Capt.Fantastic
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NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:56 pm

I noticed two Spirit flights today from LGA to FLL have equipment designated 734

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NKS705

Is this an error in the tracking system or are these aircraft being leased to add capacity?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Thread starter):
Is this an error in the tracking system or are these aircraft being leased to add capacity?



Most likely an error. Flightaware quite often has wild aircraft types shown on their site.
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:03 pm

It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs

Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:49 pm

I am curious, is it short of lift due to the increased summer schedule, planes undergoing C checks or unskd heavy mx?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):

I think it's all of the above. They have some a320s coming online soon. Also some a319s are starting to go. I know that n588nk went tech a few weeks ago so that contributed to it.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:19 pm

I have seen both the 757 and 734 at LGA recently. The 734 I saw on July 4 had Bahamasair titles.
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 6):
The 734 I saw on July 4 had Bahamasair titles.

Really?! Could this be a sign of something to come, or was it possibly on lease to Bahamasair previously?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

It also had the Xtra logo on the tail. I'm sure it was just an a/c that had been on previous lease to Bahamasair
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 8):

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

It also had the Xtra logo on the tail. I'm sure it was just an a/c that had been on previous lease to Bahamasair

That's what I thought.

BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:00 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS

So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Keeps your head spinning....  

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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Keeps your head spinning....  

I saw it a few months ago. At the time it was an ex-Alaska Air, owned by Xtra, operating for Direct Air into Myrtle Beach before going to Bahamasair and Spirit.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:40 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Which probably means that it has a more comfortable cabin then your regular - brand new NK aircraft....
  
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 12):

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
So a former Alaska 734, owned by XTRA, back from Bahamasair, and now operating for Spirit?

Which probably means that it has a more comfortable cabin then your regular - brand new NK aircraft....

Of course it is! Everything is! Riding a bike from LGA to FLL would be!   
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
I saw it a few months ago. At the time it was an ex-Alaska Air, owned by Xtra, operating for Direct Air into Myrtle Beach before going to Bahamasair and Spirit

So then I guess its safe to say UP ended its wetlease with Xtra? or maybe this aircraft is just used during downtime?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting fpofllflyboi (Reply 14):

So then I guess its safe to say UP ended its wetlease with Xtra? or maybe this aircraft is just used during downtime?

I'm guessing it is safe to say that they ended the wetlease. It was probably for the winter. I'd imagine that's their busiest season?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:35 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It's not an error. NK is going through a fleet shortage currently and have an Omni 757 and an Xtra Aorways 737-400 operating for them. Both are doing LGA-FLL runs

The Omni 757 has not come into LGA for some time now over a month I have not seen it. Xtra Airways seems be the first flight out and last flight in... with one turn in between.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
That's what I thought.

BTW, I believe the aircraft is N772AS

That is the correct reg for the said aircraft
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:26 pm

Does anyone know which Xtra Airways 734 (if any) now operates for Bahamasair out of Freeport?
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 17):
Does anyone know which Xtra Airways 734 (if any) now operates for Bahamasair out of Freeport?

It has to be either N279AD, N41XA, or N43XA.

Is it possible they have more than one because some of the turn they have here for the 734 are only about 30 minutes. Can they fuel up, offload, and reload and 737-400 in about 30 minutes?

[Edited 2012-07-12 09:22:44]

[Edited 2012-07-12 09:23:00]

Sorry for so many edits, but I answered my own question. They have 2.


[Edited 2012-07-12 09:24:03]
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:25 pm

Also, it shows N42XA operating out of FPO.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):
I'm guessing it is safe to say that they ended the wetlease. It was probably for the winter. I'd imagine that's their busiest season?

That and Bahamasair took delivery of another 735 late last month. Which could spell out they're ready to use their own equipment for the FPO-RDU/SDF/BWI/RIC flights.

So NK may see alot more Extra Airways equipment until they get their fleet back to normal ops. Say hello to added comfort.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting fpofllflyboi (Reply 20):
So NK may see alot more Extra Airways equipment until they get their fleet back to normal ops. Say hello to added comfort.

I really hope they start flying the 734s of the LGA-MYR route. I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible! Especially since I'm 6 feet tall. It's horrible and I would love to have something more comfortable!

I do think that we will see more Xtra Airways operating for Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s. They've already gotten rid of 6 or 7 a319s, which is a shame, given the interior room and seat pitch of the a320s.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible!

So why not fly another carrier?

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s

Where are they going to?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I do think that we will see more Xtra Airways operating for Spirit because they are dumping a319s faster than they are getting a320s. They've already gotten rid of 6 or 7 a319s, which is a shame, given the interior room and seat pitch of the a320s.

Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished, you can always take the little dash-8 on UA from EWR if NK is so Horrible.... Also the Xtra Airways interior shows 150 pax on the 734 rows 1-26 just like the A319   
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
I'm on that flight at least 6-7 times a year and it is horrible!

So why not fly another carrier?

Maybe because NK is the cheapest airline on virtually every route it flies, often even after fees?
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
So why not fly another carrier?

I can't afford to for the amount of times I travel.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 24):
Maybe because NK is the cheapest airline on virtually every route it flies, often even after fees?

  

Quoting santi319 (Reply 23):
Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished, you can always take the little dash-8 on UA from EWR if NK is so Horrible

On a typical day, UA is 2-300 dollars more than NK.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 22):
Where are they going to?

N501, 515, 519NK went to WindJet
N511NK went to TAME
N518NK went to Cyprus Airways
N520-521NK went to Mandala Airlines

Quoting santi319 (Reply 23):
Nobody is "dumping" the A319, they are getting refurbished

Unless the previously stated airlines are "refurbishing" them for Spirit, I don't think they are getting refurbished.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:48 pm

Just a nitpick, N772AS is the Xtra bird without the BHS titles on it. It's here twice a day in FLL.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:39 am

Quoting spiritair97:

"N501, 515, 519NK went to WindJet
N511NK went to TAME
N518NK went to Cyprus Airways
N520-521NK went to Mandala
Unless the previously stated airlines are "refurbishing" them for Spirit, I don't think they are getting refurbished."

These mentioned aircraft left in 2008. No 319s, 321s, nor any Spirit aircraft for that matter have left NKs fleet in the last four years, nor are there are plans return any until 2017. One or two of the 319s are going offlline a time for 2 to 3 weeks at a time to have their interiors refurbished.

[Edited 2012-07-12 17:43:16]
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 27):

What are they refurbishing? By that, I mean what are the changes being made?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:14 am

Seats are being replaced, I believe the 319s that are going to be in the fleet the longest and the 321s are getting the blue 320 seats as they save quite bit of weight. I'm guessing pitch won't decrease as they cannot put on more than 145 and 218 seats respectively because of emergency exit limitations. The 319s that are leaving sooner are just getting new grey leather seat covers and padding..
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:14 am

Is the horrid legroom staying the same?
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 18):

Is it possible they have more than one because some of the turn they have here for the 734 are only about 30 minutes. Can they fuel up, offload, and reload and 737-400 in about 30 minutes?

Yes. If US Airways can do it (as they do very regularly at DFW), then anyone can. The bins aren't too big & fueling is a relatively quick 395 - 415gpm --you can VTO a 734 in about nine minutes.
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 31):
Yes. If US Airways can do it (as they do very regularly at DFW), then anyone can. The bins aren't too big & fueling is a relatively quick 395 - 415gpm --you can VTO a 734 in about nine minutes.

I did not know any of that. Good to know and thanks for the info.
 
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:59 am

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 30):
Is the horrid legroom staying the same?

Pay for a BFS or Exit Row seat and you'll have more than enough room...

Quoting beechtobus (Reply 29):
Seats are being replaced, I believe the 319s that are going to be in the fleet the longest and the 321s are getting the blue 320 seats as they save quite bit of weight. I'm guessing pitch won't decrease as they cannot put on more than 145 and 218 seats respectively because of emergency exit limitations. The 319s that are leaving sooner are just getting new grey leather seat covers and padding..

The A319's are having their grey seats being refurbished (replacing leather and padding) to comply with FAA reg's...
Eventually plans are to replace all A319 seats to the same ones on the A320's

There are no plans to end the leases on the A319's until they start to expire between 2017 and 2021, but NK has already stated those A319's on lease (all) could be renewed/extended if operations dictate....

And the 145 seat limit and 218 limit is not because of emergency exit limitations but to how the aircraft was certified with the FAA, they could go up to 150 seats for A319 (if recertified) up to 180 seats on A320 and 220 on the A321...
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:12 am

And to help out the taller folks:

A319 (row and seats)
-BFS good leg room (rows 1 ACDF, 2 ACDF, 3 DF )
-row 4 ABC good leg room but armrests do not move.
-rows 5 DEF same as above row 4ABC
-rows 5 ABC, 6ABCDEF thru 10 ABCDEF (row 10 does not recline) provide 2 inches more legroom than rows aft of the wings (rows 12 to 25)
-row 11 exit row good leg room
rows 12 ABCDEF to 25 ABCDEF 2 inches less legroom than 5 thru 10
row 26 on the A319 has 3 inches less legroom than rows 5 thru 10 and the seats are 1/2 inch narrower.
all armrests on aisle seats rows 6 to 26 go up.
all seats recline and move except entire row 10

On A320

BFS good leg room (Row 1 ACDF)
row 2 ABCDEF armrests do not move but good leg room
rows 3 ABCDEF to 11 ABCDEF normal spacing
rows 12 ABCDEF to 13 ABCDEF are exit row seats good legroom
rows 14 ABCDEF to 30 ABCDEF normal spacing
armrest on aisle seats rows 3 to 30 go up.
seats only in row 1 recline and move all other seats are prereclined but do not move
** on the A320 due to the thinner seats and mess seat back pocket you actually have more room than on the A319 rows 12 thru 25 actually space is similar to rows 5 thru 9 on A319 slightly less

Hope this helps!!!

[Edited 2012-07-12 23:14:31]
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RE: NK Operating 737-400

Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting flyboynk (Reply 34):
BFS good leg room (Row 1 ACDF)

If only those "Big Leather Seats" weren't a $50 upgrade on a first come first serve type thing.