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DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:45 am

From what I am hearing DCA will be the first city that will be integrated WN/FL city. WN has no flights at this point but DCA AUS SAN is the first with DCA STL next unless something comes out on July 9th. There are no WN personnel at this time in DCA just FL.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:39 am

Still hoping CLT will be soon
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:45 am

Integrated how? Aren't there already cities where WN ramp is working FL flights?
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 2):
Integrated how? Aren't there already cities where WN ramp is working FL flights?

Yeah, what metric is the OP using? Right now, DSM will be the first 100% turned over station followed by EYW. If you're counting former FL stations that now or will have WN presence then isn't ATL first on that list? Southwest's AUS-DCA service starts this Sunday but there will still be FL until further notice.

Are you suggesting that DCA will be the first city where FL/WN break ranks and operate as one airline and not as discrete entities?

[Edited 2012-07-04 20:54:32]
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:18 am

What do you mean by "integrated"?
At LAX for instance FL used a handling company, but since April moved in with SWA.
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:03 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):

What do you mean by "integrated"?
At LAX for instance FL used a handling company, but since April moved in with SWA

Same at PHX, FL moved from T3 over to T4 where WN does below wing and the ground handler still does above wing. This moved happened in October.

So any word if these smaller FL stations will remained outsourced or will WN take over all FL ground handling system wide?
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:47 am

By WN's own definition, SEA will be the first station to become fully integrated at the end of summer.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 6):

That is what has been previously announced that SEA was going to be the first integrated city. I think FL doesn't run too many flights from SEA.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:22 am

Quoting gizmonc (Thread starter):
There are no WN personnel at this time in DCA just FL.

Thats not true...the Station Manager is now WN as well as the training staff that are training the FL crews and FSS on the ramp side. Starting Monday there will be even more WN personel at DCA to start the transition process.

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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:13 am

Quoting AS739BSI (Reply 7):
That is what has been previously announced that SEA was going to be the first integrated city. I think FL doesn't run too many flights from SEA

I thought I read this too here on A.net. Maybe the fact that there are only a few FL flights may be the reason to try it first here. Either way, I wish WN would just get on with it, it's got to be confusing for passengers to some extent. Is there an actual timeline yet for this to all be wrapped up? I know it is not as easy as just getting it over with, but greater things have been accomplished in lesser time than this airline integration, that is what we are calling it now, isn't it?  
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):

How is it confusing? You buy a ticket on AirTran, you go to the AirTran ticket counter, go to an AirTran or cobranded AirTran/Southwest gate and then you get on an airplane that says AirTran on it operated by AirTran crews.

I don't find that to be confusing, much less when it's compared to mainline carrier flights operated by regional airline partners or purchasing tickets on united.con that are operated by USAirways.
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:49 pm

There are ground ops postings right now for DCA. There looking for 7 operations agents to transfer in from what I can tell so there will be WN agents working the flights.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:06 pm

Anyone know when GRR is going to be all WN?
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:11 pm

Sept 8 will be the first WN flight out of DCA. Current FL Station manager became the WN station manager, The seniority between FL IAM and WN IAM has not be fully decided, but they are working on it. The Ramp is a vendor at this time in DCA but until WN finds sufficent space the vendor will work the ramp. Once Customer service integration is completed DCA employees will be able to work either a FL flight or WN flight. The FL employees at DCA will not become WN employees until the IAM seniority is complete.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 13):
Sept 8 will be the first WN flight out of DCA.

DCA-AUS on WN metal begins July 8th.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:50 pm

Thaniks sdoyon.... I forgot to put the city pairs in my post. DCA STL is scheduled to start Sept 30. To me this sure is moving very FAST.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:59 pm

I hope WN can get the slots shifted to their requested times, because it will maximize their connecting opportunities out of STL.

Proposed DCA departure times:
Depart DCA: 12:00-12:59p
Depart DCA: 6:00-6:59p

If they leave at the absolute latest during the 12:00 (12:59p) hour, their arrival in STL would occur around 2:15, which would allow connections to most of STLs destinations.

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After looking at WNs 1-Oct-12 schedule, and assuming the DCA-STL services starts sometime in September, connections are possible to: DAL, DEN, HOU, LAS, LIT, MCI, MDW, MKE, MSP, OKC, OMA, PHX, SEA, TUL. (routes that require backtracking, like DCA-STL-BOS were omitted from this)

It also appears that STL has a 9:00p "bank" with flights to cities like TUL, LIT, OKC, HOU -- this would provide more time efficient connections for the later DCA-STL flight.

[Edited 2012-07-05 07:11:30]
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:19 pm

I'm still confused here...

By what defination is DCA going to be the first integrated station for Air Tran and Southwest?.. By the OP's own posting (the second one) there are stations currently operating exactly how DCA will.
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 13):
Sept 8 will be the first WN flight out of DCA. Current FL Station manager became the WN station manager, The seniority between FL IAM and WN IAM has not be fully decided, but they are working on it. The Ramp is a vendor at this time in DCA but until WN finds sufficent space the vendor will work the ramp. Once Customer service integration is completed DCA employees will be able to work either a FL flight or WN flight. The FL employees at DCA will not become WN employees until the IAM seniority is complete.

Maybe as CSAs, but as I commented earlier WN is transfering in 7 operations agents as well, Since FL's csa's are IAM they will not be able to board flights which is why it is necessary for WN to bring in ops agents.

There are also postings right now for ops agents in CAK and DAY.
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
I'm still confused here...

By what defination is DCA going to be the first integrated station for Air Tran and Southwest?.. By the OP's own posting (the second one) there are stations currently operating exactly how DCA will.

I think OP was refering to DCA being the first city to be 100% WN from a station that had zero presence of WN to begin with.

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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 19):
I think OP was refering to DCA being the first city to be 100% WN from a station that had zero presence of WN to begin with.

I still dont see how that will be. Until integration is solved, there will still be FL employees on property so how do we know that they will be the first to go 100% WN?
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):

The employees involved all have combined seniority lists so it's basically a change the plane/crew and signage and those ground employees switch to the WN side.
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting alggag (Reply 3):
Right now, DSM will be the first 100% turned over station followed by EYW. If you're counting former FL stations that now or will have WN presence then isn't ATL first on that list? Southwest's AUS-DCA service starts this Sunday but there will still be FL until further notice.
Quoting FL787 (Reply 6):
By WN's own definition, SEA will be the first station to become fully integrated at the end of summer.

Mods may want to change the thread title since it's been established that DCA is not the first "integrated" city.

Since it's a higher yielding city, anyone know if WN will make an effort to route airframes with the Row 44 Live TV product on it through DCA?
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:46 am

TIMELINE:

DCA- JULY 8th Southwest will operate one daily Southwest flight from DCA to AUS. As a result, the process of converting AirTran Crew Members to Southwest Airlines (*) At this time RAMP in DCA is vendow and will become SWA when space is located.

DAL- Ramp AirTran Crew Members will convert to Southwest Employees in DAL beginning in late July

MKE and IND- The first phase of Ramp AirTran Crew Members to convert to Southwest Employees in MKE and IND will begin in late July (*)

CAK and DAY- Aug 12 Southwest will operate three flights per day in CAK and one flight per day in DAY, As a result the process of converting AirTran Crew Members to Southwest Airlines. (*)

*= Customer Service Agents will undergo training, but they will not become Southwest Employees until SLI for IAM (representing Customer Service and CS&S) is determined

DCA Employees will be eligible to work either a Southwest or AirTran flight once trained and qualified
 
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RE: DCA Be The First Intergated WN/FL City

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:58 pm

There will be a whole host of Southwest folks at DCA, starting today.
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