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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:32 am

Welcome to the 117th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In New Zealand Aviation Thread #116 (by ZKOJH Jun 19 2012 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

- NZ AKL-DPS flights
- Potential for CHC and WLG to get new long haul flights
- Potential new destinations in the Americas for NZ
- NZ 77W on AKL-RAR and NZ's RAR operations
- Fog in AKL

Other related threads:
Air New Zealand To Denver? (by klwright69 Jul 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:25 am

well best get Number 17 off to a start then;

ANZ are in hot water ''

''Kiwis pay top dollar on Air NZ''

Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights.

A customer based in Britain who books online a return economy-class flight from London to Auckland will pay much less than a New Zealand-based traveller who books the same journey in reverse on Air New Zealand's website at the same time.

The price disparity can vary wildly, but a standard round-trip between Auckland and Heathrow via Los Angeles will set a New Zealand-based passenger back $500 more for an economy seat, $1500 more for a SkyCouch upgrade, $2100 more for a premium economy seat and $3000 in business class.

follow the story below.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10818060

and

**SCHEDULE CHANGES TO LONDON VIA HONG KONG**


Air New Zealand wishes to advise that the operating flight number for our one-stop service between Auckland and London via Hong Kong will change from NZ39 to NZ35 for all B777-200 flights between Monday 29 October 2012 and Saturday 30 March 2013. Flight arrival and departure times are as follows.

• Depart AKL 23:59 arrive HKG 06:05 the following day
• Depart HKG 09:05 arrive LHR 14:45

[Edited 2012-07-09 01:29:17]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:35 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
''Kiwis pay top dollar on Air NZ''

Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights.



I guess it was a slow news day again at the Herald ( Just like every other day   ) . In the Singaporean media you will frequently read something similar "Singaporeans pay top dollar on SQ" while in Aussie it will be "Aussies pay top dollar for QF" and in Britain it would read "British pay top pounds on BA". It's the way the market works. The home carrier in any market is almost always the most expensive. In other markets they need to price more keenly because of the lack of prescence/recognition.

Annoying? Yes.

Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
change from NZ39 to NZ35

I wonder what is the reason for the change. NZ38/39 is a lot easier to remember than NZ35/38.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:06 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
I guess it was a slow news day again at the Herald ( Just like every other day ) . In the Singaporean media you will frequently read something similar "Singaporeans pay top dollar on SQ" while in Aussie it will be "Aussies pay top dollar for QF" and in Britain it would read "British pay top pounds on BA". It's the way the market works. The home carrier in any market is almost always the most expensive. In other markets they need to price more keenly because of the lack of prescence/recognition.

100% agreed! Germans pay more on LH, Dutch on KL, etc... it's just the home advantage of an airline, and nothing new at all....
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.

I sent an email to the journalist concerned telling her that she had not served her readers very well by not doing a fare comparison with the other one stop carriers out of NZL to LHR . ( CX and SQ)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights

While there may be similar stories in other countries showing the home carrier charging more for routes originaing in its home country, i still think that it was a good article as outside of this forum many members of the public are unaware that such 'market forces' are so markedly at play.

With the collapse of Greece, the UK APD and the Euro crisis in general, the J class pricing for Europe originating itineraries is as inconsistent as ever. E.g. An executive flying business class from Germany would pay 4,777 Euro on Lufthansa while this is a mere 2,440 Euro if the itinerary for the same lufthansa flights originates in Athens. On BA, return Amsterdam to JFK is 2,331 pounds while direct from Heathrow it is a staggering 4,720 pounds.

Still, for an airline partially owned by the govt who is elected to act in the publics best interests, some may view this an an outrage, an unfair 'profit' or 'tax' (as the govt is ashareholder) derived from people choosing NZ based on naional pride and loyalty as the article reports. Of course, some posters clearly take the political position that the best interests of the voters of NZ is best served by NZ making the max possibe profit available for distribution. Of course such political distinctions are inevitable.

Of note, one must remember that in decades gone by, IATA regulated airfares in such way that this would not happen. Airlines had to adjust airfares with currency movements, if not they would face stiff penalties. I, like many, favour deregulation, but it is merely interesting to note that it was considered in all's best interest not to allow such pricing regimes in the days of IATA regulation.

[Edited 2012-07-09 16:40:18]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:31 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
Annoying? Yes.

Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.

This is old news indeed..I remember 25 years ago or so the same thing was going on. It cost my Family in England, far less than it did for me to fly Qantas between Sydney and London and vis a versa. The reason we were given back then was also something to do with High/low season's in the respective countries.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:40 am

I just flew NZ for the first time last week going PER-AKL-HNL in J, I just wanted to pop in and say you Kiwis know how to run an airline unlike a certain idiot on this side of the Tasman! Both flights were EXCEPTIONAL and some of the best service I have ever received, even better than SQ. As old as she was, the 763 seemed absolutely immaculate inside and the 772 was even better! Cannot wait to fly NZ again.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 8):

Good to know your experience was positive. How did you take the change from the 763 J seat to the herringbone?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
How did you take the change from the 763 J seat to the herringbone?

Honestly, for a 6 hour flight, the 763 J was fine, even for a redeye service. The whole atmosphere of the cabin was very sophisticated, the black leather and dark carpets look stunning with the cabin's square lines. The herringbone was fantastic, much better than CX's old J because it's less claustrophobic.

The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:21 am

Everyone set for the big show tommrow the launch of ANZ 'OneUp' !!

how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??  

The way I see it, if you want to fly Business class then pay the price, no point of trying to bid for it and only know a week before hand if you have it!

Air New Zealand's new 'bid for upgrades' auction system takes effect tomorrow, July 12, as the airline abandons the long-standing ability to purchase upgrades at a fixed price using Airpoints dollars -- Air NZ's version of frequent flyer points.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/airnz-makes-...id-for-upgrades-via-online-auction

 Wow!   
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:39 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 11):
how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??

Longer than you might think. I always predicted that the life span of the marketing own-goal "Ricco" would be measured in nano seconds; instead, it lasted about a year. "One up" I imagine was contrived by the same demographic (albeit in different departments) as Ricco, and will be similarly loved by the travelling public. Another iteration of the "downgrade-hype-release-backtrck" cycle from NZ that's become monotonously predictable over the last few years.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 10):
The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.

Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 11):
how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??

Too long. But they've already lost many high valued customers before the scheme had even been implemented - very hard for them to win back those passengers, I'd imagine.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:49 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

The seats and IFE on the 772 do look a bit aged by now. Does the IFE on 772 crash more often than the Panasonic version, or is it just me?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:57 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

Except, of course, for the fact the 77W has ten abreast in Y, whereas the 772 has nine.

I recently traveled on a full 772 in Y - it was an utter sardine can. What is must be like to travel in similar circumstances AKL-LHR in Y on the 77W, I cannot imagine.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 am

Air NZ drops down world's best airline list - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...rops-down-worlds-best-airline-list

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 10):
the 763 J was fine, even for a redeye service. The whole atmosphere of the cabin was very sophisticated, the black leather and dark carpets look stunning with the cabin's square lines. The herringbone was fantastic, much better than CX's old J because it's less claustrophobic.

The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.

Flying NZ246 (DPS-AKL) last week I was upgraded into J (flight was just over half full) and I found 2A to be very comfy for a day time flight. Thought the new ordering system and touch screen were excellent.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 15):
I recently traveled on a full 772 in Y - it was an utter sardine can.

I was in a packed CX 77W.. surely felt a lot more spacious than a sardine can.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:50 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Air NZ drops down world's best airline list

I know people will question how objective Skytrax is, but this (drop from 7th to 17th - the worst of any airline on the list) equates with my experience. NZ used to be significantly better than AC (19th), but I now find them about the same. AC is a *** airline, so I wonder if NZ is on the verge of being downgraded. Sad, really, especially for the front-line staff who still go the extra mile as best they can, but are handicapped by a downgraded product. I guess CEOs who spend most of their time fluffing on social media don't improve pax' appreciation of the actual product.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:12 pm

Omg 7th to 17 thats pritty very bad even for nz standards, what reasons are behind such a big drop? Oh they should listern to the customers however there probley jumping ship in big numbers what a day!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Air NZ drops down world's best airline list

I know, this was a huge kick in the guts to NZ. Even though people argue skytrax is not the be all and end all of ranking systems it is still a gauge none the less. Quite a few comments on the site about the decline in quality, 3-4-3 on a 777, seats to suit not being what it's cracked up to be etc etc.

I really hope things will turn around before it's too late
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Can't wait to see this!

Air New Zealand's promoting Hobbit on flights and spending millions on movie promotions including...........painting two B777s (B77W and B772) into Hobbit planes

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ealand-promoting-Hobbit-on-flights
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:58 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
painting two B777s (B77W and B772) into Hobbit planes

Fantastic news. Once these aircraft are repainted (or have a sticker applied), the following Air New Zealand aircraft will be wearing special liveries:

'Crazy About Rugby':
ZK-OAB, ZK-OJR,

'All Black' (identical to the A320s but with a larger Koru and no 'Crazy About Rugby' titles):
ZK-OKQ, ZK-EAG

'Star Alliance':
ZK-OJH (currently it has a 15 years sticker also http://bit.ly/ShN7wo)

'The Hobbit':
ZK-OK*, ZK-OK*

Unless I am missing any, that is seven aircraft in total. Some kind of record for Air New Zealand, maybe?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):

Unless I am missing any, that is seven aircraft in total. Some kind of record for Air New Zealand, maybe?

Two more 1900Ds are still to be painted black, so a total of 9 aircraft once finished.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):

Still waiting for a retrojet of some sort too!  
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
Air New Zealand's promoting Hobbit on flights and spending millions on movie promotions including...........painting two B777s (B77W and B772) into Hobbit planes

  
After the Skytrax results they should cut out the flashy stuff and start dealing with the substance. The travelling experience has nothing to do with the paint job on the aircraft.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 25):
After the Skytrax results they should cut out the flashy stuff and start dealing with the substance. The travelling experience has nothing to do with the paint job on the aircraft.

It comes down to consistency of product for me, Passengers need to know what they will be offered as product onboard will not change from flight to flight, or destination to destination. Informed, Content passengers tend to give better result and tend to pay more too if it is a service worth paying for.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
Two more 1900Ds are still to be painted black, so a total of 9 aircraft once finished

Would be nice to see it in some of the other fleet
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:35 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):

Fully agree! A Q300 and ATR would look nice IMHO, but the high wings would reduce the look
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
Two more 1900Ds are still to be painted black, so a total of 9 aircraft once finished.

Good to hear.   Do we know what timeframe this will happen in?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):
Still waiting for a retrojet of some sort too!  

Well that makes two of us. I would love to see a TEAL or NAC livery on one of the 737s before they finally leave the fleet. While we are on the subject, does anyone know in what state of being parted out ZK-NGF is in? Is there anything left to see?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
Fully agree! A Q300 and ATR would look nice IMHO, but the high wings would reduce the look

Well, Mount Cook Airlines is scheduled to take delivery of a few ATR72-600s at the end of the year. Maybe one of them could wear an 'All Black' livery also.
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 29):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):Still waiting for a retrojet of some sort too!


Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):Mount Cook Airlines is scheduled to take delivery of a few ATR72-600s at the end of the year. Maybe one of them could wear an 'All Black' livery also.

Or, speaking of retro, a Mt Cook Lily livery.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:36 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):

Is CHC capable of taking an A380 if Auckland was closed?

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 30):

Crazy Idea: What about a crazy about rugby Mt Cook lily cross?  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
Fully agree! A Q300 and ATR would look nice IMHO, but the high wings would reduce the look

How old are the oldest ATR 72-500 because Airnz could take up their extra -600 options to replace some of them
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 32):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
Is CHC capable of taking an A380 if Auckland was closed?

Yes CHC is able to handle A380s

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 32):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):Fully agree! A Q300 and ATR would look nice IMHO, but the high wings would reduce the look
How old are the oldest ATR 72-500 because Airnz could take up their extra -600 options to replace some of them

Some are about 5 years old
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:50 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 33):
Some are about 5 years old

Look at this
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fleet
Where some of the newer ATRs delivered before the oldest Q300's?
Some of the ATRs must really be getting on then, when were the first of them delivered and how much of a fuel saving does the -600 get over the -500?
How much life is in TP's in general?
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:56 am

ZK-MCA is the oldest ATR in the fleet and is almost 13 years old. Link here: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-atr-597.htm

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 35):
ZK-MCA is the oldest ATR in the fleet and is almost 13 years old. Link here:

By the time the options become available that aircraft will be at least 16 years old, would this be old enough for NZ to consider retiring these aircraft?
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:16 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 34):

Newest is 8 years old according to Airfleets
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:26 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 36):
By the time the options become available that aircraft will be at least 16 years old, would this be old enough for NZ to consider retiring these aircraft?

Interesting question

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fleet

lists their average age as 11.5 years at the moment. They mention their daily usage is about 7.4 hours per aircraft, but without knowing what their average sector flight time is that doesn't really give a lot of clues about how many cycles they do per day. What is the normal life expectancy of a commuter turboprop ? Since they have much more frequent cycles than longhaul aircraft I guess they 'age' faster even though their actual utilisation rates are much lower in terms of hours.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 38):
but without knowing what their average sector flight time is that doesn't really give a lot of clues about how many cycles they do per day

AKL-NPE is around an hour, AKL-PMR is about the same, PMR-CHC would be similar too and same with CHC-DUD or CHC-ZQN. To me, these include the main routes in which the AT7 operates.. Sure, there are a handful more but I'd base it around that so maybe 7 or even 8 cycles a day?

The AT7s don't seem too old. Though a far bigger order of ATR 72-600s could see them replace the -500 fleet sometime in the next 5-10 years.. Or so I'd imagine. They're already looking to replace some Q300 flights with the -600 when that comes in so any extra order of -600s is surely going to cater for some more transitions to Q300 flights as well.

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 32):
Is CHC capable of taking an A380 if Auckland was closed?

IIRC CHC was A380-capable before AKL was.. Though it doesn't mean they had/have a dual airbridge; so disembarking/boarding would be a huge hassle.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):
'All Black' (identical to the A320s but with a larger Koru and no 'Crazy About Rugby' titles):
ZK-OKQ, ZK-EAG
Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
Two more 1900Ds are still to be painted black, so a total of 9 aircraft once finished.

ZK-EAK was repainted at the end of Jan in the All Black livery. Was only out for a month or so if my memory serves me correctly before going back in the hanger for wing checks.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 39):
IIRC CHC was A380-capable before AKL was.. Though it doesn't mean they had/have a dual airbridge; so disembarking/boarding would be a huge hassle.

Do you think in the future that CHC will build a Double Airbridge so that it can properly handle an A380 because you never know EK might want to send one of their 90 A380 to CHC one day

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 39):
The AT7s don't seem too old. Though a far bigger order of ATR 72-600s could see them replace the -500 fleet sometime in the next 5-10 years.. Or so I'd imagine.

Yes but how does a 16 year old -500 stack up against a brand new -600 economically

Also on TP issues how old are the oldest B1900Ds and if they need and when what would they be replaced with.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 41):
Also on TP issues how old are the oldest B1900Ds and if they need and when what would they be replaced with.

First one arrived in 2001 as far as I'm aware so thats 11 years old for the oldest one. The replacement will be interesting though, lack of replacements in the 19 seat market at the moment.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 41):
Also on TP issues how old are the oldest B1900Ds and if they need and when what would they be replaced with.
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 42):
First one arrived in 2001 as far as I'm aware so thats 11 years old for the oldest one. The replacement will be interesting though, lack of replacements in the 19 seat market at the moment.

ZK-EAP was the last Beech 1900 ever made - delivered November 2002, so nearly 10 years old. ZK-EAQ and ZK-EAR were originally delivered in 1999 to Commutair (registered N846CA and N845CA respectively) and joined the Eagle Air fleet in 2007 and 2008.

As for Beech 1900 replacements, the only aircraft of comparable capacity that remain in production are the RUAG Dornier 228NG and the Lett L-410 Turbolet (and maybe the Cessna Caravan - but that is a long shot). I very much doubt that Eagle Air will operate any of those. I expect that Air New Zealand will run the Beech 1900s for as long as they can - maybe buying a few extra for parts. Once they become uneconomical to operate some routes will probably get up-gauged to the Q300s and the ones that don't make money will likely get cut.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:49 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 43):

So does that mean it will be "the end" of Eagle Air? I know it is part of the Air NZ group but just wondering would it cease to exist as a separate entity by then...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting Megatop747-412 (Reply 44):
So does that mean it will be "the end" of Eagle Air? I know it is part of the Air NZ group but just wondering would it cease to exist as a separate entity by then...

3 bases, 3 management structures, 3 fleets, 3 separate crew pools is untenable. The lack of suitable replacement for the 1900D leaves only one option I think
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 45):

A little big but why not the Embraer Brasilia? A growth to 30-seats can't be beyond the realm of many of those smaller provincial routes. Is it too old? Well NZ took the last 733's off the lot and the near last B1900's.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:33 am

I was flying back home from a holiday in Vietnam yesterday, and I had a rather long layover in SIN

While I was there, I spotted an NZ 777-200ER parked outside

Does anyone know why it was there??
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:11 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 47):
I was flying back home from a holiday in Vietnam yesterday, and I had a rather long layover in SIN

While I was there, I spotted an NZ 777-200ER parked outside

Does anyone know why it was there??

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117

Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 46):
A little big but why not the Embraer Brasilia

I thought those went out of production about the same time as the B1900D

If ATR produces the ATR-92 do you think that might buy them to replace the ATR-72-500's because it is a long jump from ATR-72 to A320

Maybe in 2025 the domestic fleet might look something like this
Eagle Airways: 20 ATR-42 (700's?)
Air Nelson: 20 ATR-72
Mount Cook: 10 ATR-92
Mainline: 15 A320neo

Would Nelson be able to handle all the heavy maintenance of these or would some of it have to go elsewhere?

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