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G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:43 pm

G4 announced another new destination from AZA. Beginning in September, G4 will fly from AZA - OGD 2X per week. Intro fares begin at $69.99. I don't think this was on anyone's radar, but good to see another flight added at AZA. More details in the link below:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NowDeparting/165311
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:36 pm

Ogden and Allegiant were in talks in 2007 about OGD-LAS but Allegiant decided that route would not be profitable due to competing LAS flights at SLC.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/busines.../1029749/las_vegas_flights_a_nogo/

It will be interesting to see how much of a factor SLC service will be for AZA-OGD.
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:58 pm

What makes LAS and AZA different for OGD? There are three airlines in PHX that offer service to SLC and two of the airlines have a hub operation in PHX. Interesting indeed
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:10 pm

I'm a little surprised that OGD got this service ahead of PVU. Ever since F9 started PVU-DEN I've been hearing rumors about G4 launching PVU-AZA and/or PVU-LAX. Any low-cost flights from Arizona to the greater SLC area will fill up fast. The question in my mind is whether G4 will make any money selling their travel packages in that market. The Mesa area in particular has a large Mormon population, many of whom have family connections in Utah and vice-versa, and there is a lot of price-sensitive back-and-forth travel that goes on as a result. I would expect a PVU-AZA route to fill up entirely with BYU students from Mesa going back and forth to visit their families -- maybe that is exactly the reason that G4 didn't go with PVU.
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:13 pm

The Salt Lake Tribune's report on it suggests that Ogden is hoping to bring in some destination traffic as well. OGD is positioned well to serve ski resorts and some other recreational opportunities. It may not happen right away, but I wouldn't be surprised to see F9 or even UA add regular flights to OGD at some point in time. The business base in Ogden has grown a lot in recent years, mostly coming from the outdoor recreation industry. Ski companies like Salomon, Atomic and Rossignol have operations there, together with quite a few other related industries. There are also manufacturing facilities there producing things like automotive airbag components and aircraft parts. ATK's nearby facilities do a lot of work for NASA and the aerospace industry. Major components of the A350 are being built there. I'm sure that the business base there would love to get regular flights at the home-town airport.

quote from http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_08_31_2011_p01-02-364702.xml :
"The $100 million facility forms the new headquarters for ATK Aerospace Structures’ commercial aircraft programs and will make all the stringers and 50% of the frames for the A350, as well as the rear fan case for its Trent XWB engine. It also will produce the fan containment cases for the GEnx-2B. The 615,000 square ft. manufacturing site is sized to make more than 10,000 parts per month at rate production levels, and assumes the work undertaken at the nearby Clearfield facility which will now be focused on making military components, primarily for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."

More:
http://www.ogdencity.com/en/doing_business.aspx?p=1
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:50 pm

Ogden just last week applied for $200,000 SCASD grant monies to assist with the new Allegiant service.

2012 DOT Small Community Air Service Grants (by LAXintl May 16 2012 in Civil Aviation)#menu52

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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:50 am

So does this new service make Salt Lake/Wasatch Front the smallest US metro area with 3 airports providing scheduled air service?
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:23 pm

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 6):
So does this new service make Salt Lake/Wasatch Front the smallest US metro area with 3 airports providing scheduled air service?

Here are the 2011 population estimates for the four Wasatch Front metro areas defined by the census bureau:

Salt Lake: 1,145,905
Provo-Orem: 540,834
Ogden-Clearfield: 555,916
Logan: 127,549

Combined total: 2,370,204

The total catchment area for SLC is larger than that, taking in parts of Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, and southern Utah. The total population served by SLC is probably over 2.5M, although it is quite large geographically. Can anybody name something smaller?

Of course, PVU only has 1 daily flight, and OGD was just announced for 2x weekly, so it's pretty minimal outside of the primary airport.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 4):
It may not happen right away, but I wouldn't be surprised to see F9 or even UA add regular flights to OGD at some point in time.

The more I think about this, AS seems to be a logical option for future OGD service. They are a major player in the west, but don't currently serve SLC, relying on their DL code-shares to get Utah traffic. I could see them trying out routes to either LAX or SEA out of OGD at some point. The DL FF base there certainly wouldn't complain about it, as long as DL didn't put up a fuss.
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 7):
AS seems to be a logical option for future OGD service. They are a major player in the west, but don't currently serve SLC, relying on their DL code-shares to get Utah traffic. I could see them trying out routes to either LAX or SEA out of OGD at some point. The DL FF base there certainly wouldn't complain about it, as long as DL didn't put up a fuss.


The key question is whether AS believes they can pick up incremental customers by adding OGD or would it just cannibalize their SLC flight.

IMO, secondary airports provide a unique opportunity for new entrants into a particular market. However, I would suspect that carriers that currently serve a specific market would experience cannibalization of their existing flights from the primary airports when they start serving secondary airports in the same market. I could see LA/NYC/MIA metro areas as the few exceptions to this rule.
 
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
The key question is whether AS believes they can pick up incremental customers by adding OGD or would it just cannibalize their SLC flight.

AS currently does not serve SLC; they only codeshare on DL flights.

It's great to see scheduled airline service from OGD.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
The Mesa area in particular has a large Mormon population, many of whom have family connections in Utah and vice-versa, and there is a lot of price-sensitive back-and-forth travel that goes on as a result.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 1):
Ogden and Allegiant were in talks in 2007 about OGD-LAS but Allegiant decided that route would not be profitable due to competing LAS flights at SLC.

One advantage with flying to AZA instead of LAS is driving distance. OGD is about a 6.5 hour drive from LAS, but driving to PHX/AZA is probably closer to 10 hours.
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RE: G4 Announces AZA-OGD

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 4):
redzeppelin

Are the makers of Jetways still in the area?
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