL-GRU going to the 744 but they couldn't commit to it because of a hold up with the 747 mods. This was back in Feb or Mar so who knows if they still plan on upgrading now that there are more modded 74s on the line.

That's another one that's been long rumored. What is "peak season" for travel to Brazil?
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
That's another one that's been long rumored. What is "peak season" for travel to Brazil?

Dec/Jan/Feb and July. ATL-GRU is probably less likely for the 744, now that DL has DTW-GRU daily, as well as JFK-GRU on a 764....
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:06 pm

DL expect to use 747 on the ATL-GRU flight from Summer 13 IATA Season.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 22):

I had also heard speculation of ATL-GRU going to the 744 but they couldn't commit to it because of a hold up with the 747 mods. This was back in Feb or Mar so who knows if they still plan on upgrading now that there are more modded 74s on the line.

Delta *did* apply to operate ATL-GRU on the 744. They applied for 7 weekly slots in the 777/744 weight class, but it was denied by the Brazilian government.

I guess until they get what they want, it'll be only 764/A330.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 13):
There is...that's the purpose for this thread - 50% of them are modded.

Ah. I thought I'd heard that DL wasn't planning on installing this in Y. Apparently I was wrong. Now they DO have a competitive long-haul Y product.

UA continues to think that this is unnecessary.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
Ah. I thought I'd heard that DL wasn't planning on installing this in Y. Apparently I was wrong. Now they DO have a competitive long-haul Y product.

UA continues to think that this is unnecessary.

Yea...I don't know what UA is smoking...
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 24):
Dec/Jan/Feb and July. ATL-GRU is probably less likely for the 744, now that DL has DTW-GRU daily, as well as JFK-GRU on a 764....

Thanks for the info and totally forgot about DTW-GRU (which has done well since it's start) so all the traffic does not have to flow south through ATL. However, judging my Transpac's post, they won't have a choice anyway.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
Ah. I thought I'd heard that DL wasn't planning on installing this in Y. Apparently I was wrong. Now they DO have a competitive long-haul Y product.

Every international widebody aircraft in Delta's fleet will have lie-flat beds in Business Elite with direct aisle access, nose-to-tail AVOD and
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
and

....................

Wifi  
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 30):
....................

Wifi

damn..thanks I didn't even realize I cut myself off. It wasn't intentional!!!

Should have read and [WiFi along with Economy Comfort].
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:09 pm

What is the status of N676NW for modification? Being only 10 years old I would think it is a good candidate to recieve the mods.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):
It wasn't intentional!!!

Lol. I thought you needed some kind of drum roll...
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
The 8th completed 744 interior mod has been completed and is now back in service, departing SIN for NRT, then ATL.

Ship N668US, now back in service, will be replaced by N667US, which should enter modification on 6/28 after completion of it's last flight from NRT to SIN. This should leave 2 aircraft in mods, N667US & N674US.

So to recap, what are the 8 ships that have completed mods? Much easier for me using the fleet number but if you don't have that that's okay.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 32):
What is the status of N676NW for modification? Being only 10 years old I would think it is a good candidate to recieve the mods.

They have generally been going in order from oldest to newest. A few were done out of sequence, but as of right now the remaining aircraft that have not been modified are all 1999-2002 build aircraft aside from N669US.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
what are the 8 ships that have completed mods?

Completed:

Ship 6301 - N661US
Ship 6302 - N662US
Ship 6303 - N663US
Ship 6304 - N664US
Ship 6305 - N665US
Ship 6306 - N666US
Ship 6308 - N668US
Ship 6310 - N670US - first one to be completed

In Mods:

Ship 6307 - N667US
Ship 6314 - N674US
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 22):

at some point it will get approved by Brazil.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 26):

Delta *did* apply to operate ATL-GRU on the 744. They applied for 7 weekly slots in the 777/744 weight class, but it was denied by the Brazilian government.

I guess until they get what they want, it'll be only 764/A330.

        
Still can't believe Brazil turned them down.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):

Thanks for the info and totally forgot about DTW-GRU (which has done well since it's start) so all the traffic does not have to flow south through ATL. However, judging my Transpac's post, they won't have a choice anyway.

They still wanted daily 744 flights to GRU from here. ATL-GRU still can use the seats even with daily DTW/JFK-GRU.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 36):



Thanks!!

Coming along swimmingly I see.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:18 pm

What are the hours looking like on the early-build aircraft? Do they have enough left in the tank to fly through 2017-2018? Similar vintage aircraft of LH have already come close to timing out.

[Edited 2012-06-28 14:20:23]
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
. The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

The only thing the -400 provides is additional passenger capacity. The 77L has the same number of positions underneath and actually has more cubic feet available in the bulk area so it would be a net reduction as far as freight potential goes. Both aircraft have lie-flat BE, Y+ and Y. Efficiency is obviously another story altogether.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 40):
The 77L has the same number of positions underneath and actually has more cubic feet available in the bulk area so it would be a net reduction as far as freight potential goes.

I doubt if there's any pax carrier that fills up a bulk bin (on ANY widebody) to the brim..........live animals, yes......last minute bags, yes........skis, yes........but not bulky freight shipments.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:43 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 9):

DL most certainly competes with VA on this route. I have flown them both. They are both a very nice ride. I think as nice as QF and better than UA (all coach speaking of course)
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 40):
Efficiency is obviously another story altogether.

Depending on how you choose to define it.

744 CASM is less than 77L, but trip cost is higher. If you can fill the seats with high yield fares, the 744 will operate the route at higher margins than 77L.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 13):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.

There is...that's the purpose for this thread - 50% of them are modded.

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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:30 am

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 42):

They are basically the same airline.

If you fly VA it will help Delta and if you fly Delta it will help Virgin.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:54 am

As a former NW customer I can appreciate what DL has done to this NW Asian Workhorse.
This bird has come full circle and I'm glad DL sees some opportunity for her still. Respect for that.

Who would've thought this old bird would actually help lift DL to the next level of service?

        
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 40):
The only thing the -400 provides is additional passenger capacity. The 77L has the same number of positions underneath and actually has more cubic feet available in the bulk area so it would be a net reduction as far as freight potential goes. Both aircraft have lie-flat BE, Y+ and Y. Efficiency is obviously another story altogether.

Right with the cargo but as far as the J and Y cabin, I think he was saying that DL would have been at a disadvantage against QF deploying the 744 in it's former state. With lie-flat beds and PTVs in Y, it is now competitive.
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 47):
With lie-flat beds and PTVs in Y, it is now competitive.

Absolutely...i've personally flown on the newly reconfigured -400's in BE and was quite impressed. Coach looks pretty nice as well, and with the forthcoming Wifi i'd wager to say the refurbished -400's are as good as any other coach hard product out there today.
 
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RE: DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete

Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 43):
744 CASM is less than 77L,

Whut?

Are you sure? 77L has similar economics to 772. Only very slightly higher fuel costs per trip.
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