The777Man
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How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:04 pm

Hi !

How many FL 73Gs have been converted to WN ? Are they flying any specific routes or any WN route ? Any difference in configuration ?

Thanks for any info !

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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:07 pm

I know of one so far but that was as of a few weeks back.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
Hi !

How many FL 73Gs have been converted to WN ? Are they flying any specific routes or any WN route ? Any difference in configuration ?

Thanks for any info !

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IIRC about 5 with new Evo interior??
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
Are they flying any specific routes or any WN route ?

Hard to say... basic answer is no, it's a -700 and will fly any route to any city needed. It can be swapped out with any plane, except for an -800. However, it does hold 143 and may get special treatment to be placed on certain routes such as LAX-MDW, LAS-BWI, etc, where WN can fill every seat no matter how many seats they put on a plane.

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
Any difference in configuration ?

Nope, it'll be 143 seats on board with the new Evolve interior. A WN 737 with the new interior will look the same as a converted FL 737.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:47 pm

Thanks for the info!

So only one so far ? Any idea how many that will be done by the end of the year ?

These converted 73Gs are flown by any crew or mainly ex-FL crew ?

Thenks !

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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:49 pm

I show 4 FL 737's now converted
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 4):
These converted 73Gs are flown by any crew or mainly ex-FL crew ?

They are now WN planes flown by WN pilots on WN routes. The converted plane's life with FL is over once it goes into the hangar.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 6):

What happens to the pilots are they now WN pilots
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 7):
What happens to the pilots are they now WN pilots

My question as well. Is there anything contractually that prevents WN from possibly moving every FL aircraft over and then just furloughing FL pilots? Moving planes over before you have the lists integrated seems like a bad deal for FL pilots.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 7):
What happens to the pilots are they now WN pilots

They use a formula for each plane it takes x amount of crew fa and captain to operate that plane. There is 1-2 classes in Dallas training now who are former FL. As they take over more planes more will go over. F/a's is 375 for this year (though rumor has it maybe more possibly) and more pilots are going over as the MKE pilot base closes they will head over which is causing a bit of hub bub with pilots in other bases.

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 8):
My question as well. Is there anything contractually that prevents WN from possibly moving every FL aircraft over and then just furloughing FL pilots? Moving planes over before you have the lists integrated seems like a bad deal for FL pilots.

List is "integrated" they just haven't all moved over yet as FL has to continue operating for the near future. Also if any Airtran Pilot or flight attendant is furloughed then they cannot hire anyone new from the street into those respective positions till all the FL people are back so it would hamper the expected growth not to mention go against everything they have said since this deal has been announced
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:16 am

Courtesy of Planespotters the four aircraft that have so far transferred over are:

N126AT -> N7714B fn7714 Y143 lsf GECAS, rr 15 March 2012
N166AT -> N7702A fn7702 Y143 rr 11 April 2012
N288AT -> N7726A fn7726 Y143 rr 14 June 2012
N292AT -> N7730A fn 7730 Y143 rr 13 June 2012
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:41 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 10):

Courtesy of Planespotters the four aircraft that have so far transferred over are:

N126AT -> N7714B fn7714 Y143 lsf GECAS, rr 15 March 2012
N166AT -> N7702A fn7702 Y143 rr 11 April 2012
N288AT -> N7726A fn7726 Y143 rr 14 June 2012
N292AT -> N7730A fn 7730 Y143 rr 13 June 2012

Thanks for the info!

How many are expected to be transferred by the end of the year ? When is the process supposed to be complete ?

Thanks !

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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 10):
Courtesy of Planespotters the four aircraft that have so far transferred over are:

N126AT -> N7714B fn7714 Y143 lsf GECAS, rr 15 March 2012
N166AT -> N7702A fn7702 Y143 rr 11 April 2012
N288AT -> N7726A fn7726 Y143 rr 14 June 2012
N292AT -> N7730A fn 7730 Y143 rr 13 June 2012

So they're changing the registration numbers, too? Sheesh...really making a point to bury any trace of FL's identity, eh?
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:02 pm

What on GOD's green earth is taking this merger/acquisition so much time to get rolling....at this point in the process Delta had all of the former NWA planes repainted and all of the signange changed out. I realize more often than not airline mergers are a slow and tedious process, but this one seems to be moving at a glacial pace.
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13):
What on GOD's green earth is taking this merger/acquisition so much time to get rolling....at this point in the process Delta had all of the former NWA planes repainted and all of the signange changed out.

DL and NW were very similar airlines with very similar products, WN and FL not so much. The integration of the two companies is moving right along. Just about all of the work groups have single senority lists and a good chunk of HQ employees are WN employees now.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13):
What on GOD's green earth is taking this merger/acquisition so much time to get rolling....at this point in the process Delta had all of the former NWA planes repainted and all of the signange changed out. I realize more often than not airline mergers are a slow and tedious process, but this one seems to be moving at a glacial pace.

  
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:14 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 14):
The integration of the two companies is moving right along. Just about all of the work groups have single senority lists and a good chunk of HQ employees are WN employees now.

I'm really speaking of the things the general public see on a daily basis...planes/signage specifically.
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 16):
I'm really speaking of the things the general public see on a daily basis...planes/signage specifically.

Because FL and WN will each be run separately until all planes are converted. A big reason for it slowing down is that the WN and FL reservation systems cannot talk to one another. This will be corrected with the help of Amadeus. Also WN needs the current FL res system to continue to make and operate international reservations and flights.


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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 13):
What on GOD's green earth is taking this merger/acquisition so much time to get rolling..

While there are many issues, it seems to be computer reservations systems are the main problem.

Neither system allows code sharing/interlining. So you can't book a FL flight and have it show up in WNs system (or vice versa) - like CO/UA operated until March of this year.

WNs system is old and antiquated and publicly admitted to being a hindrance in a lack of international flying and even international code shares.

FLs system is much more modern, but from what I hear here a down level (older, less features) version of a modern res system. Several people has asked why can't FL just upgrade to the newer version - but I have not seen a good reason.

My guess is they would have to upgrade FL to the later system, then migrate all of WN to FLs system, then move the data center from ATL to DAL - I think the folks in DAL want to upgrade their system, then migrate all of FL on to WNs system.

It has been publicly announced that code sharing won't happen until 2013 - and until then FL and WN need to be stand alone airlines.
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:54 pm

Quoting ADent (Reply 18):
It has been publicly announced that code sharing won't happen until 2013 - and until then FL and WN need to be stand alone airlines.

That's the most unacceptable part. I know IT systems can't be integrated overnight, but the fact that it's taking years and that it seems no one in charge of the deal realized what a big deal that was is truly mind-boggling. I really can't believe more heads haven't rolled because no one seemed to ask enough questions on that front when the deal was being hammered out.
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting ADent (Reply 18):

Neither system allows code sharing/interlining.

Not true. FL's system does.

Quoting ADent (Reply 18):
like CO/UA operated until March of this year.

Once again, not true. CO and UA were codesharing long before March.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting ADent (Reply 18):
It has been publicly announced that code sharing won't happen until 2013 - and until then FL and WN need to be stand alone airlines.

That's the most amazing part of all this. It will be around 3 years since the buyout was announced before there's even code sharing between the 2 (or is it 1?) airlines....we're probably looking at sometime into 2015 before the former Airtran ceasese to exist for all intents and purposes. For an airline that seemed to be so efficient and well-run before this buyout, i can't help but think Southwest didn't do enough due dilligence ahead of time regarding this apparent boondogle.
 
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:58 pm

Just curious, why is WN changing the regs? The only mergers in the USA that I can recalll that did that was any of the multiple USAir/US Airways mergers.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:22 pm

It's a buyout, not a merger.
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RE: How Many FL 73Gs Converted To WN?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:58 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 22):
Just curious, why is WN changing the regs? The only mergers in the USA that I can recalll that did that was any of the multiple USAir/US Airways mergers.

Some registrations numbers were duplicated. Such as N949AT & N949WN. Internally we track our planes by the tail number and the tail number up until recently matched the registration. But that system is now changing due to the acquisition along the amount of aircraft coming online.

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