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EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:49 am

Great to see EK expanding once again.
Adelaide was rumoured for a while

"DUBAI, U.A.E., 4th July 2012 – Emirates is embarking on a major expansion of its route network with three additional destinations to be launched in the next six months, on top of the 12 new routes already being rolled out in 2012.
From 1st November, Emirates will launch four weekly flights to Adelaide, rising to a daily service from 1st February 2013. Adelaide will be the airline’s fifth destination in Australia which is currently served with 70 flights per week.
The airline’s current double-daily service to Perth will grow to 19 weekly flights from 1st December, becoming a triple daily operation from 1st March next year.
On the western side of the globe, the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December, the carrier’s third point in France after Paris and Nice. Emirates will operate five weekly flights to this vibrant economic and tourism centre of south eastern France.
From 6th February 2013, Emirates will begin flights into Poland, where recently the World bank predicted the highest economic growth in the Central and Eastern European region. The airline will operate a daily service to the capital, Warsaw."

http://www.emirates.com/english/abou...ws/news_detail.aspx?article=914489
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December,

What is the current limitation on the bilateral France-UAE? I believe there is a limitation on total frequencies, but not number of destinations? LYS makes sense, as it has been increasingly ignored by AF in favor of CDG in the past years - a pity, as they had a superb regional hub there.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:39 pm

Why haven't they launched Marseille flights yet? Is it because they fly into Nice?
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:41 pm

ADL has been rumored in this forum since i can remember. however LYS and WAW are very nice surprises, specially LYS i never imagine that one. WAW is easier to understand because is the capital of a big country and a fast developing economy.

AF must be happy this week, second daily A380 to CDG and LYS soon.... they keep growing in Europe when we are all thinking here about places like Detroit, Miami, Mexico.....
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:44 pm

ADL is huge news. Congrats.

The increase for PER will make things very interesting. With QR now flying there, and EY said to be looking at starting flights, things may get messy 
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:19 pm

LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.

However, the yield at LYS is higher than any other French regional cities, and the business demand is important. So it is I believe a strategic choice, with many potential pax to Asia.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:26 pm

Great news and all three were expected. I wouldn't surprised if Lyon service is subsidised by the airport as they were eager to have a ME connection.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
I wouldn't surprised if Lyon service is subsidised by the airport as they were eager to have a ME connection.

I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.

Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Presumably WAW and LYS are A332 and ADL is 77L or A345?
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:59 pm

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...pride-of-lyon-poised-to-grow-77326

Ironically enough, this was just discussed recently at CAPA.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.

Exactly what I meant. A Mid East connection - as it facilitates connectivity throughout the ME and APAC regions at reasonable fares. A big plus for a small airport that wants to claim a larger long haul role.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).

EK has developed a very good presence at PER leveraging its first-mover advantage. And building on that solid base, I do not see any difficulty for them to fill the third daily. And they are being conservative enough to go from a five weekly to a daily - sounds very sensible.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:14 pm

I've been waiting for EK to start ADL for such a long time now, I'm so happy this day has finally come!!

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Presumably WAW and LYS are A332 and ADL is 77L or A345?

ADL will be with a 777-300ER, LYS will be A345(!) and WAW will be an A332.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 11):
LYS will be A345(!)

The 10-strong EK A345 fleet has been deployed on missions such as this one for quite a while now. Ever since the nonstop DXB BNE was upgauged from A345 to B77W, there is not single ULH flight is the A345s flying program at EK, and the aircraft are often used for routes that are transitioning towards eventual B77W deployment.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Lyon

EK081 DXB LYS 1435 1900
EK082 LYS DXB 2055 0615+1

5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.


Warsaw

EK179 DXB WAW 0730 1045
EK180 WAW DXB 1350 2215

Daily with A332. Schedules for this flight fit the traditional pattern for primary European flights, but the return is quite early, because of the relatively short flying time and that will lead to increased connecting times.


Adelaide

EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045
EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1

4 weekly and later daily with B77W. Schedule is built mainly for European connectivity although the flight connects well to the entire EK network.


Perth

EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
EK423 PER DXB 1530 2225

Third daily service. 5 weekly and later daily with B77W. This flight has seemingly little connectivity. Both flights connect to the third daily European banks, which are still very much in a build up stage.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:28 pm

I was excited about Warsaw... Until I saw that it will be a A330-200. Boo!!!!

When will this be bookable do you think?
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.

I guess we can see new LYS flight a sort of complementary GVA' schedule.
Flight to LYS is in a certain way the GVA's evening missing flight.

LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 5):
LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.
TLS and MRS have virtually no market potential compared to LYS. Lyon is the industrial hub of France with a lot of business links with the Middle East, South East Asia and Japan. EK had announced this route more than two years ago. I wonder why they took so long to start it.

@LIPZ

LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv


GVA is a good 113 kms from LYS and it takes more than two hours to do the route during rush hour.

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:59 pm

With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places, why are they hesitant to go that way?

[Edited 2012-07-04 11:09:55]
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).

PER is isolated from the world. Perhaps that is why it is desirable to fly there.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 16):
GVA is a good 113 kms from LYS and it takes more than two hours to do the route during rush hour.

Two hours is not that much!

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places, why are they hesitant to go that way?

EK already flies everywhere almost... With all the 777s and A380s coming out of the over, well see them in your regional airport soon!
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:32 pm

I never cease to be amazed by EK's expansion! Congrats to WAW, LYS and ADL. I think ADL was really just a matter of time and, well, the time has come at last!

Quoting loveofflying (Reply 14):

I was excited about Warsaw... Until I saw that it will be a A330-200. Boo!!!!

Hehe, what were you expecting?
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:38 pm

They are also said to have gained approval for twice weekly service to Multan in Pakistan, but will fly there when the new terminal is completed, no foreign carrier serves this city yet, could be just a rumor though.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:39 pm

Great news!

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With Narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places.

EK signature suites would not make sense in the narrow bodies...
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:44 pm

^ They would offer a regional J class or even a Y+ besides Y on the aircraft.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:53 pm

WOW. I honestly did not expect an increase for PER with QR around now. I guess EK are trying to put up a fight and keep EY out of the market. Then again, over the peak periods EK have been throwing on the odd 3rd daily service, so the demand is definitely there.

Congratulations to ADL too!
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
Two hours is not that much!

In your opinion, maybe. But when it takes only about two hours to fly from LYS to any other Euro hub and board a connection to DXB or anywhere else, nobody is going to opt to fly EK to GVA and spend two hours sitting in a car.

There is a reason EK is introducing this flight. They ain't foolish.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 5):
LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA.

The shortest route by road between the city centers of GVA and LYS is about 150 km (93 miles). If you can do that in 50 minutes you're risking a very serious speeding ticket.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:30 pm

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 23):
Congratulations to ADL too!


Good news for ADL! SQ and CX increases and now EK into the market. Makes QF's less than daily ADL-SIN service even more uncompetitive. C'mon Simon Hickey, you know you need daily service!
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
Makes QF's less than daily ADL-SIN service even more uncompetitive. C'mon Simon Hickey, you know you need daily service!


QF have downgraded PER-SIN from a 333 to a 332 on alot of the flights. Pretty abysmal when SQ have announced they will go 4 x daily and upgrade SQ 223/226 to a 773.

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
Lyon

EK081 DXB LYS 1435 1900
EK082 LYS DXB 2055 0615+1

5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.

I have to say I'm somewhat dumbfounded by the use of an A345 to Lyon. Lyon has historically not had much premium demand (at least compared to say GVA or ZRH). In this case EK throws a premium heavy aircraft at this market.

I wonder if the A345 is not rather due to fleet availability than anything else. An A332 or 772 would have probably been more suited to opening this route.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).

I have heard Perth referred to as the most isolated city on earth. The interesting thing about Perth is the massive investments going into it now, and the already huge increase in economic activity from mining. It is like a gold rush town from the old days, but the gold is now iron and gas.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:18 am

Great news for ADL. It's by far my favourite place on the entire planet!

Now start sending some A380s to Gatwick and I will never find a reason to travel through LHR ever again  
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:13 am

When I started a thread about three weeks ago discussing ADL, Emirates Considering Adelaide (by Quokkas Jun 16 2012 in Civil Aviation) I never imagined that an announcement would be made that quickly. Good news for the people of Adelaide and the airport.

EK has been thinking about the third daily to PER for some time now so it is good to see it finally happening. But things look to be getting even better, with Tim Clark being quoted in the West Australian as wanting to bring the A380 to PER within 12 months, while recognising that the airport at present is not equipped to handle it until the terminal expansion is complete in 2014.

PER chief executive officer Brad Geatches is reported as saying "the airport would fast-track some elements of the international terminal project to handle the A380."
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:20 am

Yikes, about the only other major worldwide city not served double daily by EK is Tokyo.
The announcement is probably just around the corner.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 32):
Yikes, about the only other major worldwide city not served double daily by EK is Tokyo.
The announcement is probably just around the corner.

NRT was just a couple of days ago upgauged to A388. I presume that HND service may be added rather than a second daily NRT if EK can fit the HND schedule restraints in its DXB hub operation.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 32):
Does EK serve TPE?

DXB TPE is definitely in the pipeline and I would expect it to launch next year.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 24):
In your opinion, maybe. But when it takes only about two hours to fly from LYS to any other Euro hub and board a connection to DXB or anywhere else, nobody is going to opt to fly EK to GVA and spend two hours sitting in a car.

I would rather spend 2 hours on a car than: going to an airport two hours prior to a flight+the 15-20 minute journey TO the airport, the actual flight (1-2 hours) and the transit time (1 to 2 hours).
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:54 am

Wow. This is a much larger announcement than I expected from EK! I'm not sure where to start... How about with me eating a bit of crow. I recently posted how EK would have to slow their expansion due to the A380 wing crack issues (but only temporarily). Oops, I was off a bit...

Now when do CPT and LAX get back their 2nd daily flights?   

I think we as a group expected another Australian destination. Good news for ADL.

I'm a little surprised at WAW over Kiev. Anyone have any insight?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 1):
What is the current limitation on the bilateral France-UAE? I believe there is a limitation on total frequencies, but not number of destinations?

I would like to know more on the bilateral as I thought EK was near their limit. So this is a surprise to myself, but I'll admit I didn't follow this aspect of EK very closely.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 33):
DXB TPE is definitely in the pipeline and I would expect it to launch next year.

Thank you.

Do you know the limits on the Dubai/China Bilateral? There are numerous mainland Chinese cities I see as easy expansion for EK. I'm also surprised at the lack of expansion to Russian secondary cities. Any information is appreciated.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank.

Is this a gate or airside issue? In other words, will concourse 3 allow more of the traditional growth for EK, or will gauge be the primary growth in the main banks?

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:42 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
I'm a little surprised at WAW over Kiev. Anyone have any insight?

Here I agree and would have expected OSL before WAW. Kiev (KBP) is served by FZ so perhaps EK don't wish to compete or they feel that the yields are insufficient on that route at present.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
Quoting r2rho (Reply 1):What is the current limitation on the bilateral France-UAE? I believe there is a limitation on total frequencies, but not number of destinations?I would like to know more on the bilateral as I thought EK was near their limit. So this is a surprise to myself, but I'll admit I didn't follow this aspect of EK very closely.

There was a bit of discussion in this forum about two years ago during negotiations between France and the UAE. At the time EK wanted extra rights to CDG and possibly other destinations but France would only allow access to LYS. In the absence of expansion at its preferred and / or other destination(s) I suppose EK had only one option if they wanted to increase sales of seats to/ from France.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:06 am

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 36):
There was a bit of discussion in this forum about two years ago during negotiations between France and the UAE. At the time EK wanted extra rights to CDG and possibly other destinations but France would only allow access to LYS. In the absence of expansion at its preferred and / or other destination(s) I suppose EK had only one option if they wanted to increase sales of seats to/ from France.

Now to France, EK will have to CDG nearly 19 weekly flights (2 A380 + 5 77W), a daily flight to NCE (A345) and 5 weekly flights to LYS (A345).

So fore sure the total frequencies have been increased on the bilateral France-UAE.

LYS is a good choice, offering a solid yield being an industrial & business hub in France.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
Now when do CPT and LAX get back their 2nd daily flights?

The second CPT will be back on December 01. It is only temporarily suspended because of delayed A388 deliveries.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:23 am

Does anyone know why they drop the 3rd to FCO eff from Oct? Do they need the A332 anywhere else?

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
Adelaide will be the airline’s fifth destination in Australia which is currently served with 70 flights per week.

Is it any wonder that Qantas is in such trouble?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
I never cease to be amazed by EK's expansion! Congrats to WAW, LYS and ADL. I think ADL was really just a matter of time and, well, the time has come at last!

WIth respect, I don't know why you are amazed. This is exactly what Emirates is planning to do with 125+ 380's and the rest of their burgeoning fleet. It's quite logical that due to their enviable geographic position, coupled with the emergence of ultra-long range A/C, Emirates can provide high frequency, wide-body service to the likes of LYON because of the enormous , one-stop transfer capability they have in Dubai, and there is no way to compete with that. What we have brewing here is a world-wide bloodbath.

It amazes me that so many people on this thread and in these forums are simply cheering Emirates on and are likewise shocked by Canada's quota (for example) on Emirates flights. WIthout any kind of regulation, I predict a tremendous upheaval in the near future as airlines the world over downsize and lay off personnel, and I think many of them will either fail or become shadows of their former selves, including routes large and small that have nothing to do with flying anywhere near the direction of Dubai and beyond.

Without a level laying field, competition, normally a good thing, deteriorates into monopoly and that is never good. Countless thousands of jobs in countries the world over will be lost in favor of lower paying jobs in Dubai where there is no job security and very high turnover. Perhaps more importantly, dozens of countries will have compromised infrastructure as a result of this unnatural imbalance.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 10):
A big plus for a small airport that wants to claim a larger long haul role.

It's too high a price to pay.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:38 pm

I'm going to re-ask my questino in a different way. How much room is there for expansion at EK's primary waves once concourse 3 is complete? Is there airside room for expansion or is that the bottleneck?

Was DXB ever granted permission for twin independent runway operation? (Enabled by the staggering of the runways.) I recall some discussion on clearing up ATC through Saudi Arabia a few years back. Was that done?

For it is my opinion that Dubai does not have the funds to build out DWC any time soon.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 36):
Here I agree and would have expected OSL before WAW.

I thought OSL was nearly a 'done deal.' Perhaps the seasonality of the route warrants launching at another time?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 36):
I suppose EK had only one option if they wanted to increase sales of seats to/ from France.

I suspect that is the case. I would like to know more about the France-Dubai bilateral.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 38):
The second CPT will be back on December 01. It is only temporarily suspended because of delayed A388 deliveries.

Thank you. I figured CPT would be a short downtime. What I wonder is if the 2nd LAX flight will return anytime soon. (LAX is my 'home airport.')

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 40):
It amazes me that so many people on this thread and in these forums are simply cheering Emirates on and are likewise shocked by Canada's quota (for example) on Emirates flights

Most have moved on with regard to Canada. Overall, it would help Canada's economy to open up a bit more. If EK way off in the Mid-East is that much of a threat to AC, AC has bigger issues lurking under the surface. Passengers desire better connectivity. Seriously, for 3 flights per week there is far too much noise on this forum.

Bilaterals effectively regulate air travel. EK has been at their India passenger cap for a few years. Canada keeps them to a mere 3 flights per week. Japan is very restrictive...

My question is China. Why isn't EK expanding in China? I see a half dozen new destinations that make sense, why are they not being flown to?

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 33):

Quoting carpethead (Reply 32):
Does EK serve TPE?
EK cargo however do since a decade, initially multistop with a 742F in basic Atlas livery no logo/titles, now nonstop with EK livery 744F.

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
I'm a little surprised at WAW over Kiev. Anyone have any insight?

WAW does not have much intercontinental going east, just the new BJS flight (previously HAN). If you want to fly (far) East, you need to backtrack via one of the big European hubs or else HEL, SVO or IST
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 41):
I would like to know more about the France-Dubai bilateral.

I managed to uncover the following:

A 2006 MOU is located at www.ambafrance-eau.org/IMG/20060201-2.pdf ;
In 2011 UAE Interact ( http://www.uaeinteract.com/korean/news/default.asp?ID=327 ) reported that

Quote:
both delegations agreed to add twenty two (22) weekly passenger frequencies, mounting up to fifty seven (57), the total number of frequencies available to be operated by the designated airlines of each party.

It goes on to report UAE designated carriers can fly to Paris, Nice, Lyons, Marseilles and Toulouse, with Bordeaux being added in 2011. It does not mention a change to the cap on Paris (which was an issue during the earlier discussions) and had been set at 14 frequencies per week in the 2006 MOU. (But don't EK fly 3 times daily to CDG? EK71, 73 & 75 outbound, EK72,74 & 76 inbound.)

This would imply that there is still room for expansion outside of Paris, if I understand this correctly as meaning EK, EY, etc all have 57 weekly frequencies.

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning.

Also between 9 pm and midnight.

The last flight I took had to park at T1 due to the congestion, they need to finish Concourse 3 ASAP.

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places

They already do with FlyDuabi.

Quoting loveofflying (Reply 14):
Until I saw that it will be a A330-200. Boo!!!!

I'll take A330 or A340 any day over 777 on EK, no need to discuss cramped seating on EK 777 again.
 
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:38 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
Ever since the nonstop DXB BNE was upgauged from A345 to B77W, there is not single ULH flight is the A345s flying program at EK, and the aircraft are often used for routes that are transitioning towards eventual B77W deployment.

Which makes me wonder how they will exit the EK fleet. Do you happen to know when they need their D-Checks? 2013 or later?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 44):
I managed to uncover the following:

Thank you. Good find. I appreciate you finding the details.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 44):
Quote:
both delegations agreed to add twenty two (22) weekly passenger frequencies, mounting up to fifty seven (57), the total number of frequencies available to be operated by the designated airlines of each party.

Interesting. Now how does the UAE split this between Air Arabia, EY, and EK?
I find this all extremely interesting. Including the air service agreement with Panama...

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:47 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 46):
Now how does the UAE split this between Air Arabia, EY, and EK?

As far as I am aware EK and EY are the only UAE carriers offering scheduled services to France at present.
Air Arabia, flydubai and RAK Airways (the smallest of the players) tend to be concentrating on MENA, Central and Southern Asia and to some extent Eastern Europe.

EK offer 3 x daily CDG, 1 daily NCE and the soon to be launched LYS.
EY offer 2 x daily CDG. If I am not mistaken EY also offer codeshare flights to other French destinations as well as with SNCF.
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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:53 am

Quoting vincewy (Reply 45):
Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places

They already do with FlyDuabi.

It is interesting how FlyDubai sticks to under 5 hour missions to avoid paying for crew hotels as part of their model. So not 100% applicable on a thread on French flights.

QR will use their narrowbodies long haul.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 47):
EK offer 3 x daily CDG, 1 daily NCE and the soon to be launched LYS.
EY offer 2 x daily CDG. If I am not mistaken EY also offer codeshare flights to other French destinations as well as with SNCF.

(5+1)*7=42 of 57 allowed. This new flight goes to 49 (of 57). So one more weekly flight to France is allowed by the UAE. It will be interesting to see how that flight is allocated. Will it be first come first served, or is there an internal UAE agreement?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 47):
As far as I am aware EK and EY are the only UAE carriers offering scheduled services to France at present.

I just asked as Air Arabia was mentioned in the press release as allowed to fly to France. (Only EY, EK, and Air Arabia. It is common for bilaterals to list specific airlines as the only allowed entrants.)

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RE: EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw

Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:06 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48):
I just asked as Air Arabia was mentioned in the press release as allowed to fly to France.

It occured to me that Air Arabia have been operating flights from Casablanca as Air Arabia Maroc. Whether these would count as part of the UAE allowance or part of a Moroccan allowance, I do not know. They currently fly from CMN to LYS, BSL and MPL and as the latter two are not mentioned in the MOU they may be counted as being of Moroccan rather than Emirati origin.
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