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AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:18 pm

Hi ,

Sorry If this has been posted already!

The topic of AA/US merging has been discussed alot around here, with that being said I wouldn't like this topic to turn into a debate over which airline is better rather a discussion about the effect of the merger on DCA.

With US owning most of the slots and US already having a significant present there, I have a few questions?

-Will US/AA be forced to give up slot's at DCA due to the large presence from both airlines.
-Will we see large, 757, 767 service from DCA to hub cities?
-Will DCA be upgraded to a hub or will they slowly stop routes?
-Will any-other hubs be downgraded due to the close proximitey of CLT,DCA,PHL,JFK,LGA( as it is a focus city as I remember)
-Will DCA lose flights to other hubs?

Sorry for all the questions!!  
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
-Will US/AA be forced to give up slot's at DCA due to the large presence from both airlines

Probably a small number of slots would have to be divested. If the DL slot swap required divestiture, I can't see how the AA would not seeing as the combined carrier would control nearly 70% of all slots at DCA.

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
-Will we see large, 757, 767 service from DCA to hub cities?

757 yes. 767 no.

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
-Will DCA be upgraded to a hub or will they slowly stop routes?

DCA is already pretty much a hub for US especially after the slot swap with DL. Most of the new routes that were added rely on a decent number of connections as the O+D alone isn't enough.

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
-Will DCA lose flights to other hubs?

Other than the small number of flights divested, I doubt DCA would lose much.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:12 pm

DCA will have no effect on CLT. CLT will be fine
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:17 am

I don't see DCA having much of an effect on PHL or CLT. They all serve different functions.
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:54 am

Would we see AA add some international out of IAD to support their large FF and business base?? I'm thinking London and S. America.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Probably a small number of slots would have to be divested. If the DL slot swap required divestiture, I can't see how the AA would not seeing as the combined carrier would control nearly 70% of all slots at DCA.

Does AA have as many slots total as the number DL gave up? I guess the general math wouldn't be too hard to guesstimate.

Quoting seatback (Reply 4):
Would we see AA add some international out of IAD to support their large FF and business base?? I'm thinking London and S. America.

Highly doubt it. More likely to streamline connections from DCA to the international hubs to connect to existing flights.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:21 am

The future of DCA talk is always intriguing. As I stated in other thread, I feel American Airlines and US Airways merger is unlikely. But, for fun, here is my "what if" question: should American Airlines and US Airways merge, what will happen to the name of US Airways Shuttle? Will the name be changed to American Airlines Shuttle (or "American Shuttle")?
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting seatback (Reply 4):
Would we see AA add some international out of IAD to support their large FF and business base?? I'm thinking London and S. America.

United has MASSIVE international operation out of IAD including 4 flights daily to LHR and once daily to Sao Paulo. AS far as AA, its partne BA flies 2 or 3 times daily to LHR so that market is well covered. Virgin Atlantic flies daily to LHR too.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:15 pm

Whenever there is an airline merger, regulators will more then certainly look at operations at DCA, along with those at EWR, JFK, and LGA. At present, these are the so-called federal government slot-controlled airports, and therefore the potential of monopolistic conditions inherently exist.

IIRC, when UA/CO merged, since CO had such a dominant market share at EWR, the slots that UA brought into the merger there would have made CO that much more a monopolizer there, so UA gave up its slots there (I believe it was 18 or so?) and transferred them to WN. Afterwards, the feds approved the merger, on the basis that the merged UA/CO would not have unfairly gained at EWR.

So quite possibly in the event of an AA/US merger, the feds will be looking at DCA, and consider how a newly merged entity would effect monopolistic conditions there. Then more than likely, some divestiture would be required. Also to be considered are the special routes involved with DCA and since there are a few categories of those, each would be looked at individually and the outcome would be determined by regulations that are already in place.

Although not as restrictive, both JFK and LGA would also be reviewed by the feds, and again the outcome would be determined by regulations that are already in place.

As best that I know, I think that's the way it works. As for CLT and PHL, since these two aren't restricted as are DCA, JFK, and LGA, there would be no requirements by the fed here.

 
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 6):
The future of DCA talk is always intriguing. As I stated in other thread, I feel American Airlines and US Airways merger is unlikely. But, for fun, here is my "what if" question: should American Airlines and US Airways merge, what will happen to the name of US Airways Shuttle? Will the name be changed to American Airlines Shuttle (or "American Shuttle")?

Way back in the late 60's,AA used to operate hourly between BOS-LGA-DCA. It was called the Jet Express
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 6):
what will happen to the name of US Airways Shuttle? Will the name be changed to American Airlines Shuttle (or "American Shuttle")?

This name cased to exist few years ago.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:22 pm

Regarding one specific route, I can tell you that there would be many AAdvantage folks in San Diego who would love to see the new US Airways nonstop between DCA and SAN become one of "their" flights!

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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 8):

As best that I know, I think that's the way it works. As for CLT and PHL, since these two aren't restricted as are DCA, JFK, and LGA, there would be no requirements by the fed here.

AA is #3 at JFK (behind B6,DL) and a not very close #2 at LGA. The addition of US slots at both of these airports would not alter AA's rankings and there should be no reason for the combined carrier to give up any slots.

Of course DCA is an entirely different story and there likely would be a significant number of slots that would have to be sold off (unless AA decides to do an additional slot swap with B6).

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
-Will we see large, 757, 767 service from DCA to hub cities?

It's possible there may be 767 service on some hub routes, but from what I understand, none of the slots awarded beyond the perimeter are permitted to operate widebody service. That leaves MIA, ORD, DFW, PHL, JFK, CLT that could potentially see widebody service. Interestingly, DFW is the only hub served by both carriers out or DCA. Having said all that, I don't think it's likely that DCA will see anything larger than a 757/A321 from the combined carrier but if I had to choose one I'd bet on MIA because it's one of the largest hubs and the one with the least amount of overlap with the other hubs.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 12):
AA is #3 at JFK (behind B6,DL) and a not very close #2 at LGA. The addition of US slots at both of these airports would not alter AA's rankings and there should be no reason for the combined carrier to give up any slots.

My apologies here, but I'm unsure of what is being determined here? Earlier in the post, all I stated was that the Feds will consider EWR, LGA, JFK and DCA during their review. Appropriate action(s) will be determined, and any determination(s) could be that there may not be a reason to take any action(s) at any airport depending on the situation. Yet, I'm guessing that we're somehow in agreement here though, could this be correct?

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 12):
but from what I understand, none of the slots awarded beyond the perimeter are permitted to operate widebody service.

Is this correct? Is this just the last awards? Also a bit puzzled, I know that many times UA will have a 757 on a DEN-DCA route, and DEN is beyond the perimeter?


 
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Is this correct? Is this just the last awards? Also a bit puzzled, I know that many times UA will have a 757 on a DEN-DCA route, and DEN is beyond the perimeter?

I think it's overall, not just the last bunch.

And the 757 is allowed, since it isn't a widebody.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:14 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 13):
Is this correct? Is this just the last awards? Also a bit puzzled, I know that many times UA will have a 757 on a DEN-DCA route, and DEN is beyond the perimeter?

United has a single beyond perimeter slot for Denver. The 757 isn't a widebody aircraft. If you're referring to 767s, United has never operated scheduled 767 service to DCA. Delta, IIRC, is the only passenger carrier to schedule widebody service to DCA in recent history - and that was only for Inauguration Weekend 2008.

Also, you may be thinking of LGA, where Denver falls outside of the perimeter, but was grandfathered in, allowing for regular scheduled service between LGA and DEN without perimeter exemptions.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
I think it's overall, not just the last bunch.

And the 757 is allowed, since it isn't a widebody.

There is no such restriction in the awards. The reality is that 767's can barely fly into DCA (in terms of runway length and gate space) and a 767 at MTOW for a transcon trip probably would not be able to safely takeoff at DCA (That is the whole reason why IAD was built!). Accordingly, no carrier has proposed using them in their application.

[Edited 2012-07-04 22:23:01]
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:06 am

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 12):
...from what I understand, none of the slots awarded beyond the perimeter are permitted to operate widebody service.

  

From the
ESTABLISHMENT OF SLOT EXEMPTION PROCEEDINGS
AT RONALD REAGAN WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT
PURSUANT TO 49 U.S.C. § 41718
Docket DOT-OST-2012-0029

Quote:
FAA 2012, among other things, made several significant changes to laws regarding slot and slot exemptions at DCA, and we briefly summarize the most significant changes below. ...

Third, none of the FAA 2012 beyond-perimeter slot exemptions may be used to operate multi-aisle or widebody
aircraft.


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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:42 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
The reality is that 767's can barely fly into DCA (in terms of runway length and gate space) and a 767 at MTOW for a transcon trip probably would not be able to safely takeoff at DCA (That is the whole reason why IAD was built!). Accordingly, no carrier has proposed using them in their application.

Runway is not the problem. Problem is with the taxiways and gate space. Thats why you have widebody restrictions at DCA.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):

I don't see DCA having much of an effect on PHL or CLT. They all serve different functions.

How so? There is substantial traffic between NY/NJ/New England and the Carolinas/Florida/Georgia/Alabama and they can all connect in PHL/DCA/CLT.
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 18):
Runway is not the problem. Problem is with the taxiways and gate space. Thats why you have widebody restrictions at DCA.

  

There are a couple YouTube videos of the DL 763 turns in January 2009 shot by rampers, and you can tell that those 763s really gummed up the works on the ramp and taxiways. I've always dreamed of seeing more widebodies at DCA, but after I saw that video, it doesn't seem like such a good idea.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 20):
There are a couple YouTube videos of the DL 763 turns in January 2009 shot by rampers

I have pictures of first DL 763 arrival into DCA. Also I have picture of about 50 rampers standing around it  
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:48 pm

I would guess 757s on DCA-ORD/DFW/MIA/CLT/PHX/LAX to start.

I wonder if they would try to start up routes like DCA-DEN or LAS?
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
I wonder if they would try to start up routes like DCA-DEN or LAS?

You mean like US48/49?      
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
I wonder if they would try to start up routes like DCA-DEN or LAS?

US already flies DCA-LAS. DCA-DEN is beyond perimeter so it's possible in the future, if more beyond-perimeter slots are made available, the airline might try to make a run at DEN. I'm sure DCA-DEN can support two daily flights, but there are other deserving markets as well.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 24):
US already flies DCA-LAS. DCA-DEN is beyond perimeter so it's possible in the future, if more beyond-perimeter slots are made available, the airline might try to make a run at DEN. I'm sure DCA-DEN can support two daily flights, but there are other deserving markets as well.

I think DCA-DEN might be a tough sell for more flights, it's already at 4x daily, more than any other beyond-perimeter destination.

As it is, depending on who acquires who, the airline would likely have to fight just to keep all the exemptions it currently has. Assuming US is the purchaser, the DOT may have something to say about what happens to AA's existing exemption used on LAX (reminiscent of AA not receiving TW's exemption for LAX). The purpose of the last award was for the four major incumbents to each convert one slot for use as a beyond-perimeter exemption, DOT may not allow AA/US to automatically end up with two of the four through merger.

Edit to clarify: I mean that DCA-DEN would be a tough sell to DOT for more flights right now, not that the market would not support it.

[Edited 2012-07-05 14:11:27]
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:40 pm

In the event of a merger I hihly doubt a combined AA would be able to kepp DCA-PHX/LAS/SAN and LAX, some of those beyod perimeter routes would have to be given up.

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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 26):
In the event of a merger I hihly doubt a combined AA would be able to kepp DCA-PHX/LAS/SAN and LAX, some of those beyod perimeter routes would have to be given up.

Would the DOT really prefer to cut off service to deserving markets merely because they don't want one airline to be the one serving them? It would again be unfair to rebid those slots - if they offer the exact same routes to be bid on by other airlines that would be one thing...

I just don't think it would be proper at all to see LAS or SAN lose its only DCA flight if the replacement airline decides to fly to, say, SAT or COS in their stead.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 26):
In the event of a merger I hihly doubt a combined AA would be able to kepp DCA-PHX/LAS/SAN and LAX, some of those beyod perimeter routes would have to be given up.

Not necessarily. In a merger situation where there isn't a "Purchaser" per se you might find that AA/US will be able to keep the beyond perimeter slots. The reason AA lost the TWA slot was because they "purchased" the TWA assets and thereby gave the slot up for competition again.

The DOT will be more concerned with the within perimeter competition and the potential dominance there. That's where the DOT will come into it and demand divestures or slot sales to other carriers. Having said that if they had to give up say 20 slot pairs at convenient times and gave 5 each to WN, Jetblue, Frontier and VX there realistically aren't other carriers that are probably interested in more DCA slots that would enhance competition. AA/US could easily pull in additional A321's and 757's to replace lost capacity in such a scenario while giving up some frequency. It would be a hard trade-off but manageable given their dominance of DCA.

Quoting steex (Reply 25):
DOT may not allow AA/US to automatically end up with two of the four through merger.

The reality is DOT won't have a say in it. Legislation passed through the Congress naming US and AA as incumbent operators and giving them the ability to convert an existing slot pair, at a prescribed airport, into a beyond perimeter slot pair. Since AA and US will both live on in a merged entity, there isn't a reason for DOT to come back at them.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:00 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
I think it's overall, not just the last bunch.

And the 757 is allowed, since it isn't a widebody.

Thank you..... you are correct..... where is my thinking cap?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
From the
ESTABLISHMENT OF SLOT EXEMPTION PROCEEDINGS
AT RONALD REAGAN WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT
PURSUANT TO 49 U.S.C. § 41718
Docket DOT-OST-2012-0029

Thank you.......

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 28):
Not necessarily. In a merger situation where there isn't a "Purchaser" per se you might find that AA/US will be able to keep the beyond perimeter slots. The reason AA lost the TWA slot was because they "purchased" the TWA assets and thereby gave the slot up for competition again.

The DOT will be more concerned with the within perimeter competition and the potential dominance there.

Good point there, and I believe that that is also correct.


  
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 25):
I think DCA-DEN might be a tough sell for more flights, it's already at 4x daily, more than any other beyond-perimeter destination.

And with 3 of those flown by F9, there is both competition and LCC presence on the route to compete with the legacy carrier, so there really isn't much to argue for. About the only angle I could see would be that presumably (according to A.Net rumor) AA/US would enter OW, so there would be inter-alliance competition plus the LCC, but that's still not a hugely powerful argument for a market of DEN's size that is already that well served.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 28):
Since AA and US will both live on in a merged entity, there isn't a reason for DOT to come back at them.

Now how does that play with the whole certificate issue? IIRC AA lost the TW exemption because they dumped the TW certificate; but does a merger obviate that due to the whole "merger of equals" rather than acquisition? I see the point about a merger being different from a takeover, but if the rule is strictly about the surviving certificate, then I could see an issue keeping the exemptions from the certificate that is cashiered after such a merger.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 30):
Now how does that play with the whole certificate issue? IIRC AA lost the TW exemption because they dumped the TW certificate; but does a merger obviate that due to the whole "merger of equals" rather than acquisition? I see the point about a merger being different from a takeover, but if the rule is strictly about the surviving certificate, then I could see an issue keeping the exemptions from the certificate that is cashiered after such a merger.

This is what I was getting at - they don't allow beyond-perimeter exemptions to be transferred between certificates. That's why AA did not get TW's LAX route, while US had no issues with the PHX/LAS exemptions since the HP certificate was kept. Republic didn't eliminate the F9 certificate, so the issue didn't arise there.

The authorities may not seek to take any of them away, but if necessary, I suspect they'd keep the US certificate (but the AA name) to ensure they keep their PHX, LAS, and SAN exemptions. Since the last of those is not restricted to SAN only, I'm sure they'd simply relocate it to LAX if AA's existing exemption were somehow stripped (presumably put up for bid without US/AA winning it back).
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 31):
The authorities may not seek to take any of them away, but if necessary, I suspect they'd keep the US certificate (but the AA name) to ensure they keep their PHX, LAS, and SAN exemptions. Since the last of those is not restricted to SAN only, I'm sure they'd simply relocate it to LAX if AA's existing exemption were somehow stripped (presumably put up for bid without US/AA winning it back).

I would think the airline would work out a deal in which it gives up the LAS slot over giving up SAN (via relocation to LAX).

Unless the powers that be prefer their vacations to Vegas over actual business traffic to SAN. Would be a shame to see SAN lose the new service.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 32):
Unless the powers that be prefer their vacations to Vegas over actual business traffic to SAN. Would be a shame to see SAN lose the new service.

I agree, but I suspect if DOT announced they were taking the LAX exemption away, US would likely announce their switch to LAX and one of the applications for that exemption would be SAN (likely AS again). I doubt US would suggest they intend to keep the slot at SAN unless they really do plan to as that would run the risk of DOT awarding re-awarding the former AA slot to a different carrier on the DCA-LAX route, increasing competition.

This is all speculation, of course, it's entirely possible that US/AA would be allowed to keep both.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 32):
I would think the airline would work out a deal in which it gives up the LAS slot over giving up SAN (via relocation to LAX).

Unless the powers that be prefer their vacations to Vegas over actual business traffic to SAN. Would be a shame to see SAN lose the new service.

I would have said so too, but from a couple dummy bookings I've done, it looks like the DCA-LAS flight often goes ~$400+, pretty much in line with the DCA-SAN fares. Granted, all else equal I'd still prefer SAN like you, but if they are really selling LAS seats for $400, that's not too shabby for a leisure route.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
Will US/AA be forced to give up slot's at DCA due to the large presence from both airlines.

Yep, maybe all of AA's slots.

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
Will we see large, 757, 767 service from DCA to hub cities?

Nope. 767s can't operate. I don't see 757 use increasing above where they are at currently

Quoting SWALUV (Thread starter):
Will DCA be upgraded to a hub or will they slowly stop routes?

They won't do either due to slot restrictions. Plus its really too cramped to become a true hub a la CLT, PHX, etc. This applies to next Q as well.


The first thing US needs to do is figure out how to connect their gates in B & C without having to take that stupid bus. Not as bad as UA and ORD, but still not ideal.

LCCs are continuing to gain a foothold at DCA, I would expect this to continue. US may need to fight a couple fare wars with some upstarts plus the elephant SWA which is increasingly wiggling its way into DCA.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:21 pm

The logical slots to divest would be the routes where AA and US compete--ie to DFW, RDU, BNA, ORD,
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Effects On DCA?

Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 36):
The logical slots to divest would be the routes where AA and US compete--ie to DFW, RDU, BNA, ORD

US does not fly from DCA to ORD.

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