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Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:50 pm

Cabin crew, air marshals and passengers subdued the attackers who attempted to intrude the cockpit in order to hijack the aircraft.
The airline reported 92 passengers and 9 crew were on board when 6 criminals attempted to violently intrude the cockpit. The attackers were subdued in combined efforts of cabin crew and passengers, crew and passengers received minor injuries in the fight. An investigation is under way.

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http://www.avherald.com/h?article=451e452c&opt=0

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:54 pm

Beautiful. Kudos to the PAX & Crew who had the courage of resisting.

Now let's see who these hijackers were and what were their motives.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:00 pm

Congrats to the passengers and crew of GS 7554!

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 1):

Now let's see who these hijackers were and what were their motives.

The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting ,reply=0]Local Authorities reported the six hijackers, who were wearing airline staff uniforms, were identified to be Uighur men, their motives are under investigation.
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Hm, airline staff uniforms. Interesting.

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The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Care to elaborate for those of us who have no idea what you're referring too?
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):

The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Yeah, I agree, this is always a very volatile area of China. Xinjiang often goes unnoticed by the people who focus on Tibet.

The scariest part is that they were apparently wearing staff uniforms!

[Edited 2012-06-29 07:21:41]
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:26 pm

Kudos to the crew and passengers involved in this incident, but may I ask why there were 9 crew on a E190? Is it just me or is that massive overkill? Presumably there were 2 flight deck crew (maybe even three let's say) - that still leaves 6-7 cabin crew on a regional aircraft...

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
Care to elaborate for those of us who have no idea what you're referring too?

Not sure about Hotan, but Urumqi is in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China in the far northwest of the country. There has been an independence struggle there for many years, and has been much more tumultuous than the struggle Tibet has been fighting as well. Like Tibet, the ethnic Uyghur population of Xinjiang differ quite a bit from the majority Han population. Tensions between Urumqi and Beijing have been rising over the past several years. Lot more to both sides of the story regarding this fight, but that's for the Non-Av forums I suppose.
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 6):
may I ask why there were 9 crew on a E190? Is it just me or is that massive overkill? Presumably there were 2 flight deck crew (maybe even three let's say) - that still leaves 6-7 cabin crew on a regional aircraft...

I'm only guessing here, but maybe they are counting the air marshals as "crew". It is clear that there were air marshal(s) on board and they did their job.

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:10 pm

Hotan is very near the China-India-Pakistan contested border.

The flight would be a distance of about 539 nm

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?DU=nm&MS=wls&P=ZWTN-ZWWW&SG=454&SU=kts

Hotan has also been the scene of some violence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack

[Edited 2012-06-29 08:12:45]
 
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Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):

Yeah, I agree, this is always a very volatile area of China. Xinjiang often goes unnoticed by the people who focus on Tibet.

Correct, and also below the radar was the Uighur suicide attempt on China Southern 6901 back in 2008.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers27%5Cpaper2654.html

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Indeed.

Without any other information, it would seem that like another East Turkestani separatist movement ploy (CZ 6901 being the last aviation related incident). Perhaps relating to the recent developments re: Kadeer Trade Center and the Akida Trade Center? (completely speculation)

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:10 pm

Looks like pax have had it with getting hijacked recently. good for all of them!
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:13 am

Some more details from Chinese media (sorry no English links)

1. The weapons used by the attempted hijackers were sharpened wooden bars, which were assembled into walking sticks, allowing them to evade airport security.

2. There happened to be some 20 policemen among the passengers. They were attending a training session. They assisted the two air marshals on board.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:39 am

This goes to show that society, from sea to sea, will not allow terrorists to intimidate and strike against us with impunity.

The following posts on av-herald sum up the fate of the 6 scumbags:

"They'll be organ donors before long."
"Those guys have got no chance. dead men walking"
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:18 am

The days of kooks hijacking planes just to go someplace are OVER. It is now a matter of life or death with these lunatics anymore. Good for the pax and crew.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:30 am

This should send a message to would-be hijackers that the innocent people of this world will no longer tolerate their actions. We will die fighting rather that die cowering in our seats. Well done pax and crew!
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:54 am

Passengers all know that if hijacked we could be smashed into buildings and killed anyway. So taking action and defeating hijackers is the only course of action these days. Makes being a hijacker totally pointless because you will lose.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:12 pm

That's the way to deal with it. Kudos!!!
Fight it for yourself, cause no one is going to fight it for you!!!
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:06 pm

Sidenote: The Chinese government will be quite happy with this event. Ever since September 11th, they have tried to frame the Uyghur-Han conflict as part of the international war against Muslim terrorism, rather than an occupied people's struggle for freedom, as which it could also be seen. Events like this hijacking attempt are tremendously helpful in this reframing process, as evidenced by comments in this thread as well:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 13):

This goes to show that society, from sea to sea, will not allow terrorists to intimidate and strike against us with impunity.

And of course, the other side will integrate the event into a wider conspiracy theory:

Quote:
The exiled World Uyghur Congress (WUC) disputed the government version of events, claiming that a fight over seating broke out onboard the aircraft between a group of Uighurs and Han Chinese, who vastly outnumbered them.

“The Uighurs of Hotan believe that this story about taking hostages is a lie,” Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the organisation told AFP.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...c14e434fd73d92a227b0d3eaba8bf6.691

For an outsider, there's no way of knowing what really happened - but anyway it's more important who's got the better story to tell.  
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 18):
Ever since September 11th, they have tried to frame the Uyghur-Han conflict as part of the international war against Muslim terrorism, rather than an occupied people's struggle for freedom, as which it could also be seen.

I disagree with two aspects of this statement. Firstly, even to this date, the Chinese government is reluctant to acknowledge Uighur-Han conflict, trying not to offend the native Uighur population while placating the Han in Xinjiang, who are somewhat angry over the many concessions the Uighurs receive as a result of being a "minority ethinic group" and the violence inflicted upon them (Han). You certainly do not see the government crying out loud to CNN/BBC etc about Muslim violence unless the conflict was fairly major. Adding to that, there is another ethnic group in China, the Hui people, who also practise Islam. They generally get on well with the Han, and the government is at pains to avoid linking muslims with terrorism, preferring to single out the separatist East Turkestan movement as the perpetrators.
The second point I disagree with is "the occupied people's struggle". The world is littered with ethnic groups who were indigenous to the land that now forms part of countries inhabited by other ethnic groups. Xinjiang has been under Chinese central government rule for some 200 years. If, god forbid, American Indians or Australian Aboriginal people start to hijack commercial airliners with the aim of either flying them into buildings or blowing them up mid-air, or indiscriminately stab, cut or behead people of other ethnicity in public places, I would like see how many would regard this as occupied people's struggle.

Quoting Rara (Reply 18):
For an outsider, there's no way of knowing what really happened - but anyway it's more important who's got the better story to tell.

If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking, in a leadership transition year which usually means "stability" trumps many other considerations, then I have a nice beach house in Hotan to sell you.

[Edited 2012-06-30 07:38:51]
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 17):
That's the way to deal with it. Kudos!!!
Fight it for yourself, cause no one is going to fight it for you!!!

Sad reality, but we learned the hard way with the events of 9/11, there is no way that the authorities on the ground can deal with people who is already determined to die "for the cause", the Flight 93 is the best example and the hard proof of how real this is and how the people should act, fight for your life !!


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Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking, in a leadership transition year which usually means "stability" trumps many other considerations, then I have a nice beach house in Hotan to sell you.

If you believe that the CCP-controlled media wouldn't lie when it suits their purposes, then I have some Chinese-made baby formula to sell you. And it definitely suits their purposes to make 'splittist' Uighurs look like terrorists. Every time there is a clash of any sort between Uighurs and the police or ethnic Hans, it is labeled as a terrorist attack in Chinese media.

It also seems fishy that there just happened to be 20 policemen and two air marshals, plus 9 crew, on an E190. If that's true, these were the dumbest hijackers ever. Not that hijackers in any case are particularly smart, but they must have been exceptionally stupid to not put their attack off until they boarded a flight that didn't look like a military parade.

I'm not saying it wasn't a hijacking attempt (and to be sure I'm glad that if it was, it wasn't a successful), but I don't trust China's state-controlled media enough to feel confident that we're hearing the truth.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation
Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):
If you believe that the CCP-controlled media wouldn't lie

While respecting both of your rights to opposing views - I think you, and all of us, can agree that we will never hear a completely unbiased, factually accurate description of what occurred.

It was reported as an attempted hijacking.

Personally, I don' think any post 9/11 passenger activism would come into play for any flight in that part of the world.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

And it is a discussion for the Non-Aviation forum - please.
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 22):
And it is a discussion for the Non-Aviation forum - please.

Indeed, so I hope I can get away with just two last remarks...

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
The second point I disagree with is "the occupied people's struggle".

Note that I didn't take that position. I said that it could be framed as such, and that a major strategy of the Chinese government to "win" the conflict is by reframing it as simple terrorism. Comparison with the Tibet conflict really shows the power of reframing. Objectively the cases are very similar - in both cases we have a ethnic minority, a history of occupation and a strong religious component. Yet the Tibetan cause enjoys huge sympathies in the West and is commonly seen as the just struggle of an occupied ethnicity for freedom.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking

My belief is not so relevant. For the record, I do believe that there actually was a hijacking attempt. But I wouldn't bet my life on it.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
the government is at pains to avoid linking muslims with terrorism, preferring to single out the separatist East Turkestan movement as the perpetrators.

Duly noted. Quite correct.
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Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:55 pm

This is an aviation issue so should stay here.

I can't believe any anyone would take sides with the cause of a bunch of hijackers.

The statement by the association that it was an argument over seats is the funniest thing ever. Hainan air offer allocated seating, and to think this would still be simmering after take off on a not 100% full flight is Beyond the realm of stupid

Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):

I was on a flight from Madrid to Stansted where the person on the opposite aisle to me started beating the crap out of his wife.

What he didn't know was that there were 25 police officers onboard who were at a conference in Madrid for three days.

Chinese police officers are not the macho weight lifting types, so probably don't fit your military vision of six pack fantastic marines.

[Edited 2012-06-30 17:19:05]
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Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:02 am

There are two factors that led to the upgrade in Chinese airport security. One was 9/11 and the other was the repeated hijacking attempts in Xinjiang. Someone close to me was in the communication area in China. Prior to 9/11 they were ordered not to report these hijacking incidents, some involving children in an attempt to evade security and bring explosives on board.

Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):
Chinese-made baby formula

Nothing wrong with most Chinese formula, I grew up on those. We can discuss the recent brouhaha but then it would be off-topic.

Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):
If you believe that the CCP-controlled media wouldn't lie when it suits their purposes

Sure, but show me a place where media do not lie. There are newspapers that write nothing but crap in Hong Kong, and there are major newspapers here in Australia that I would not touch with a barge pole if I was looking for truth and unbiased reporting. What I am saying is that there is no incentive for them to lie about this event in this environment/year if it is really only arguments about seating.

Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):
It also seems fishy

The 2 air marshals were part of the crew, which also include the pilots and the flight attendants. It is not like they had 9 Arnold Schwarzenegger on board. The policemen from the photos were in plain clothes as one would expect, because they were actually not supposed to be on duty.

Quoting Rara (Reply 23):
by reframing it as simple terrorism

I know what you mean, but there is really no need for reframing
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Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 25):
Sure, but show me a place where media do not lie.

It is really sad people in the "free" world do not want to believe they are lied to and they are brainwashed, especially when it comes to "foreign" affairs. Often, you hear a story but you don't hear the complete story, or a story only told by one side. Considering what I know about U.S. average education, I am not sure how many could exercise their 'critical'/'analytical" thinking.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:47 pm

The latest is that 2 hijackers have died at the hospital due to injuries . There is no official detail on how they died, but rumor they might have succumbed to injuries incurred during the scuffle with the crew and passengers.



From the Dailymail, "[t]wo men suspected of trying to hijack a flight in China were beaten to death by passengers."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eath-passengers.html#ixzz1zVKnEhyw
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:39 am

You are 100 times more likely to catch a cold on a flight than an average person!
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:09 pm

Latest News related with this ( really amazing news IMHO ) :

Hainan Airlines, local authorities and the Government of China are rewarding the passengers and crew of the flight GS7554 who prevented the hijacking attempt days ago.
22 passengers were rewarded with free flights for life in the airline. Another 10 passengers, received from the Xinjiang authorities a cash reward of USD 15.000.
The rewards were even better for the crew members : Cash for USD 157.000, Houses, and cars, plus some more cash from diverse origins.

Saving your own life, the life of others, and a rain of cash and gifts.... that is what I call a good couple of weeks !!!    

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Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 29):
22 passengers were rewarded with free flights for life in the airline.

That is just crazy. Have they learned nothing from American Airline's debacle with AAirpass?
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:59 pm

Oh but this is China, I'm sure that there will be tonnes of restrictions... if this reward is actually real that is.
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:04 pm

Way to go! The days of a successful hijacking are long gone. Everyone gets involved in stopping it, and it has so far proven effective. I would rather die fighting these bastards, than being a victim.
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