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OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:47 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


9K ACK-BOS SEP 13>12 OCT 15>12
9K ACK-EWB SEP 7>6 OCT 10>7
9K ACK-HYA OCT 15>16
9K BOS-MVY SEP 11>10 OCT 15>12
9K BOS-PVC SEP 9>8 OCT 12>9
9K EWB-MVY OCT 5>4
9K HPN-HYA SEP 0.1>0.0

9W JFK-BRU SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

AA JFK-GRU OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>1.5
AA MIA-GGT AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA MIA-LRM AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.5 NOV 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-MHH AUG 1.2>1.0 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6 NOV 1.0>0.8
AA ORD-BNA SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
AA ORD-DFW SEP 18>17 OCT 18>17
AA ORD-PSP MAR 1.7>1.0

AC FLL-YOW DEC 0.5>0.4
AC FLL-YUL DEC 4>3
AC FLL-YYZ JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
AC HNL-YVR NOV 1.0>0.9
AC MCO-YHZ MAR 0.4>0.5
AC MCO-YOW JAN 0.4>0.2 FEB 0.4>0.3
AC MCO-YUL DEC 1.5>1.4 JAN 2>1.6 FEB 2>1.8
AC MCO-YYZ NOV 3>4 DEC 4>5
AC MIA-YYZ NOV 1.4>2
AC RSW-YYZ OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 2>1.1
AC TPA-YHZ JAN 0>0.2
AC TPA-YUL NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.4>0.3

*AS BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6

AT JFK-CMN NOV 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.8

DL ATL-MEX FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
*DL PDX-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
*DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
*DL SFO-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
**DL SLC-MEX SEP 0.5>0.0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0
DL SLC-RNO OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4

G4 SBY-SFB OCT 0.3>0.1
G4 SFB-SHV OCT 0.3>0.0

*HA HNL-BNE DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4

KS BHB-BOS SEP 4>0.5 OCT 0.9>0

LA SFO-LIM NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.7

*LO EWR-WAW NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.2>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0

Reverse of last week
*NK ACY-ATL SEP 0.1>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
**NK BWI-DFW SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
**NK BWI-FLL SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
Where did the slots go???
**NK DCA-FLL SEP 3>0.3 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
Wow, predicted they'd be in IAH, IAH-MEX next
**NK DFW-IAH SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

OZ CMH-ORD JAN 0.3>0.1
OZ LGA-ORD SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>0.7
OZ MSP-ORD SEP 0.5>1.4 OCT 0.4>1.4
OZ SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7

UA DEN-ABQ NOV 7>6
UA EUG-PDX NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA EWR-BUF NOV 5>6
UA EWR-CHS NOV 3>4
UA EWR-GRR NOV 1.6>3
UA EWR-GSP NOV 1.9>3
UA EWR-SAV NOV 1.9>3
UA EWR-YYZ OCT 10>9
UA IAH-ABQ NOV 5>4
UA IAH-BHM OCT 7>6
UA IAH-BRO AUG 5>4
UA IAH-BWI OCT 4>3
UA IAH-CLL OCT 5>4
UA IAH-CUN OCT 5>4
UA IAH-JAN OCT 6>5
UA IAH-LCH OCT 5>4
UA IAH-MFE OCT 9>8
UA IAH-PNS AUG 5>4
UA IAH-SJD OCT 2>1.7
UA IAH-TYR AUG 4>3
UA IAH-YEG OCT 1.8>1.7
UA LAX-ABQ NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7
UA LAX-BOI DEC 1.8>1.3
UA LAX-BOS NOV 1.7>0.9 DEC 1.9>1.4
UA LAX-DFW DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
UA LAX-IAD OCT 9>8
UA LAX-LAS OCT 5>6 NOV 4>5
UA LAX-LIH DEC 1.2>1.5
UA LAX-PIT OCT 1.0>0.5
UA ORD-ATW DEC 6>5
UA ORD-BOS NOV 9>8 DEC 9>7
UA ORD-BUF NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA ORD-CLE NOV 13>14
UA ORD-CMH NOV 6>7
UA ORD-FLL NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 2>1.5
UA ORD-LAS NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
UA ORD-LAX OCT 12>11 NOV 11>10 DEC 12>11
UA ORD-MIA NOV 3>2
UA ORD-PSP MAR 0>1.0
UA ORD-SAN NOV 5>4
UA ORD-SEA NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA ORD-SYR AUG 6>5
UA ORD-YQB OCT 1.9>2
UA ORD-YVR NOV 4>1.9 DEC 4>3
UA ORD-YYC NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
UA PDX-RDM FEB 3>2
UA SFO-BFL NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
UA SFO-EWR NOV 8>10
UA SFO-JFK OCT 6>7
UA SFO-LAS DEC 10>9
UA SFO-MFR NOV 7>6
UA SFO-ORD NOV 15>13 DEC 15>14
UA SFO-OTH NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA SFO-PDX NOV 9>8
UA SFO-PSC NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
UA SFO-RNO NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
UA SFO-SEA NOV 9>7 DEC 9>8
UA SFO-YEG NOV 1.9>1.8 DEC 2>1.4
UA SFO-YVR OCT 5>4
UA SFO-YYJ NOV 2.0>1.1 DEC 2>1.4

UN JFK-DME NOV 0.7>0.6
UN MIA-DME MAR 0.3>0.2

US CLT-CHA OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7

VS MCO-LGW MAR 2>1.8

WG ATL-CUN AUG 0.3>0.1 SEP 0.3>0.1
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:09 pm

Never thought I'd live to see IAH-BWI go to 3x daily. That's pretty low.

On the bright side it's crazy how UA will fly SFO-EWR at 10x daily in the fall.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 1):
Never thought I'd live to see IAH-BWI go to 3x daily. That's pretty low.

Does it usually go to 4x daily in the winter? It makes sense though, that's an example of a route whose transfer pax can be better carried over DEN or ORD.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PDX-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
*DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
*DL SFO-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7

Hmmm are these seasonal reductions, or are these going somewhere else?

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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:53 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 1):
On the bright side it's crazy how UA will fly SFO-EWR at 10x daily in the fall.

That is a crazy.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

Hmmm are these seasonal reductions, or are these going somewhere else?

I believe they are pretty normal, but they were not planned otherwise they would have already been selling the reduced schedule.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:16 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

UA DEN-ABQ NOV 7>6
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UA SFO-YYJ NOV 2.0>1.1 DEC 2>1.4

And this week, we see the UA hubs trending........

CLE no change
DEN   
EWR   
IAD no change
IAH         
LAX   
ORD   
SFO   

Well, I guess most NOV changes are cuts, except with to/from EWR flying southward.

And the right-sizing continues......

(And again, enilria, my friend, just another thanks for your efforts week in/week out with this, and a reminder that you do keep us entertained as well as informed here. I don't know what's gonna happen if one day..... for whatever reason..... maybe you just get tired of this and don't want to do this anymore, and will just stop? I'll probably have to go someplace where they can help me with my withdrawal symptoms...... So a    for your past efforts and a    so that you may keep on going a long, long time here with this gig.......)

 
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 5):

Minor changes though...

Not sure why UA gave back some of those EWR frequencies to GRR, SAV, BUF. Quite random, IMHO.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:21 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 1):
Never thought I'd live to see IAH-BWI go to 3x daily. That's pretty low.

On the bright side one of those frequencies is a 757:

IAH-BWI 2 A319, 1 757

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 1):
On the bright side it's crazy how UA will fly SFO-EWR at 10x daily in the fall.

Hub to Hub, 17 daily total from EWR and JFK to SFO.

EWR-SFO 4 A319, 3 737-800, 2 737-900, 1 757

JFK-SFO 7 757

I noticed a lot more A319s and A320s on Trans-Cons from EWR. UA has been flying them for years from IAD to the West Coast. The issue is they have less first class seats than sCO's 737-800s, not great for upgrades.

sCO 737-800s either have 16 or 20 First class seats, depending on which version. The UA A319s have 8 First Class seats, and their A320s have 12. Big difference in premium capacity. I feel UA should try to keep the Airbuses on the shorter routes and let the 737s handle the trans-Cons from EWR and IAD. Also the Airbuses lack Directv which is more of an issue on a Trans-Con than it is on EWR-TPA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-CLE NOV 13>14

I count 15 daily on October 25,

1 A320, 1 737-900, 10 CR7, 3 ERJ.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PDX-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
*DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
*DL SFO-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
I believe they are pretty normal, but they were not planned otherwise they would have already been selling the reduced schedule.

This is normal seasonal reductions, similar wo the day-of-the-week reductions they did over at least the past 2 winters on the West Coast - Asia routes.

Note that SEA-NRT, SEA-KIX, LAX-NRT, LAX-HND remain daily on the West Coast.

My guess is that initally DL was going to try to keep daily service this winter considering how the Pacific has been outperforming so far this year, but it looks like they've changed their mind recently, considering the continued economic uncertainty.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):

STT, I wouldn't look at the skeds for those flights too far in advance. They will change. They are likely dummy skeds.

UA has swapped planes this summer with only a weeks notice on certain routes.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):

STT, I wouldn't look at the skeds for those flights too far in advance.

Three months is not that far, it's pretty accurate.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):

No, it's not.

One time I checked EWR-LAX for June 7th a week out. It was all PMCO metal and a few days later reversed to 3-4 PMUA metal, and the rest PMCO. They change it up quite frequently.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:41 pm

Looking ahead to the October schedules there is a huge influx of sUA Airbuses and 757s into IAH.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:50 pm



Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Where did the slots go???
**NK DCA-FLL SEP 3>0.3 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0

Southwest bought them for DCA-STL.

[Edited 2012-07-03 09:51:33]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Where did the slots go???
**NK DCA-FLL SEP 3>0.3 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0

According to a different thread, WN just bought them.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK ACY-ATL SEP 0.1>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

So both ATL and BOS will stay until Nov 7th this year... our seasonal flights are at least staying longer this year, they used to stop after Labor Day..

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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Looking ahead to the October schedules there is a huge influx of sUA Airbuses and 757s into IAH.

More so than now? On which routes?
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 16):

Definitely more busses out of IAH. Not as many 757s. Overall IAH took some cuts.

Would take these fall schedules with a grain of salt. I'm sure the a/c types will change several times before the date.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
Definitely more busses out of IAH. Not as many 757s. Overall IAH took some cuts.

Would take these fall schedules with a grain of salt. I'm sure the a/c types will change several times before the date.

This should be commensurate with the opening of the sUA airbus and sUA756 base at IAH. I'm surfing through the schedules for Oct. 5th on united.com to see any differences...
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 16):
More so than now? On which routes?

Everywhere, just start plugging in routes to their timetable:

Here's some of the sUA aircraft operating from IAH, note these do not reflect the full schedules just the sUA aircraft on a particular route:

IAH-DCA 2 A319, 2 A320
IAH-LGA 2 A319, 1 A320
IAH-PHL 4 A320
IAH-BWI 2 A319, 1 757
IAH-BOS 1 A319, 1 757
IAH-TPA 1 A320, 1 A319
IAH-SAT 2 A319, 1 A320
IAH-AUS 3 A320
IAH-MSY 1 A319, 3 A320
IAH-LAS 2 A320, 2 757
IAH-PHX 1 757
IAH-SAN 2 A320, 3 757
IAH-PDX 1 757
IAH-SNA 4 A320
IAH-DTW 2 A319
IAH-IND 1 A320
IAH-PIT 1 A320
IAH-SFO 2 A320, 2 757, 2 763
IAH-DEN 1 A320, 5 757
IAH-ORD 2 A320, 1 757
IAH-LAX 1 A320, 4 757
IAH-ONT 1 A320
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:59 pm

There also appears to be significantly more CR7s flying from IAH in the October schedule.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:03 pm

Hmm...a second 763 on SFO...I wonder what route it turns from at IAH...or is it just SFO-IAH-SFO

I found it, it operates EWR-IAH as UA272 arrival 1:31p then appears to turn to SFO as UA587 3:31p departure. Only in one direction.

[Edited 2012-07-03 11:07:01]
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
I noticed a lot more A319s and A320s on Trans-Cons from EWR. UA has been flying them for years from IAD to the West Coast. The issue is they have less first class seats than sCO's 737-800s, not great for upgrades.

It will be interesting to see if UA will have the same problems as B6 with the A320 on westbound transcons during the winter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting greenwichsud (Reply 22):

This summer EWR-LAX/SFO/SEA has been primarily flown on 319, 738, and 757.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-YYC NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4



Quite surprising to see another daily flight added to this route, must be some good demand. Likely another CR7 on that flight

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6



It will be interesting to see how this route will perform, I think it will likely more Canadians than Americans flying considering the close proximity to the border.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
IAH-PHL 4 A320

Wow, pretty big hit here. This used to be 4/5 738/739. So not only a hit in premium capacity but also PMUA aircraft with virtually no IFE.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 25):

Virtually no IFE? Unlike the 738/739 the UA 320 doesn't charge for IFE. Big plus there.

Again I would take these schedules with a grain of salt. I pull up 10/9 and I see IAH-PHL flown 4x daily with a 757 on the route as well.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 24):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6



It will be interesting to see how this route will perform, I think it will likely more Canadians than Americans flying considering the close proximity to the border.

Apparently all of AS's BLI routes are doing really well. I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown. There's a decent cachement area on the US side too. BLI is really easy to get to and park. Even if you live in like the north side of Everett, BLI could be as quick (and much easier) to get to than SEA. Then there's all the population between there and the border including the island (Whidbey, Camano and the San Juans).

Inland and southern parts of B.C. seem like they could be as quick to get to BLI was YVR, not even counting any air fare differences. It's a quick shot across the Aldergrove or Sumas border and over to BLI on wide open highways. White Rock is probably as close to BLI as YVR if no border wait.

BLI serves a good niche for AS. It would be interesting to see if BLI could support some more limited expansion like maybe a flight to LAX, ORD, DFW, etc.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:33 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 25):

The morning flight is a 73G, but as you noted big reduction in premium seating and no DirecTv. UA can't replace these narrow body Airbuses soon enough.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
Virtually no IFE? Unlike the 738/739 the UA 320 doesn't charge for IFE. Big plus there.

Well, yeah, as long as you like watching old re-runs of Big Bang Theory.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 28):
The morning flight is a 73G, but as you noted big reduction in premium seating and no DirecTv.

The DirecTV is nice, but in my experience pretty poorly used and not a very good value proposition.

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 29):
UA can't replace these narrow body Airbuses soon enough.

It's going to be a long time before most of them get replaced and there's no guarantee there replacement will have DirectTV either.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
Virtually no IFE? Unlike the 738/739 the UA 320 doesn't charge for IFE. Big plus there

Yea, but...

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 29):
Well, yeah, as long as you like watching old re-runs of Big Bang Theory.

If the selection of shows appeals to you then it's not bad, but if you don't like the shows or you travel weekly and you're on your 2nd or 3rd trip the shows get old.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
The DirecTV is nice, but in my experience pretty poorly used and not a very good value proposition

In Y, yes, I rarely pay $7.99 unless it is a transcon. Though I do take full advantage of it when I am in F. What I do like are the AC outlets.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PDX-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
*DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
*DL SFO-NRT NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
I believe they are pretty normal, but they were not planned otherwise they would have already been selling the reduced schedule.

This is normal seasonal reductions, similar wo the day-of-the-week reductions they did over at least the past 2 winters on the West Coast - Asia routes.

Not completely abnormal during the slower season. These are their lowest capacity transpacific routes with the 767s. Since these routes are already down to 767s, they can't cut capacity any way other than with frequency. Other routes change frequency by adjusting aircraft type.

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Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:45 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 31):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):

DTV is a major bummer for the cost alone. I flew MIA-EWR and it was $7.99. Had it been $4-5 then it might have been worth it.

Keeping in mind that LCD/CRT looped IFE is still the standard on many DL, AA, and UA flights. It's better than nothing such as being on a WN, NK, or US flight.

So i don't see any reason to whine about flying a 320 over a 739.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*HA HNL-BNE DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4

Glad to see Hawaiian is continuing on with it's expansion of Australia and Asia, will this route use the A332 or B763?
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 25):
Wow, pretty big hit here. This used to be 4/5 738/739. So not only a hit in premium capacity but also PMUA aircraft with virtually no IFE.

The schedule varies - on 10/9 I see varying 737s and a 752...so UA is truly rightsizing demand based on days of the week and what not - a practice that they have been doing.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
The DirecTV is nice, but in my experience pretty poorly used and not a very good value proposition.

For the airline its cool, because DirecTV is funding it and the retrofit. Not a very good value for the pax though.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 33):
DTV is a major bummer for the cost alone. I flew MIA-EWR and it was $7.99. Had it been $4-5 then it might have been worth it.

I agree...I purchased it on IAH-PHL...almost 4 hrs of measly programming. I think I settled on watching Top Gear marathon...all of which I had seen.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 33):
So i don't see any reason to whine about flying a 320 over a 739.

I don't either.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 33):
So i don't see any reason to whine about flying a 320 over a 739.

AC outlets. I just received a new laptop so my battery life is really good, however previously I was lucky to get 2 hours on my old laptop.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 5):
And again, enilria, my friend, just another thanks for your efforts week in/week out with this, and a reminder that you do keep us entertained as well as informed here. I don't know what's gonna happen if one day..... for whatever reason..... maybe you just get tired of this and don't want to do this anymore, and will just stop? I'll probably have to go someplace where they can help me with my withdrawal symptoms...... So a    for your past efforts and a    so that you may keep on going a long, long time here with this gig.......

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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
My guess is that initally DL was going to try to keep daily service this winter considering how the Pacific has been outperforming so far this year, but it looks like they've changed their mind recently, considering the continued economic uncertainty.

Agreed

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Where did the slots go???
**NK DCA-FLL SEP 3>0.3 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0
Southwest bought them for DCA-STL.

I guess I'm surprised that NK would sell given how much other LCCs want into DCA. They won't find WN so friendly at BWI. I wonder if IAD would have been a better choice given the utter lack of LCC service.

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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6
It will be interesting to see how this route will perform, I think it will likely more Canadians than Americans flying considering the close proximity to the border.

Well, I think it is pretty certain that AS started flying these routes because of G4 when it became clear they were getting 757s. Definitely it is nearly all Canadians onboard.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 35):
For the airline its cool, because DirecTV is funding it and the retrofit. Not a very good value for the pax though.

The airline has to fly around all that weight. It's not insignificant. It's probably 3 or 4 pounds per seat + the two or three servers + the antenna/wiring + the drag from the antenna. All together it's probably 700-900 pounds on a 150 seater. That's a lot.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:49 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 29):
Well, yeah, as long as you like watching old re-runs of Big Bang Theory.

Still better than watching brand-new episodes of reality shows which is what you'll get on almost every channel.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EUG-PDX NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA PDX-RDM FEB 3>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-OTH NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0

Just as I have saying, UAX are slowly pulling out of the Pacific Northwest, I know these cuts are at low season, but I don't see UAX flying much longer up here where AS/QX is so dominant. OO flying for PDX/SEA/EUG/MFR/RDM/OTH-SFO may remain for connection purposes to UA worldwide in SFO, but the EMB intra-Northwest flying is not long lived.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL SLC-MEX SEP 0.5>0.0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0

Is this just a seasonal suspension? It's a little surprising that DL can't make SLC-MEX work, especially since both cities are Sky Team hubs.
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:58 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
Just as I have saying, UAX are slowly pulling out of the Pacific Northwest,

I'm sure AS can staple them on to the bottom of their list of partners.

Quoting slclaxkixkhh (Reply 40):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL SLC-MEX SEP 0.5>0.0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0

Is this just a seasonal suspension? It's a little surprising that DL can't make SLC-MEX work, especially since both cities are Sky Team hubs.

It looks permanent. Is it really a Summer only market? Maybe AM will fly it.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 33):
DTV is a major bummer for the cost alone. I flew MIA-EWR and it was $7.99. Had it been $4-5 then it might have been worth it.

Not sure if it's still the case, but when you used your CO airlines Chase credit card to activate the DirecTv you saved $2. Not sure about the new Mileage plus cards.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-YYJ NOV 2.0>1.1 DEC 2>1.4

When I flew SFO-YYJ the day before Thanksgiving last year, I discovered some on the plane had bought safety tickets through YVR on AC -- so completely unpredictable is UAX on the non-stop route.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 1):Never thought I'd live to see IAH-BWI go to 3x daily. That's pretty low.

On the bright side one of those frequencies is a 757.

IAH-BWI 2 A319, 1 757

I'm guessing this gives more flexibility in dispatching crews since the 738s on the right side of the UA wing sit useless all day until a Houston flight departs.

Anybody notice that the BWI -- UA counter and gate people are wearing pmCO attire -- and the combined crew actually gets along (in public   -- 'Miss Thing' and 'olde fart' seem to be gone) ? There must have been some serious hand-smacking  
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:15 pm

Interesting article in anna.aero illustrates how airlines such as Delta, in Richard Anderson's words, are no longer willing to give back during the winter months the profits that carried over from the summer peak months. If would be interesting to chart what US airlines percentage drops are in winter months, but they are probably led by Allegiant. Also I think in a high fuel environment WN's limitations on its computer systems until they get their system upgraded makes it harder for them to shift capacity around as quickly as a Delta to react to traffic trends. Is this a fair assessment? Having said that, WN does not have the fleet flexibility to swap out a 757-300 from a summer intensive route to an A319 during the slower season, nor put that 757 back on that route for 2 or 3 weeks during the spring break mini peak season.


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This is normal seasonal reductions, similar wo the day-of-the-week reductions they did over at least the past 2 winters on the West Coast - Asia routes.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:07 pm

Thanks Enilria for always doing a good job with these!
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:18 am

Seems UA is pulling more out of ABQ?
Is it that bad in the winter normally?
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 46):
Thanks Enilria for always doing a good job with these!

 
Quoting Coronado (Reply 45):
If would be interesting to chart what US airlines percentage drops are in winter months

Here it is for the largest carriers...

This is the % of the annual average monthly capacity adjsuted for number of days per month. Period is August 2011 to July 2012. If the airline is growing or shrinking overall that skews it. I think that skewed AA.

DL is the most agressive of the legacies...

AA J 0.99
AA F 0.96
AA M 1.01
AA A 1.00
AA M 1.00
AA J 1.02
AA J 1.04
AA A 1.06
AA S 1.01
AA O 0.99
AA N 0.94
AA D 0.97
DL J 0.92
DL F 0.89
DL M 1.00
DL A 1.01
DL M 1.02
DL J 1.10
DL J 1.11
DL A 1.12
DL S 1.00
DL O 0.98
DL N 0.92
DL D 0.92
US J 0.95
US F 0.92
US M 1.01
US A 1.01
US M 1.05
US J 1.11
US J 1.11
US A 1.05
US S 0.96
US O 0.94
US N 0.92
US D 0.96
WN J 0.91
WN F 0.91
WN M 1.02
WN A 1.04
WN M 1.03
WN J 1.09
WN J 1.09
WN A 1.03
WN S 0.97
WN O 0.99
WN N 0.95
WN D 0.95
UA J 0.93
UA F 0.92
UA M 1.01
UA A 0.99
UA M 1.01
UA J 1.11
UA J 1.12
UA A 1.08
UA S 0.98
UA O 0.97
UA N 0.92
UA D 0.97
G4 J 0.92
G4 F 1.01
G4 M 1.39
G4 A 1.20
G4 M 0.95
G4 J 1.07
G4 J 1.19
G4 A 0.91
G4 S 0.67
G4 O 0.77
G4 N 0.87
G4 D 1.05
 
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RE: OAG Changes 7/5/2012: DL/BIG NK/UA

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
DL is the most agressive of the legacies...

You mean the most seasonal.
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