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WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:08 am

WN will be releasing their latest schedules on JUL 9. Any speculation on possible new cities to be announced? This new release would be good through mid-February 2013. Any chance for Hawaii or Puerto Rico announcements?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:31 am

If anything, expect more FL flights transitioned to WN. MKE especially, since WN seems about halfway there already, and maybe some MCO/BWI as well.

I will be pleasantly surprised with the announcement of any new city or city-pair additions.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:31 pm

I highly doubt any HI or SJU since the FA's voted down their "Near Intl" (including SJU) TA recently and thus we can't even start overwater training until that's all hammered out. Since there's no definitive time-line on that I doubt they'll make a service announcement.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:09 pm

FL has several birds that are ETOPS certified, don't they? Maybe they'll start HI on their ETOPS -700's.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
If anything, expect more FL flights transitioned to WN. MKE especially, since WN seems about halfway there already, and maybe some MCO/BWI as well.

I will be pleasantly surprised with the announcement of any new city or city-pair additions.

I agree with OZ....perhaps more FL>WN migration but thats about it. As much as I would love to see new city pairs announced, the 9 July release would mean October-December flying....kind of a bad time to start up new routes. Only caveat is seasonal sun destination stuff.....WN never really chased that in the past (other than adjusting frequencies) but we all know that todays WN isnt your dads WN  
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
FL has several birds that are ETOPS certified, don't they? Maybe they'll start HI on their ETOPS -700's.

I thought FL had over-water equipped aircraft, but not ETOPS. Can someone clarify?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
Maybe they'll start HI on their ETOPS -700's.

No doubt they will announce nonstop DSM-HNL as their first Hawaii route.

  
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):
Only caveat is seasonal sun destination stuff.....WN never really chased that in the past (other than adjusting frequencies) but we all know that todays WN isnt your dads WN.

You got that right!

I will continue to hope to see SAN-ATL begin sometime in 2013 but I'm not holding my breath. As said earlier, Jan/Feb is not the time to expect to see much in the way of new p-2-p routes started by any carrier.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
As said earlier, Jan/Feb is not the time to expect to see much in the way of new p-2-p routes started by any carrier.

Unless it's Alaska. The State awakes from its Winter slumber, preparing for the Summer tourism season early to mid May
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:22 pm

I could see an announcment for some near intl flying with FL metal, but I dont see anything major coming from the WN side. Seems to be in the short term the WN FAs may have cheated themselves out of additional trips and handed them to the FL side. . .well see. . . .
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:47 pm

If a new city is announced I would think it would be non-stop from/to ATL. Looking at the WN interactive route map i saw twelve non-stop locations from the ATL. ATL-BNA has to be on the shortlist in that BNA is a focus city for WN.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 5):
I thought FL had over-water equipped aircraft, but not ETOPS. Can someone clarify?

Correct. No ETOPS, only over-water raft equipped.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:34 pm

I have a feeling it won't be anything earth shattering. They're only extending from the beginning of January until mid February, a very slow time of year for most airlines.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 10):


ATL-BNA has to be on the shortlist in that BNA is a focus city for WN.

IMHO that route would be way down on the list as BNA doesn't really need an ATL connection to access the WN system.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:47 pm

Something to do with CLT
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
BNA doesn't really need an ATL connection to access the WN system.

Do any of the WN ATL routes need an ATL connection to access the WN system?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:49 am

STL comes to my mind

I think we'll see less STL-bound flights when their new schedule unfolds

Not my big but small speculation

[Edited 2012-07-02 17:54:25]
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:03 am

I think that we all know DEN almost always seems to get something new......

Gotta stay competitive there and kick some bu** with UA and especially F9, huh?

 
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:58 am

Hey MD,

I feel it's time for the big one. HNL, OGG, KOA announcemet for 1Q2013. Even though the FA vote down the Oversea/Int'l package, I feel that will be squared off by SEP.

As for FL/WN transition. CLT, ROC, RIC or ITC soon.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:12 am

I think Oak might get a new destination
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting September11 (Reply 16):
STL comes to my mind

I think we'll see less STL-bound flights when their new schedule unfolds

Not my big but small speculation

Okay....thanks for the backup on your part.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:21 am

I for one would like to see MDW-DCA. Transferring the flights from MKE down to MDW. And maybe MDW-SJU on FL metal.  
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 14):
Something to do with CLT

And I wouldn't mind MDW-CLT announced.  

[Edited 2012-07-02 19:34:18]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:24 am

ATL-SAN and a new route for HOU.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:33 am

I wonder what the odds are for TPA-GSP. Allegiant seems to do well with PIE-GSP.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting N211BW (Reply 18):
I feel it's time for the big one. HNL, OGG, KOA announcemet for 1Q2013. Even though the FA vote down the Oversea/Int'l package, I feel that will be squared off by SEP.

I totally agree. I think that the FA package can be resolved in enough time to start service sometime next year, since we now have the ETOPS -800s.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:23 am

I also think there may be something regarding DCA and integration, especially with the AUS flt starting soon.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:40 am

With only 11 737700 planes being converted and the other 41 737700 FL planes being kept as FL for 2yrs for international flying. I think you will see more Mexico and Caribbean flying added.
The last few domestic FL cities like GRR,FNT,ROC,CLT,ICT,RIC,PWM and DCA will get one or two flights connecting to the WN network ...SJU service announcement will probably be held off until the FA work group vote on another side letter.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:46 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):


Do any of the WN ATL routes need an ATL connection to access the WN system?

Nope. Right now it's ATL accessing the WN system. Until the ATL/FL system is fully absorbed, ATL is just a glorified spoke. And BNA of all places probably doesn't need the ATL connection, they've been doing fine on their own. When the dust is finally settled on this transaction, we might see BNA-ATL on WN, but it won't be a high priority on WN in the short term.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
Until the ATL/FL system is fully absorbed, ATL is just a glorified spoke.

Agreed.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 27):
And BNA of all places probably doesn't need the ATL connection, they've been doing fine on their own.

But why not give ATL the BNA connection and - while I know it's going out of style - stimulate the local market. ATL-BNA is less than half as large as ATL-CLT, so there's a lot of potential upside for local traffic.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28):


But why not give ATL the BNA connection and - while I know it's going out of style - stimulate the local market. ATL-BNA is less than half as large as ATL-CLT, so there's a lot of potential upside for local traffic.

I could see at 3-4 flights a day eventually, I just don't think it's a high priority in the short term. Once the ATL conversion to WN is underway I don't doubt that route will pop up sometime down the road.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 26):
With only 11 737700 planes being converted and the other 41 737700 FL planes being kept as FL for 2yrs for international flying.



Where were these numbers posted?

[Edited 2012-07-03 07:21:28]

[Edited 2012-07-03 07:21:45]
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:23 pm

ATL-FLL
ATL-SAN
ATL-TPA

BWI-GRR
BWI-PWM

DEN-DSM

HOU-RSW

MDW-DAY
MDW-DCA

MKE-DCA (I think they keep it, at reduced frequency)
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:29 pm

All I see happening is just more flights being transfered to WN. With 1 airplane, a lot can be accomplished as they utilize it to its maximum. Maybe 7 flights? Depends on what legs it operates. Anyways, I expect a few more flights out of MKE as they have showed empathy for the huge F9 drawback. I also see a couple of more routes out of ATL as well as a few Florida flights. Nothing substantial in the West Coast as far as I'm concerned. Maybe a few frequencies here and there and a few transfers from certain routes to other stations.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 31):
DEN-DSM

I've actually heard it may be awhile before DSM picks up any additional WN routes, but a surprise like this wouldn't, um, surprise me, haha.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
BNA doesn't really need an ATL connection to access the WN system.

My speculation of ATL-BNA city pair being on a short list was more-so based on the fact that WN has connected ATL to its other larger operating bases including BWI, MDW, PHX non-stop. While I realize BNA is not a BWI, MDW or PHX it is a significant operation.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:52 pm

ATL-TPA seems logical to me aswell. TPA, althoughnot many cinnections, has around 86 daily flights!
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 34):


While I realize BNA is not a BWI, MDW or PHX it is a significant operation.

No argument there, I just wonder if the close proximity between BNA and ATL will justify a link in the near future. Plus if the most recent revelations about WN's ATL plans (fewer flights than FL) will negate the need for it short term.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 16):
STL comes to my mind

I think we'll see less STL-bound flights when their new schedule unfolds

Not my big but small speculation

Interesting, the rumor mill has almost uniformly suggested the opposite. Also, the rumor (probably to be confirmed by the end of the day) that WN has picked up NK's DCA slots to operate 2x daily STL-DCA would seem to suggest STL is still on the upswing rather than a loser in the near future.

Edit: I should clarify - Southwest's request to slide the slots to a commercially viable time became official today, I can't imagine DOT approval of the request should take exceptionally long.

[Edited 2012-07-03 11:24:10]
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:42 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 16):
I think we'll see less STL-bound flights when their new schedule unfolds.
Quoting steex (Reply 37):
...seem to suggest STL is still on the upswing rather than a loser in the near future.


As related to these 2 comments, I'm still trying to figure out the situation with the on-again-off-again flight between SAN and STL. This is not a seasonal route, but a very consistent year-round O&D market with the traffic to support at least one daily nonstop. (PLUS all the connecting pax that should now be available with the growth at Lambert Field.)
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And with both SAN and STL being good-sized WN stations, I really don't see why the carrier has started and stopped this single flight a few times last year and this. My assumption is that they have something "better" to do with the plane at cetain times of the year -- on truly seasonal routes.

I've seen it in other markets and I wouldn't be totally surprised if someone else jumps in with a permanent, year-round flight and doesn't keep playing games with it. It's a trend I don't understand and don't really like to see in WN -- part of the NEW Southwest, I guess.

As for this upcoming schedule extension, I would guess we will mostly see winter frequency reductions in many markets and maybe a new WN route or two. Not really anything major and I would be shocked to see the start of Hawaii service anytime before next April or May at the earliest.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
If anything, expect more FL flights transitioned to WN. MKE especially, since WN seems about halfway there already

As it stands now, by November WN will have taken over all of FL's MKE flights except for ATL, DCA, and some flights to Florida. FL is also going to be flying MKE-CUN/PVR/ZIH/MBJ/CZM/PUJ this winter for Funjet Vacations. Can anyone confirm that the two airlines will be consolidating in concourse C?
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 37):
Interesting, the rumor mill has almost uniformly suggested the opposite. Also, the rumor (probably to be confirmed by the end of the day) that WN has picked up NK's DCA slots to operate 2x daily STL-DCA would seem to suggest STL is still on the upswing rather than a loser in the near future.

Yeah -- I'm not sure why St. Louis would be losing a significant amount of service.

I'm not privy to information about how the station is performing, but last I checked we've seen LGA and SAT added and now DCA. Sure, some of it is because of the WA but I'd like to think some of the service is attributable to the market.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:12 pm

WN will be transitioning DAY flights shortly. It appeared here in the Dayton Daily News a few weeks ago. I wish I could find the article.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:23 pm

MSY needs another Southwest flight to the left coast. The return of OAK or SAN would be nice.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:33 pm

STL is moving upward in flights. AirTran is moving to Gate 29 in August, Freeing up gate E4 for SWA to use all day and evening, a new jetway is in the works for gate E24, that will give SWA gates E4-E24 in STL. There are many gates not used on the D Concourse and SWA could lease as many as they want but the operating expense in STL is far to high with those HIGH DOLLAR landing fees. Look for SWA to be close to 100 flights in the late Fall.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 43):
Look for SWA to be close to 100 flights in the late Fall.

Just curious, how many daily flights does SWA have out of STL currently?
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting UNITED91 (Reply 44):
Just curious, how many daily flights does SWA have out of STL currently?

WN is at 93 daily flights to 34 destinations for the summer. Presumably, that goes up to 95/35 if STL-DCA does come to fruition on 06 SEPT 12.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:45 pm

WN and branson entertainment group signed 5 year agreement for WN service starting next year.
WN going to take over all the FL flying in the spring.
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:04 pm

STL only has 90 flights per day on the current schedule.
 
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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 46):
WN and branson entertainment group signed 5 year agreement for WN service starting next year.
WN going to take over all the FL flying in the spring.

When FL's MDW-BKG service transitions over to WN, I'll bet WN will have the flight continue to DAL, providing a one-stop between MDW & DAL.

It's a pretty direct routing.

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RE: WN Route Speculation For Jul 9 Release?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:17 pm

I know everyone wants all airlines to have nonstops to their favorite cities from their home town.

I am though suprised that WN has no nonstops to OAK or SFO from STL considering that there is a single UA rountrip flight into SFO and previously there were as many as 6.

With the new DCA service added to LGA, BOS, EWR, BWI and PHL what's one of you experts' best guess at some connecting or through service from one of those cities to OAK or SFO via STL.

MCI has non stop service to OAK and is a smaller community.

Help me here.