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Air Canada In New York City In The Past.

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:13 am

Through out the 1970s I discovered Air Canada was using LGA for flights to YYZ and YUL,etc. I thought all international flights
were out of JFK. Did Air Canada ever serve JFK in the past?
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:03 am

Air Canada serves LGA, EWR, and JFK. I believe it has been serving all three for some time. While LGA is typically a domestic airport, it's not really an issue for Air Canada because of pre-clearance on the Canadian side. All three airports have their distinct markets, of course, and each of them is enough to warrant continuing Canadian service despite all kinds of other changes in the industry over the years.

Or did your question ONLY pertain to service in the 70's?

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Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:17 am

Yes, Air Canada had a DC9 operating YHZ-BOS-JFK in the ‘70s.

Halifax didn’t have pre-clearance then and I don’t know if the usual routine then was to have all passengers clear US Customs in BOS before continuing onto JFK or not…….The one time I was on this flight in June 1974, we overflew BOS (due to fog) and went direct to JFK.

Air Canada was using the British Airways Terminal (or was it BOAC in ’74?) where I cleared customs. AC planed to drop us off in BOS on the return flight to YHZ but I was going to New Haven anyway so just want into Manhattan and took a train from GCT……actually arriving there before my Amtrak train from BOS would have!

Air Canada (Air Nova) also operated a Bae146 YHZ-EWR in the ‘90s.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:37 am

Flew AC (Vanguard) to JFK from YUL when I was a kid in 1966, fwiw. Back then they used a real dumpy low-ceiling shack of a terminal at Kennedy. Can't recall if there was pre-clearence at YUL then. Guessing not.

Also did the YHZ-(BOS)-JFK DC-9 route in 1974. And did indeed clear customs/immigration in BOS as per ghYHZ description.
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RE: Air Canada In New York City In The Past.

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 1):
Air Canada serves LGA, EWR, and JFK. I believe it has been serving all three for some time

AC only returned to JFK this past May with a 3x daily flight to Toronto operated by Jazz after completely leaving the airport in April 2009. It primarily focuses on LGA for NYC traffic and EWR for beyond perimeter cities/Star connections with UA.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:37 pm

Has Winnipeg ever had service to either coast of the US - BOS, JFK, California? Air Canada operated a weekly 747 to LHR in the 70s. It's pretty isolated these days, you go through YYZ heading to Europe or ORD / MSP / DEN heading to the US. In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.

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Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
Has Winnipeg ever had service to either coast of the US - BOS, JFK, California?

Yes, AC operated DC-8 service on YWG-JFK in the mid-70's. Not sure how long service lasted.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:36 pm

Terminal 7 at JFK was originally the BOAC/Air Canada terminal. At one time there was a metal plaque in the terminal that showed this and the name of the minor royal who opened the builiding.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:06 pm

All international carriers serving LGA were forced to move to JFK (then IDL) soon after it opened. That included AC (then TCA). All AC flights to NYC used JFK for quite a few years. They were only permitted to move back to LGA sometime in the 1970s (except flights beyond the 1500 mile perimeter rule limit which stayed at JFK, before moving to EWR).

As already mentioned, AC used the BA terminal at JFK when it opened. I expect they were the most frequent operator at that terminal until they moved back to LGA.

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Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.

I'm not as AC has a maintenance base in YWG plus there are no airports within 300 km of Winnipeg. I don't know if YWG would connect through YYC or YYZ. Can anybody enlighten me on if this is correct?
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.

Why? The Manitoba economy has been performing quite well recently. Highlights below:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/finance/pdf/highlights.pdf
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.
I'm not as AC has a maintenance base in YWG plus there are no airports within 300 km of Winnipeg. I don't know if YWG would connect through YYC or YYZ. Can anybody enlighten me on if this is correct?

Montreal & New York have a long cultural and economic connection. Don't forget Montreal was Canada's largest city until the 60s.

The mx base in YWG is still doing a lot of A319/A320 work for AC. When the JFK-YWG n/s was operating, it was usually continuing to YVR. This was also true for ORD-YWG.

Nearest AC destination to YWG is YQR (Regina), about 500 km to the west.
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:59 pm

I flew LGA-YYZ with my mom and brother in 1989 on a AC 727-200.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:22 pm

In November 1979 AC was operating the following flights to JFK:

AC 822 YYC-JFK 727-200 Dp 11:25am Ar 5:50pm Daily
AC 742 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:40am Ar 10:55am Daily
AC 748 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:25pm Ar 6:45 pm Daily
AC 754 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:55pm Ar 11:10pm Daily
AC 772 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 10:30am Ar 11:50am Daily
AC 776 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 2:25pm Ar 3:55pm Daily
AC 778 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:45pm Ar 7:15pm Daily
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:47 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
In November 1979 AC was operating the following flights to JFK:

AC 822 YYC-JFK 727-200 Dp 11:25am Ar 5:50pm Daily
AC 742 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:40am Ar 10:55am Daily
AC 748 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:25pm Ar 6:45 pm Daily
AC 754 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:55pm Ar 11:10pm Daily
AC 772 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 10:30am Ar 11:50am Daily
AC 776 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 2:25pm Ar 3:55pm Daily
AC 778 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:45pm Ar 7:15pm Daily

AC had flights from YYZ and YUL to both LGA and JFK then. By 1982 or so all YYZ/YUL flights had moved to LGA, leaving only the YYC flight at JFK. That flight was dropped sometime in the mid-80s (it's in a 1983 OAG but not 1985).
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:16 pm

The YYC-JFK 727 originated in YVR.
 
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RE: Air Canada In New York City In The Past.

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
Has Winnipeg ever had service to either coast of the US - BOS, JFK, California?

How about it, guys-- was SAS the only one?

(Think Winnipeg has had nonstops to HNL., tho.)
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:24 am

Quoting timz (Reply 16):
(Think Winnipeg has had nonstops to HNL., tho.)

That's true. Way back, on a seasonal basis, there was a YYZ-YWG-HNL service, I believe with a dense-pack 747. 1x weekly.

There was through service YWG-YEG-SFO & LAX with 727-200ADVs for quite a while in the 70s/80s. Gone now.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:36 pm

To add to the gaps above:

Trans-Canada Air Lines started service to La Guardia International Airport on 30 April, 1941 using Lockheed Lodestar aircraft for a mail-only service. Passenger service started 10 May, 1941, also using Lockheed Lodestars.

This service was upgraded to DC-3, and Canadair DC-4M aircraft as demand warranted, and aircraft became available.

YUL-LGA service started 01 April, 1950, using DC-4Ms.

All New York operations were transferred from LGA to IDL, (which became JFK) on 02 Mar, 1952.

Bristol 31 Freighter service started on 21 Dec, 1953, YYZ-IDL and YUL-IDL. This ended in 1955 with the introduction of all cargo DC-4Ms.

Viscount 724s were introduced on YYZ-IDL 04 April, 1955 (The first passenger turbo-prop service in the US). YUL-IDL started on 08 Aug, 1955.

At that time competition was fierce against AA YYZ-NYC, and EA YUL-NYC. Vanguard 952s were added YYZ/YUL-NYC when available, competing against the L-188s of AA and EA. When the DC-9s were introduced, the US routes were among the first to see the aircraft. YYZ-JFK, YUL-JFK, as well as ORD and TPA.

As noted by previous messages, service to LGA was re-introduced, as well as EWR was added. Just about everything AC had eventually flew into LGA, right up to the DC-8-61/63 and the B767-300ER!
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
Bristol 31 Freighter service started on 21 Dec, 1953, YYZ-IDL and YUL-IDL. This ended in 1955 with the introduction of all cargo DC-4Ms.

Great story about the Freighter: TCA pilot parks the beast at IDL and was walking across the ramp when accosted by an AA pilot:

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Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
At that time competition was fierce against AA YYZ-NYC

Wasn’t it a request from American Airlines that led to the establishment of the first US Pre-clearance facility at “Malton” back in the early 1950s?
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Quoting timz (Reply 16):
(Think Winnipeg has had nonstops to HNL., tho.)

That's true. Way back, on a seasonal basis, there was a YYZ-YWG-HNL service, I believe with a dense-pack 747. 1x weekly.

That was Wardair if memory serves?

More recently, Canada 3000 operated YYZ-YWG-HNL with their 332 (around 2000) during at least one winter season.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
Just about everything AC had eventually flew into LGA, right up to the DC-8-61/63 and the B767-300ER!

I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA. I thought they were banned from LGA for noise or similar reasons. There are no photos in the A.net database of a 707 or DC-8 or any other 4-engine jet at LGA, except the Lockheed Jetstar business jet.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Quoting timz (Reply 16):
(Think Winnipeg has had nonstops to HNL., tho.)

That's true. Way back, on a seasonal basis, there was a YYZ-YWG-HNL service, I believe with a dense-pack 747. 1x weekly.

That was Wardair if memory serves?

And those were charters, not scheduled services.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:01 pm

another edit error, I'll post this again

[Edited 2012-07-05 14:09:45]
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):
That was Wardair if memory serves?

AC's flights showed up in the printed sked. Also weekly YYZ-YYC-HNL and YYZ-YEG-HNL.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
And those were charters, not scheduled services.

Correct.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 23):
In the summer of 1980, the last flight of the day YYZ-LGA, and the first flight of the morning LGA-YYZ was a DC-8. Normally it was a DC-8-53, but the odd time a DC-8-61/63 was subbed.

I'll check, but I'll bet the OAG doesn't show any DC-8s at LGA. How long do you think it lasted? (I'll try to check Airport Activity Stats too, FWIW.)
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:12 pm

Sorry about that, I tried to edit it, but true to Airliners.net form, it didn't work correctly, or in its entirety.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA.

In the summer of 1979, (I was out by a year) the last flight of the day YYZ-LGA, which was AC196 was a DC-8, the first flight of the morning out, AC191 was a DC-8. The actual routing was YWG-YYZ-LGA, and LGA-YYZ-YWG
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:21 pm

Can't figure out if you guys are agreeing there was a scheduled YWG-HNL nonstop at some point, in the OAG. If there was, when was it?
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 27):
Can't figure out if you guys are agreeing there was a scheduled YWG-HNL nonstop at some point, in the OAG. If there was, when was it?


YWG-HNL always was a charter, either flown by Air Canada, Wardair or Canada 3000 Airlines.

The confusion was that with regard to Air Canada, it was actually printed in the timetable, although a notation that it was a Touram (trade name) Charter followed the schedule. But, still as it was a "charter" and not "scheduled", you will not find it in the OAG.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 27):

Can't figure out if you guys are agreeing there was a scheduled YWG-HNL nonstop at some point, in the OAG. If there was, when was it?

There was a Wardair flight but no scheduled service. Wardair also tried YXU-LHR but it either was very short lived or never got off the ground.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting N202PA (Reply 12):
I flew LGA-YYZ with my mom and brother in 1989 on a AC 727-200.

My first LGA-YYZ flight as a kid was on a TCA Canadair Northstar in the late 1950s -- I can still hear those Merlins howling in my ears. Subsequent flights were on Viscounts, although I dimly recall doing a Buffalo-New York flight on an American Airlines Martin 404, or maybe a Convair? Had two engines. They are all business trips for my father, who was head of systems procurement for the Avro Arrow project.
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Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting arrow (Reply 30):
My first LGA-YYZ flight as a kid was on a TCA Canadair Northstar in the late 1950s -- I can still hear those Merlins howling in my ears.

Yup. No doubt the NS wins the prize for noisiest pax a/c ever, I think. YWG-YYC-YVR was about seven hours ttoal, and you were more or less deaf when you deplaned. The Super Connie (a.k.a. "the growler") by comparison, a little over four hours and your ears survived.

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Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:28 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 31):
No doubt the NS wins the prize for noisiest pax a/c ever, I think.

After it got the crossover exhausts, you mean?
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:43 am

Quoting arrow (Reply 30):
I dimly recall doing a Buffalo-New York flight on an American Airlines Martin 404, or maybe a Convair? Had two engines.

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Quoting longhauler (Reply 26):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA.

In the summer of 1979, (I was out by a year) the last flight of the day YYZ-LGA, which was AC196 was a DC-8, the first flight of the morning out, AC191 was a DC-8. The actual routing was YWG-YYZ-LGA, and LGA-YYZ-YWG

I wonder if it was a through flight number but with an aircraft change at YYZ? I just can't recall DC-8s or 707s ever being permitted at LGA, and it would surprise me that they would make an exception for a foreign carrier without resulting in major protests from US carriers who may also have wanted to operate 4-engine types at LGA but never did.

Or perhaps AC published it in a timetable but the operation was never approved?
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:35 am

I'm with Viscount 724 on this one - 707/DC-8 scheduled ops have never occurred at LGA. And speaking as one with thousands of hours of DC-8 time and 25 years of flying 727s, 737s and A320s out of LGA, the thought of landing an Eight there makes my head spin...
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 34):

I don't know why there were never 707/DC-8 operations at LGA but there were DC-10s there with airlines like National.Come to think of it I don't think a Convair 880 ever was at LGA.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
I wonder if it was a through flight number but with an aircraft change at YYZ? I just can't recall DC-8s or 707s ever being permitted at LGA, and it would surprise me that they would make an exception for a foreign carrier without resulting in major protests from US carriers who may also have wanted to operate 4-engine types at LGA but never did.

Or perhaps AC published it in a timetable but the operation was never approved?

Although I can understand your skepticism, I am 100% certain it was flown by a DC-8. Twice I flew to New York for the weekend that summer, and every time I arranged my schedule to fly on the DC-8. I had assumed, (and as it turned out, I was correct) that it would be my last chance to fly on a "short 8".

On three of the flights it was a DC-8-53, and once it was a DC-8-61.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 34):
I'm with Viscount 724 on this one - 707/DC-8 scheduled ops have never occurred at LGA.

"Never" is such a powerful word, and in this case, incorrect.

As I mentioned in a previous message, but it got "edited" out, that my father, who also flew for Air Canada/TCA, talked of how cumbersome the Expressway Visual 31 was for a DC-8-61/63. Out of interest, I checked his log books, (he has since passed away) and yes, he flew several DC-8s into LGA.

I can give you date and flight numbers if you want, but, there are dozens. He was a Check Captain with Air Canada, and often crew scheduling would use the Check Captains as a quick source of pilots for equipment substitutions, as they could fly all three positions. I notice the majority of the flights are 700 series, indicating to me that it was subbed, as the 700s were usually DC-9s. There were two though, with the 196/191 combo which was scheduled as a DC-8 and flew as a DC-8.
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 32):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 31):
No doubt the NS wins the prize for noisiest pax a/c ever, I think.

After it got the crossover exhausts, you mean?

Yes, I have no recollection of the original arrangement. Which would have been worse, I suppose.
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:07 pm

The Feb-Mar-May-Sept-Oct 1979 OAGs show no AC flights LGA.

In May AC 196 is a 72S arriving JFK at 2225; in Sept-Oct it's a "DC8" still arriving JFK at 2225.

Turns out CP claimed a weekly DC8 nonstop YWG-HNL in 2/71, and a D8S in 3/77.

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Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 38):
Turns out CP claimed a weekly DC8 nonstop YWG-HNL in 2/71, and a D8S in 3/77.

In the winter 1970-71 timetable it operated YUL-YWG-HNL. There was also a weekly DC-8 YEG-HNL in that schedule.

Can't find a 1977 timetable but the winter 1978-79 schedule includes a weekly YWG-HNL flight plus a weekly nonstop HNL (both December-April). HNL nonstop was off-and during those years. It started sometime in the 1960s. There were also YYC-HNL and YEG-HNL seasonal nonstops at various times.

Unlike Wardair and other charter carriers mentioned, the CP flights were scheduled.

[Edited 2012-07-06 10:38:32]

[Edited 2012-07-06 10:40:31]
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA. I thought they were banned from LGA for noise or similar reasons. There are no photos in the A.net database of a 707 or DC-8 or any other 4-engine jet at LGA, except the Lockheed Jetstar business jet.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA. I thought they were banned from LGA for noise or similar reasons. There are no photos in the A.net database of a 707 or DC-8 or any other 4-engine jet at LGA, except the Lockheed Jetstar business jet.

DC8's and 707's can't serve LGA - runways can't handle them. The DC10's and L1011's could, because they were specifically designed to handle LGA's short runways. AA, DL, EA, and TW all flew DC10's or L1011's in, but Delta didn't have much LGA service until 1972 when it acquired Northeast, which had 727's and DC9's. Before that merger, they had a handful of DC9's from ATL and Northeast handled them there. So AC (or TCA) never would have been able to fly DC8's of any model into LGA.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 38):
The Feb-Mar-May-Sept-Oct 1979 OAGs show no AC flights LGA.

The November 15, 1979 OAG (from departedflights.com) shows 3 AC flights YYZ-LGA (2 D9S and 1 72S) and 3 YYZ-JFK (all D9S).

From YUL there were 2 to LGA and 4 to JFK (all D9S). Also a daily 72S YYC-JFK.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:03 pm

Yeah, bad typing-- I meant to say no AC YYZ-LGA flights in those OAGs. Didn't check YUL.

Quoting superjeff (Reply 40):
DC8's and 707's can't serve LGA - runways can't handle them.

Probably we all agree 707/DC8s can use 7000 ft runways? So you must figure they're too heavy for LGA. Too bad none of us knows LGA's limits for DC-10s and L-1011s-- but probably 300000 lb at least? And you figure the Port Auth wouldn't allow, say, a 260000-lb DC8/707?
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 42):
Probably we all agree 707/DC8s can use 7000 ft runways?

I'm not actually sure that I do.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:22 pm

707s used MKC's 7000-ft runway starting in 1959. Dunno of any 707s scheduled into SAC, but WA 720Bs used the 6000-ft runway there. 707s and DC-8s flew from EWR nonstop to California starting around 1964; longest runway was 7000 ft until 1970.

Don't recall offhand whether UA ever flew DC-8-61s into KOA (6500 ft) or OGG (7000 ft). Their -71s flew nonstop from both to California, for sure.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:57 pm

I give up.

There's an old Newfie expression, "You can't tell a Heinz pickle nothing". Taken from an old advertisement, basically, it means if you not listening, I am going to stop talking.
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:07 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
hrough out the 1970s I discovered Air Canada was using LGA for flights to YYZ and YUL,etc. I thought all international flights
were out of JFK. Did Air Canada ever serve JFK in the past?

I grew up in a Long island community which allowed me the pleasure of watching JFK (Idlewild back then) traffic approaching 22L and 22R from my front porch. I totally recall the TCA Viscounts and later the Vickers Vanguards. They actually had quite a distinctive sound and you knew what it was before you could see the markings.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
As noted by previous messages, service to LGA was re-introduced, as well as EWR was added. Just about everything AC had eventually flew into LGA, right up to the DC-8-61/63 and the B767-300ER!

MIght have msised the answer to this somewhere in this thread, but why did AC choose to go back to LGA instead of staying at JFK. (I ask for selfish reasons - way better connections at JFK than at LGA or EWR)
 
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Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting superjeff (Reply 40):
DC8's and 707's can't serve LGA - runways can't handle them. The DC10's and L1011's could, because they were specifically designed to handle LGA's short runways. AA, DL, EA, and TW all flew DC10's or L1011's in, but Delta didn't have much LGA service until 1972 when it acquired Northeast, which had 727's and DC9's. Before that merger, they had a handful of DC9's from ATL and Northeast handled them there. So AC (or TCA) never would have been able to fly DC8's of any model into LGA.

I believe only one 4-engine jet ever landed at LGA, and that was the aircraft that brought home the body of Robert Kennedy. I'd be VERY curious to see evidence to the contrary.

DC10/L1011s were specifically designed for shorter field performance.
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Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 47):
MIght have msised the answer to this somewhere in this thread, but why did AC choose to go back to LGA instead of staying at JFK. (I ask for selfish reasons - way better connections at JFK than at LGA or EWR)

LGA is closer to downtown and generally is preferred by business travelers.

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