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Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:35 pm

See link below.

This has been long roumored, and now is official.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetblu...irelands-aer-lingus-120000677.html
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:39 pm

Great news, this has been floating around for a while. Now if they could just try and move in with UA at ORD and UA/B6 at BOS to eliminate the need to re-clear security for connections after landing from Ireland.

Flight EI109 (DUB-JFK) doesn't pre-clear in Ireland though so how will this work?

[Edited 2012-07-09 05:43:36]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:46 pm

Impressive connection times and nice move by EI . I wonder if they will have a new lounge there or use someone elses. Are there currently lounges in that Terminal?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
I wonder if they will have a new lounge there or use someone elses. Are there currently lounges in that Terminal?

Interesting, I never thought of that. There are no lounges in Terminal 5 but there is free Wi-Fi throughout the terminal and plenty of nice dining options. I wonder what EI will do about this though as they will (obviously) need a lounge...
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
I wonder if they will have a new lounge there or use someone elses.

I was wondering the same. Then again, the Oasis lounge that they currently use at T4 is nothing special, and being located before security it's almost more of a hassle than it's worth. I mainly use it for the wi-fi, so with free wi-fi throughout T5 I'd be just as happy to find a quiet spot in the terminal to send emails and wait to get a drink on the plane. It will be nice to have the better dining options in T5, since I like to eat dinner before the 108 and maximize my sleeping time.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 1):


Flight EI109 (DUB-JFK) doesn't pre-clear in Ireland though so how will this work?

In the very near future T5 will have customs and immigration, so this issue will go away. I'm not sure if there will be any interim period when they might need to clear at T4 and tow over to T5, as JetBlue does with their own aircraft, but that wouldn't be too big a deal.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:03 pm

Based on the Press Release from B6

http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1712623&highlight=

"JFK-bound Aer Lingus customers will clear U.S. Customs and Immigration formalities in Ireland, allowing them to get on their way quickly in New York without the need for queuing after a transatlantic journey. Customers traveling onward with JetBlue to other destinations in the Americas will particularly benefit from the pre-clearance service in Ireland to make fast, same-terminal connections at Terminal 5."

So maybe all EI flights will be pre-clearing now?
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:08 pm

Why doesn't EI pre-clear this flight? Not enough pre-cleared gate space at the time of its departure?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting poLOT (Reply 6):
Why doesn't EI pre-clear this flight? Not enough pre-cleared gate space at the time of its departure?

The pre-clearance at DUB only operates during the morning hours, when most flights to the US are scheduled. It's closed by the time EI109 departs.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 5):
So maybe all EI flights will be pre-clearing now?
Quoting poLOT (Reply 6):

Why doesn't EI pre-clear this flight? Not enough pre-cleared gate space at the time of its departure?

The preclearance closes around 15:00/16:00 at DUB and opening hours are fully controlled by the Department of Homeland Security. Also, the morning flight from Dublin to Boston (EI133) doesn't preclear due to apparent congestion.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 5):
So maybe all EI flights will be pre-clearing now?

Correct  
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 9):
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 5):
So maybe all EI flights will be pre-clearing now?

Correct

Absolutely not. The DHS has a few issues in relation to preclearance here that need attention. The DUB facility is apparently understaffed at times during the busy morning rush (hence why flight EI133 cannot preclear); it does not open in the evening when EI109 departs (in the winter this departure time comes forward to 15:45 so it may preclear from October-April but probably not if the last few winter seasons is to considered) and now the SNN facility is facing cuts meaning flight BA3 will no longer be able to preclear. So that's three Ireland-USA flights that still have to land at international gates in the US. The system is far from consistent but unfortunately nothing can be done about it at this side of the pond.

Back on topic, even if EI109 needs to clear immigration and customs on arrival at JFK, it's good to hear T5 will have an international pier so it is all under one roof for both B6 and EI.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 9):

Ok, so does that mean (a) the pre-clearance hours are being extended, or (b) EI109 is moving earlier?

Either way, not a good development from my perspective. For anyone like me with Global Entry, it's much easier to clear on arrival at JFK than to wait in the pre-clearance line at DUB, and for business class passengers it's annoying to have to leave the lounge early to go through immigration and then to the crowded gate area. At least at that hour the line shouldn't be too bad.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):
Absolutely not. The DHS has a few issues in relation to preclearance here that need attention. The DUB facility is apparently understaffed at times during the busy morning rush (hence why flight EI133 cannot preclear); it does not open in the evening when EI109 departs (in the winter this departure time comes forward to 15:45 so it may preclear from October-April but probably not if the last few winter seasons is to considered) and now the SNN facility is facing cuts meaning flight BA3 will no longer be able to preclear. So that's three Ireland-USA flights that still have to land at international gates in the US. The system is far from consistent but unfortunately nothing can be done about it at this side of the pond.

Do calm down A Shamrock. Have you considered the possibility of the departure of the EI109 moving to an earlier time all year round?

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 11):
Either way, not a good development from my perspective. For anyone like me with Global Entry, it's much easier to clear on arrival at JFK than to wait in the pre-clearance line at DUB, and for business class passengers it's annoying to have to leave the lounge early to go through immigration and then to the crowded gate area. At least at that hour the line shouldn't be too bad.

100% agreed with your secondary points. I was on the 109 two weeks ago: Cleared in JFK within about 5 minutes. However, if on the 105 from March through October I don't even go to the lounge anymore: such is the queue at Pre-Clearance: quite often up to 2 Hours.

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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 12):
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):Absolutely not. The DHS has a few issues in relation to preclearance here that need attention. The DUB facility is apparently understaffed at times during the busy morning rush (hence why flight EI133 cannot preclear); it does not open in the evening when EI109 departs (in the winter this departure time comes forward to 15:45 so it may preclear from October-April but probably not if the last few winter seasons is to considered) and now the SNN facility is facing cuts meaning flight BA3 will no longer be able to preclear. So that's three Ireland-USA flights that still have to land at international gates in the US. The system is far from consistent but unfortunately nothing can be done about it at this side of the pond.

Do calm down A Shamrock. Have you considered the possibility of the departure of the EI109 moving to an earlier time all year round?

The booking engine/timetable indicates that the 109 is moving to the winter departure time of 15.45. That can obviously change, but it would tie in with the announcement of moving to T5 in JFK
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 1):
Great news, this has been floating around for a while. Now if they could just try and move in with UA at ORD and UA/B6 at BOS to eliminate the need to re-clear security for connections after landing from Ireland

Actually, AA was trying to get them to use L10 in ORD.

As for UA, given the arrival time of the flight, UA has enough issues gating their own flights and LH.

Ever wonder why LX, SK, TK, CM still use T5 at ORD?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:15 pm

The 15:45 departure time has always been a seasonal change from 17:10 and even still, does not preclear in Dublin. I can't seem to find any actual opening hours for the preclearance facility.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):
Actually, AA was trying to get them to use L10 in ORD.

Really? I hadn't heard this. Would that not be awkward with the EI/UA codeshare partnership?

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):
LX, SK, TK, CM still use T5 at ORD?

Well I assumed that EI would have a slight advantage given the A330 would not need to be towed over to Terminal 1 after arrival at Terminal 5. It could arrive and depart T1.

[Edited 2012-07-09 11:17:19]
 
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):
it's good to hear T5 will have an international pier so it is all under one roof for both B6 and EI.

Groundbreaking for T5i will not even take place until the end of the summer so we're not seeing an international pier at T5 until probably 2014. EI is moving into T5 in 2013, so I am thinking something is going to be done to pre-clear all flights as T5 will be a "domestic" terminal until T5i is constructed as it really wouldn't make sense operating out of both T4 and T5...both financially or operationally.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 15):
Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):Actually, AA was trying to get them to use L10 in ORD.
Really? I hadn't heard this. Would that not be awkward with the EI/UA codeshare partnership?

Considering AA is/was looking to generate revenue, they were proposing a far cheaper rate overall than the rates/charges at T5.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 17):
Considering AA is/was looking to generate revenue, they were proposing a far cheaper rate overall than the rates/charges at T5.

Interesting. I wonder what made EI decline. It would have made things much easier for connections.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
I wonder if they will have a new lounge there or use someone elses. Are there currently lounges in that Terminal?

What happened to the "new" EI lounge that was opened and operated in cooperation with LAN back at the start of the Noughties when the IAB was first rebuilt?

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 11):
For anyone like me with Global Entry, it's much easier to clear on arrival at JFK than to wait in the pre-clearance line at DUB, and for business class passengers it's annoying to have to leave the lounge early to go through immigration and then to the crowded gate area. At least at that hour the line shouldn't be too bad.

Im still amazed that they never built a smaller transatlantic lounge after preclearance when T2 was being built! Missed oppurtunity!
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 19):
Im still amazed that they never built a smaller transatlantic lounge after preclearance when T2 was being built! Missed oppurtunity!

Definitely. I've wondered the same thing. Then again, the line is usually so long that by the time I'm through preclearance my flight is boarding already!
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 1):
Now if they could just try and move in with UA at ORD and UA/B6 at BOS to eliminate the need to re-clear security for connections after landing from Ireland.

Seeing them move to Terminal C with B6 would not surprise me at all. UA is moving out next year, freeing up some space for them. Though I may have heard that Terminal C may not be able to hold an A330?

Either way, Massport is connecting Terminals C and E so that pax can connect airside from B6 to their int'l partners and their own int'l flights, so this will work here in BOS soon as well!
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RE: Aer Lingus To Move JFK Operations To T5

Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:37 pm

Perhaps they don't pre-clear some flights in order to accommodate connections to/from other points in Europe? It makes sense to pre clear only the flights with the highest volume of locally originating passengers.

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