southwest737500
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Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:09 pm

This might have been discussed earlier. Sorry if it has

Who are possible candients for the CRJ1000
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:17 pm

The CRJ-1000 is the last of the line, and in my opinion, was created as a stop-gap until the C-Series becomes available.

Possible candidates would be current regional operators of the CRJ-900, but that could easily be hindered by scope-clause agreements with the major airlines.

I am sure we might see ones and twos ordered for a little while, but nothing more than a trickle in the over-all CRJ production.
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:51 pm

This is probably gonna sound silly, but what is the main difference between the CRJ 900 and 1000? I see photos and can't really tell the difference between the two
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:20 am

It is longer and has a fly by wire rudder.

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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting larshjort (Reply 3):
It is longer and has a fly by wire rudder.

9 ft. longer and 4 ft greater wingspan which increases the wing area by about 10%.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:36 am

Bombardier recently received an order for 6 CRJ1000 from Garuda ad 12 aircraft from NAC leasing company. All aircraft to be operated by Garuda.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:19 pm

Slow and steady, MEA330...
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:26 pm

flew on one for the first time earlier this year.
Super quiet inside... I was extremely impressed. Quite a nice passenger experience.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
This might have been discussed earlier. Sorry if it has

Who are possible candients for the CRJ1000

Unless scope rules are changed in North America, I think you'll only see this version in Europe and Asia. IIRC only Air Nostrum, Brit Air, and now Garuda (both directly and via lease) are customers. 60-70 orders total. There might be a few more, but CSeries is coming fairly soon, so possible operators probably prefer to wait.
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:05 pm

Adria wants to phase out the CRJ-200 and the A319/320 and streamline / rightsize the fleet, which could be done by adding CRJ-1000 to their fleet of -900s

CityJet could go the way of their sister company Brit Air and introduce CRJ-1000s as a replacement for their Avro RJs.

Turkish said they'd like to set up a regional carrier, similar to what Garuda is planing to do. In case they want quick deliveries, TK might look at the -1000

And Felix Airways flies -200, -700, and 900s and could make use of a few -1000s


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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting fd728 (Reply 9):
CityJet could go the way of their sister company Brit Air and introduce CRJ-1000s as a replacement for their Avro RJs.

Would Bombardier seek LCY certification for the 1000? Hardly worth the hassle I'd imagine.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:11 pm

If there was a CRJ 1000 order in North America, What are the possible canadites
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:20 pm

I could see SAS pick some up
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 1):
Possible candidates would be current regional operators of the CRJ-900, but that could easily be hindered by scope-clause agreements with the major airlines.

Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:33 pm

Quoting wumzi (Reply 13):
Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.

Scope clauses restrict the number of frames with a given seat count, usually above a certain threshold that mainline pilots consider protected turf. Basically, the closer you get to 100 seats or so, the tighter the limits typically become. For instance, CO had a very strict scope agreement where there was NO 70 seat jet flying whatsoever, but very little if any restriction on 50-seaters and props. The Q400s were an exception to the strict seat count rule, because as props, they were thrown in the unrestricted category. Then, you have airlines like AA, which allow 70 seaters but only in very limited numbers - I believe they only had 25 or so CR7s until the last couple years. Finally, you have airlines like UA and DL which have extensive 70-seater fleets of CR7s and E-Jets, though those are still capped at a certain level, and then more or less unlimited 50 seater fleets of CRJs and ERJs. DL even has some CR9s that UA scope won't allow due to their ~86 seats, but that is it even for DL. Everything else has to be mainline, as you see with AC and US E-190s.

Another element is who flies for whom - many of the regional carriers, at least in the U.S., exist as subsidiaries of the big regional players merely to skirt scope clause provisions limiting how many large RJs a given airline can fly across it's mainline partners. S5 and G7 are both good examples of regionals dedicated to large RJ flying that allow their larger parents (Republic and Trans States, respectively) to get around scope clauses vis-a-vis regional partners.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting wumzi (Reply 13):
Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.

For mainline North American airlines like UA, US or AA, the scope clauses limit the amount of seats (and number of aircraft, for that matter) that regional counterparts can operate, so as not to infringe on the mainline airline too much. AA, for example, has a very strict scope clause that limits the amount of jets that can be operated by American Eagle with over 50 seats to 47 frames, currently all CRJ700s.
 
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 14):
Everything else has to be mainline, as you see with AC and US E-190s.

Keep in mind that the E-175s are flown as mainline in the AC world. That was the trade-off for Jazz getting their CRJ705s.
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RE: Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 16):
Keep in mind that the E-175s are flown as mainline in the AC world. That was the trade-off for Jazz getting their CRJ705s.

I stand corrected - I thought I had seen some at DCA that wore Express titles.