User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:38 pm

Hello,

I have always been wondering why there isn' t a topic about the french aviation like so many other countries or states. So let' s try it !

Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE

Cheers

Dennis   
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
DIJKKIJK
Posts: 1784
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:03 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE

Correct me if I am wrong but either I have seen that same site before or it is very similar to their previous site.
Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:03 pm

You are right. The "old" version is online again as the new website will be launched on july 11th actually. I have seen the new pages this afternoon, probably a test. It looked nice anyway.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
richcandy
Posts: 622
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2001 4:49 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:12 pm

Hi

Are Eastern Airways flying from Dijon to Southampton this summer?

Can seam to find it on either the French or the UK version of their website.

Alex
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 3):
Are Eastern Airways flying from Dijon to Southampton this summer?

No, this seasonal route was lauched last summer but will not resume this year. 1600 passengers were handled between june and october 2011.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
Falcon Flyer
Posts: 1122
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2000 12:10 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:21 pm

Was anyone else surprised by the Emirates Lyon announcement? Only because of its proximity to Geneva.
My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:47 pm

It looks like AirFrance stikes back on some domestic markets. Volotea announced one month ago 5 weekly flight between Bordeaux and Strasbourg from october 1st. According to www.airfrance.fr AF will reinstate a 3rd daily flight on this route from september 3rd :

AF 5473 BOD 0840 - 1005 SXB 123456- E70
AF 5477 BOD 1725 - 1845 SXB 12345-- ER4
AF 5479 BOD 2115 - 2240 SXB 12345-7 E70

V7 2410 BOD 1040 - 1225 SXB 1------ 717
V7 2410 BOD 1715 - 1850 SXB --345-7 717


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alsatian D
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Roberto gorini

Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:08 pm

AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

Latest Cancellations:
Marseille – Basel – Mulhouse eff 01AUG12 3 weekly (Previously to be cancelled from 03SEP12)
Toulouse – Marseille eff 09SEP12 3 weekly (Reservation to be closed in coming days)

Previously reported cancellations, effective 03SEP12:
Marseille – Barcelona 2 weekly
Marseille – Beirut 3 weekly
Marseille – Dusseldorf 3 weekly

Previously reported cancellations, effective 28OCT12. These flights has been removed on 05JUL12:
Marseille – Brest 4 weekly
Marseille – Copenhagen 3 weekly
Marseille – Hamburg Service to be terminated from 01JUL12
Marseille – Istanbul 4 weekly
Nice – Naples 2 weekly
Toulouse – Athens 4 weekly
Toulouse – Berlin Tegel 4 weekly
Toulouse – Malaga 3 weekly
Toulouse – Vienna 4 weekly

Latest Service Reductions, effective 28OCT12:
Marseille – Casablanca Reduce from 4 weekly to 3 weekly
Marseille – Prague Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly
Marseille – Tunis Reduce from 8 weekly to daily
Nice – Paris Orly Reduce from 21 to 19 daily
Toulouse – Istanbul Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly

Previously reporte cancellations, effective 03SEP12:
Marseille – Bordeaux Reduces from 4 to 3 Daily
Marseille – Brest Reduces from daily to 4 weekly (To be cancelled from 28OCT12)
Marseille – Hamburg Reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Marseille – Lille Sundays service reduce from 2 to 1 flight

AIRFRANCE has announced frequency reductions on following routes in its daily bulletin in the GDS, however it does not match current availability/schedule listing:
Marseille – Athens eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly (GDS displays only 2 weekly)
Nice – Venice eff 28OCT12 Reduces from 3 to 1 weekly (GDS displays 2 weekly)
Toulouse – Hamburg eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly (GDS displays 3 weekly)
Toulouse – Prague eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 1 weekly (GDS displays 2 weekly)

Source : Airline Route
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
JU068
Posts: 2094
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:53 am

Air France will add three weekly flights from Lyon to Budapest, flights will be operated by a CRJ-1000.

AF5978 LYS 1055 – 1300BUD
AF5979 BUD 1345 – 1540LYS
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:22 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 1):
Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE


Correct me if I am wrong but either I have seen that same site before or it is very similar to their previous site.

The new site is online now : AIRFRANCE
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:18 am

AIRFRANCE to convert Strasbourg - Venice seasonal service to year-round :

AF 5452 SXB 1155 - 1310 VCE 1------ ER4
AF 5452 SXB 0825 - 0940 VCE ----5-- ER4

AF 5453 VCE 1345 - 1510 SXB 1------ ER4
AF 5453 VCE 1015 - 1140 SXB ----5-- ER4
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:00 pm

Thanks a lot Alsatian for starting this thread  
In link with this thread about how nice and scenic landing in NCE is :
Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions (by saleya22R Jul 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)
I thought we could share what are the airports/landings we prefer in France, for whatever reason. For me :
1- NCE for the reasons described in the above-mentioned thread
2- AJA : whatever the active runway is, arriving above Ajaccio bay is really fantastic. At the time AF was flying a 743 on one of the multiple daily rotation during the summer, I did several times the approach above the city and turning very low in the middle of the hills with the jumbo to finally align it on the runway facing the sea is an incredible landing experience.
3- FSC : when landing facing south (which is not so common) and that means entering Porto Vecchio bay after having passed Rondinara beach, and you fly over beautiful criques and beaches before finally landing in FSC
4- MRS : when you turn above the sea to have the city on your right and chateau d'If on your left. I don't know why but it seems that this approach is less and less used (or even not used anymore) because I haven't had this approach for a very long time (just bad luck or approaches procedures have changed ?)
5- LRT : well this choice will probably surprise some of you but I always found this airport layout very interesting. For those of you who doesn't know this airport, Lorient is an important city in Britanny. The airport is a military airbase (Lann Bihoué) which includes a small civil terminal. The runway is very wide and very long (meaning they never used thrust reversers to land there). The runway has plenty of trees on one side of it (which is quite unusual) and taxiways to serve various parts of the military airbase and the civil terminal are located at both ends of the runway. So this means that taxi to the terminal always take long time but in the middle of the trees, like if you were driving with your car on a forest road. This is for me a unique airport for the layout and always found it interesting

So that's my list. What about your list, guys ?  
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):
Thanks a lot Alsatian for starting this thread

Glad to read a good feedback goldorak. I am sure that you will be a major contributor of this thread !
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:38 am

From november, Ryanair will cut some Madrid and Barcelona flights. Among the routes with reduced frequencies there will be :

MAD - BVA
MAD- MRS
BCN - BVA

Ryanair Cuts Madrid & Barcelona Flights In Response To Spanish Govt Tax Increases
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
saleya22r
Posts: 152
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:13 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):

Goldorak, your list is very interesting. Unfortunately my experience of French airports (the exciting ones) is too limited to give a list.
Maybe in a year or two maybe I'm able to do that. I have never even visited Corsica nearby. It's in my plans for sure!
On a side note, when world's most dangerous airports are listed, Courchevel is usually included. Anyone landed there? I've been skiing there many years ago.
You land uphill right?
Saleya22R
 
mozart
Posts: 2028
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:21 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):

All very nice, I agree, but the best French approaches are a bit further from Paris: St. Barths (my preferred), Papeete and some of the other Polynesian ones, also the jungle airports in French Guyana are very scenic to fly into
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:33 pm

AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december.

In french : AIRFRANCE va fermer la ligne Strasbourg-Roissy
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting saleya22R (Reply 14):
On a side note, when world's most dangerous airports are listed, Courchevel is usually included. Anyone landed there? I've been skiing there many years ago.
You land uphill right?

You are right, this is probably the most dangerous and scenic one !! Not so much people have landed there but I know there a a few on this forum.

Quoting mozart (Reply 15):
All very nice, I agree, but the best French approaches are a bit further from Paris: St. Barths (my preferred), Papeete and some of the other Polynesian ones, also the jungle airports in French Guyana are very scenic to fly into

Of course, probably very nice to land/take-off there. I have never visited those places, yet  
Quoting Alsatian (Reply 16):
AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december

This is really schocking news  Wow! . Of course, we all know the TGV is making a killing on Paris-Strasbourg, but I would never have bet a cent on the axing of the CDG route. I would have been sure that they would have dropped first the ORY route.

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):
4- MRS : when you turn above the sea to have the city on your right and chateau d'If on your left. I don't know why but it seems that this approach is less and less used (or even not used anymore) because I haven't had this approach for a very long time (just bad luck or approaches procedures have changed ?)

Well, I should have wait just a bit before writing this. Because I flew to MRS last week end and we did this approach. Very nice !
 
AFCDGPTP
Posts: 57
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:36 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:08 pm

That's a great thing to see a french avaiation thread !

on the 15th of DEC, XL airways France is launching CDG PTP (3x week); and CDG FDF (3x week) using an 333 that they will be getting in NOV with a 2-class configuration holding 408 seats ! (Ouch !)

(Sorry in french)

http://www.domactu.com/actualite/127...deloupe-parispointe-a-pitre-a-399/

XL France currently operates:
2 A332 (2-class 364 seats)
3 B737-800 (189 seats)
1 A320 (180Y)

Former XL (Star Airlines) did operate PTP & FDF from CDG for a few months for T.O Look Voyages

XK is also launching RUN & Mayotte from CDG on the 6th of DEC
 
JU068
Posts: 2094
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:41 pm

Could the closure of the route from Paris to Strasbourg have to do with the fact that STR is so close? Not to mention that FRA is roughly 2 hours by bus.

When I was looking at flights to Strasbourg via Air France, they were not competitive at all. Flying into STR or flying on Lufthansa via Frankfurt (FRA to SXB is operated by a bus) were much cheaper.

Air France is accused very often of neglecting the countryside and focusing only on Paris. But the fact that their regional hub system went down in flames just goes to prove how they were right in the first place.
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Could the closure of the route from Paris to Strasbourg have to do with the fact that STR is so close? Not to mention that FRA is roughly 2 hours by bus.

No. The TGV high speed train competition is the reason. Paris-Strasbourg is only 2 hrs by train now.
 
JU068
Posts: 2094
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 20):

But I thought that Air France would aim at attracting some connecting traffic from SXB. It must be a high yielding traffic.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 21):
But I thought that Air France would aim at attracting some connecting traffic from SXB. It must be a high yielding traffic.


AF wants to continue to catch this traffic but unfortunately via the TGV. AF will have an agreement with the SNCF on the Strasbourg - Paris CDG railway sector just like the existing Bruxelles - Paris CDG service. There will be an AIRFRANCE counter at Strasbourg station, passengers will be able to do the check in there... Sad news for SXB anyway.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
icna05e
Posts: 130
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:11 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

Waw. Are they dismanteling everything they set up just a year earlier? It seems like they were the only ones believing it could work. And it isn't...
A year is way too short to establish that many flights! Either they could sustain several years at a loss or they shouldn't have gone for it in the first place. I'd take the second solution. In the end, this erratic behavior doesn't serve them any good, whether on the PR side or (and especially) on the financial side. What a waste!

Quoting goldorak (Reply 17):
I would have been sure that they would have dropped first the ORY route.

Indeed! The train competes mostly against ORY and the point-to-point, frequent flights. SXB should still be connected to the waves of the CDG hubs, as are Clermont-Ferrand, Pau or other smaller cities.
It's similar to the impact on LYS: La Navette to Orly was all but dropped and flights to CDG do well with connection passengers.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
their regional hub system went down in flames

What hub? LYS? CFE? The latter was killed by the former, and if the former isn't doing so well it's because AF tried their "provincial bases" strategy. Yep, the one that's failing miserably. So maybe the hub in Lyon has reasons to exist after all!
 
User avatar
breiz
Posts: 1417
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:12 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:57 am

If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.
About 60 pilots are required by Transavia France to man 6 additional planes.
So far no official statement from AirFrance's management.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:21 pm

AIRFRANCE to launch Lyon - Goteborg from september 17th :

AF 3224 LYS 1500 - 1725 GOT ----5-- ER4
AF 3224 LYS 1730 - 1955 GOT 1234--7 ER4

AF 3225 GOT 1800 - 2030 LYS ----5-- ER4
AF 3225 GOT 2030 - 2300 LYS 1234--7 ER4
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
LJ
Posts: 4112
Joined: Wed Nov 17, 1999 8:28 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:35 pm

I don't know if already mentioned, but AF will reduce CDG-ATH to twice daily A319 instead of 3 daily in W12.
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 26):

I don't know if already mentioned, but AF will reduce CDG-ATH to twice daily A319 instead of 3 daily in W12.

yes, and not only AF. All carriers are downsizing ATH.
 
76er
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:04 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting breiz (Reply 24):
If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.

Would you be able to provide a source?
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:05 am

Quoting 76er (Reply 28):
Would you be able to provide a source?

Here is one (in french) : Pilotes Air France : 6 mois de salaire pour aller chez Transavia
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
76er
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:04 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:40 am

Merci beaucoup!

Doesn't look like a very attractive offer in the long term. I don't expect many volunteers.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:38 pm

Vueling has axed its Toulouse - Lille route. 4 flights per week were launched with A319 since late march. AIRFRANCE and easyJet are still operating between the two cities.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:58 am

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 16):
AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december.

There is a petition online to try to reverse this decision : http://www.avaaz.org/fr/petition/a_2/?cLTUpdb
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:13 am

According to La Tribune, AIRFRANCE plans to launch international flights ex Paris Orly from late october. The destinations would be ATH, CMN, IST and FCO with one daily flight. These are mainly O/D destinations which are already served by LCC (easyJet, Vueling, Pegasus...).

In french : air-france-etudie-le-lancement-de-vols-internationaux-au-depart-d-orly
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:32 am

Next summer Skywork will fly daily from Berne to Nice ( an increase from 3 fligths per week this season ) :

SX 430 BRN 1600 - 1710 NCE
SX 431 NCE 1740 - 1845 BRN
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:38 am

Quoting breiz (Reply 24):
If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.
About 60 pilots are required by Transavia France to man 6 additional planes.
So far no official statement from AirFrance's management.

Now it's BritAir who is considering to propose to some pilots a temporary assignment at Garuda (on CRJ1000). Link in French (sorry) :
http://fr.finance.yahoo.com/actualit...-propose-à-pilotes-153136546.html
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:32 pm

Some news about the future of the AF' feeders ( BritAir, Regional and Airlinair ) :

In french : Air France précise les contours de son prochain pôle régional

The fleet of the three carriers will be downsized from 93 to 86 airliners in 2013 and Airlinair could see its activities to go up
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
debonair
Posts: 2694
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:50 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:31 pm

Seems the A330 is a very popular plane in France!

Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 18):
on the 15th of DEC, XL airways France is launching CDG PTP (3x week); and CDG FDF (3x week) using an 333 that they will be getting in NOV with a 2-class configuration holding 408 seats ! (Ouch !)

Any idea where this A333 is coming from? And will it be possible for a full loaded A333 to reach PTP non-stop from Paris?
In other news, I heard rumors, XL Airways France will re-brand as true no-frills carrier (a la Air Asia X)- is it true?

According to Corsair new webpage:
En fin d’année 2012, deux A330.300 neufs rejoindront la flotte, qui sera entièrement renouvelée et reconfigurée à mi 2013.

Sorry my French is not the best, do I understand it right, Corsair will receive as well 2 used A333? Any idea who was the previous owner?!

In other news, Aigle Azur will also an A330 operator soon. Any idea which routes will be served? Maybe Vietnam? Any idea of the identity of these planes (maybe ex Kingfisher?)
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:32 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
According to Corsair new webpage:
En fin d’année 2012, deux A330.300 neufs rejoindront la flotte, qui sera entièrement renouvelée et reconfigurée à mi 2013.

Sorry my French is not the best, do I understand it right, Corsair will receive as well 2 used A333? Any idea who was the previous owner?!

It means : two new A330-300s will join the fleet late 2012, then all the fleet will be refurbished by the middle of 2013.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
In other news, I heard rumors, XL Airways France will re-brand as true no-frills carrier (a la Air Asia X)- is it true?

I didn't hear anything about this, but may be it's true. We'll see !

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
In other news, Aigle Azur will also an A330 operator soon. Any idea which routes will be served? Maybe Vietnam? Any idea of the identity of these planes (maybe ex Kingfisher?)

I doubt Aigle Azur will go so far. They announced before the summer their intention to launch new routes to the middle east, like BEY or CAI. So maybe those birds are for this.
 
r2rho
Posts: 2439
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:13 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

What is going on? Many of those routes have only been active a couple of months! I actually saw some potential in a less Paris-centric strategy, but it looks like it has been a complete failure. Too late to market perhaps, with U2 already having built up a too strong presence?

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
Toulouse – Hamburg eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly (GDS displays 3 weekly)

With all the Airbus-related traffic and lack of options between the two cities, you would have thought that this route would have done well... the lack of a sunday flight to allow for weekend trips was a handicap IMO.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Air France is accused very often of neglecting the countryside and focusing only on Paris. But the fact that their regional hub system went down in flames just goes to prove how they were right in the first place.

It's hard to say after only some months... they hardly even tried and are already pulling back.

Quoting icna05e (Reply 23):
this erratic behavior doesn't serve them any good, whether on the PR side or (and especially) on the financial side.

Indeed, many routes were announced with fanfare and are being cancelled only months later... not a great way to project your image!
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:28 pm

More details about the fleet of the future AIRFRANCE regional carrier :

BritAir : 1 CRJ-1000 and 4 CRJ-100s to leave the fleet and 2 CRJ-700s to arrive

Regional : 3 ERJ-170s and 2 ERJ-145s to leave the fleet and 1 ERJ-190 to arrive

Airlinair : 5 ATR-42s to leave the fleet and 5 ATR-72s to arrive

Air France réduit la flotte et l’effectif de son futur pôle régional


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alsatian D
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Yan David

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © De Guidi Monica - VRN Spotter Group

Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
r2rho
Posts: 2439
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:13 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 41):
BritAir : 1 CRJ-1000 and 4 CRJ-100s to leave the fleet and 2 CRJ-700s to arrive

OK for the CR1's and CR7's, but the CRK is brand new and apparently performing well, why would they get rid of that? Get rid of another few CR1's instead.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 41):
Regional : 3 ERJ-170s and 2 ERJ-145s to leave the fleet

Why get rid of E170's? There are still ERJ145's and IIRC even ERJ135's, I would retire any of those before getting rid of an E170...

The article is not very clear, what does it mean by "losing"? Retiring, selling, grounding? What does it mean by "recovering"? Buying, leasing, putting parked frames back into service?

Another interesting info is that the new regional subsidiary will be announced Jan 2013.
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:34 pm

XLAirways to launch Marseilles - New york from 31MAY13. Flights will be bookable from 1500UTC today with 3000 return tickets from 449euros taxes included.

[Edited 2012-09-06 05:35:31]

[Edited 2012-09-06 05:35:56]
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
AF185
Posts: 289
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:58 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:34 am

Hi all,

After 10 years reading A.net forums every day, I have finally joined the community. This is my first post!

I am wondering what will be the impact of the new Qantas-Emirates tie up on the AF-QF codeshares on the CDG-SIN-Australia and CDG-HKG-Australia routes. Are these codeshares going to end?

What could be the near future alternatives for AF? Codesharing with CZ via CAN, or with GA via CGK once they enter Skyteam (2014)? Another alternative could be with Etihad through AUH, considering the current tie up discussions both airlines are having..

Thanks for your insights
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
After 10 years reading A.net forums every day, I have finally joined the community. This is my first post!

Glad you start with the French aviation thread !

Some changes for S13 are loaded on the AIRFRANCE site. Here are some frequencies reductions from CDG to (weekly freq S12 vs S13) :

ATH from 35 32S to 28 32S
BLL from 19 ER4 to 7 E90
CGN from 18 AT5 to 7 E90   
LJU from 13 ER4 to 7 CR7
MAD from 55 32S to 49 32S
MUC from 46 32S to 41 32S
PRG from 27 32S to 20 32S
PSA from 21 CR7 to 14 CR7
STR from 35 318 to 28 318
VIE from 28 32S to 21 32S
ZAG from 14 CR7 to 7 AR8
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
goldorak
Posts: 1362
Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:29 am

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
I am wondering what will be the impact of the new Qantas-Emirates tie up on the AF-QF codeshares on the CDG-SIN-Australia and CDG-HKG-Australia routes. Are these codeshares going to end?

yes, it has been announced by QF that this code-share agreement with AF will end in march 2013.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
What could be the near future alternatives for AF? Codesharing with CZ via CAN, or with GA via CGK once they enter Skyteam (2014)? Another alternative could be with Etihad through AUH, considering the current tie up discussions both airlines are having

Yes, those are possible alternatives. Add VN to the list. But I believe all those carriers a only serving SYD, while QF was serving several cities from SIN and HKG (ADL, MEL, Brisbane, Perth, etc). A deal with Virgin Australia should not be excluded as well.
 
sxb
Posts: 88
Joined: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:25 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:00 am

Does anyone know how Volotea is doing on the French market (or even overall) so far?
SXB
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:48 am

Quoting sxb (Reply 47):
Does anyone know how Volotea is doing on the French market (or even overall) so far?

I don't have any figure but we can see on Volotea's website some suffs :

NTE - ETZ reduced to 2 weekly instead of 3 untill late october
NTE - SXB to be increased to 6 weekly instead of 5 from 17DEC to 6JANV
BOD - LIL to be increased to 5 weekly instead of 4 from 26DEC to 31JANV
SXB - BOD to be increased to 6 weekly instead of 5 from 17DEC to 6JANV
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
 
User avatar
Alsatian
Topic Author
Posts: 518
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 10:19 pm

RE: French Aviation Thread

Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:30 pm

AF could postpone the SXB-CDG route cancellation.

In french : LaFermetureDeLaLigneStrasbourgRoissyPourraitEtreDecalee
Ok I am French but I am not on strike

Who is online